Which "sin" is greater?
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I know a lot of people here on this forum reject the 2nd example as a true narration of history, but for the sake of discussion, please give me your honest answer. Thank you.
Which sin is greater, when Noah responded back to God, doubting God's promise in regards to saving his family
1145 "My Lord, my son is from my family, and your promise is the truth, and you are the wisest of all judges."
1140"Carry in it a pair from each kind, and your family; execpt those against whom the word has been issued; and whoever has believed."
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When Lot was given wine by his daughters and was drunk which lead to incest...
Genesis
31 And the firstborn said to the younger, ?Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth. 32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.?Which one?
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Salaam prophet Abraham story is similar to prophet Noah remember when ALLAH said it is not "fitting" to pray for unbelievers? Well Noah asked for mercy for his unbelieving son which is PrAYer asking ALLAH for stuff.
Prophet lot.... Well that story is ....
Does it day anything about prophet Noah promising to pray for his son like prophet Abraham his father? I understand he may feel the responsibility to pray for his son but was there an oath?Also the timing ALLAH says in the Quran he reveals the book by stages and those histories are stages bronze age the great flood names to Mark out stages them a prophet or messenger reveals and teaches in those stages they are stage marks themselves.
I see the world as one big play some people's parts are cut out and each stage or period of time comes with a intermittion like when Jesus left there wasn't a prophet for a time lots of time for the viewers (the verse where ALLAH shows the angels the creation of man they were watching ALLAH said I know that which you know not but not sure if the verse says the command watch yet there are other verse saying travel through the earth and wait he and watch we too are watching) so angels are watching and understanding why ALLAH would create one who would shed blood on the earth.
Also surah al-saffat "would ye like to look down?"
Yeah our lives are witnessed. Which sin shows greater disregard for that? -
It is hard to judge something when you just find it unbelievble,which is what happen i my case with the bilbical lut's story. I do not believe it. Sounds totally invented.
Salaam
if drink should be avoid and considered as unfavorable then the bibal story of lot must be hoax, or interjected by some drunk priest or historian, lol
the message to humankind about basic concepts are always same through out adam till muhammad,
pork is also forbidden in bible, and if true christian read the testament in which pork is forbidden he/she should avoid it at first place, about alcohol i consider not in the list of haram but not favorable as well , we should try to avoid it and i beleive all prophets were also aware about it, nowhere in quran i find any prohphet consume alcohol .
peace
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People, I appreciate your responses, but I see that it is being danced around from a direct answer. I do not mind explanations/examples but please state your position with a conclusive note irregardless of believing the story of Lot in the bible is true or false, which one...Noah's or Lot's? Thank you.
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i dnnt remember any prophet did sin , apart from mistakes which were already corrected by them. peace
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I know a lot of people here on this forum reject the 2nd example as a true narration of history, but for the sake of discussion, please give me your honest answer. Thank you.
Which sin is greater, when Noah responded back to God, doubting God's promise in regards to saving his family
1145 "My Lord, my son is from my family, and your promise is the truth, and you are the wisest of all judges."
1140"Carry in it a pair from each kind, and your family; execpt those against whom the word has been issued; and whoever has believed."
or...
When Lot was given wine by his daughters and was drunk which lead to incest...
Genesis
31 And the firstborn said to the younger, ?Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth. 32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve offspring from our father.?Which one?
Doubt is a part of the human experience. We shouldn't believe blindly. So if we're accepting that both events actually happened, then I would say Lot's sin is greater (although it doesn't say in the verses you provided that Lot committed incest, it just says his daughters were plotting against him).
Peace.
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Doubt is a part of the human experience. We shouldn't believe blindly. So if we're accepting that both events actually happened, then I would say Lot's sin is greater (although it doesn't say in the verses you provided that Lot committed incest, it just says his daughters were plotting against him).
Peace.
Thank you comrox for your answer, that was my mistake, to add more context to the verses I listed above...
35 So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. 36 Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father.
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Thank you comrox for your answer, that was my mistake, to add more context to the verses I listed above...
35 So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. 36 Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father.
You're welcome and got it. ) Thanks for adding that extra verse.
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It is hard to judge something when you just find it unbelievble,which is what happen i my case with the bilbical lut's story. I do not believe it. Sounds totally invented.
Salaam
Peace Huruf,
Why would you find it to be unbelievable? The idea that a prophet was involved in such an act? Incest is still currently occurring till this day. I would find Moses miracle parting the sea unbelievable, but I have faith in it that it occurred.
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Salman sorry the second is worst I just didn't want to answer first. I got shy man sorry. Lol
Peace Fye,
No, no problem at all. I appreciate you coming back and stating your answer.
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No I didn't answer first come on. Lol
Also I don't believe in miracles yeah the bible has lots if stories if men parting water's with holy objects like prophet Elijah walking with prophet elias. Read about them they are bad a$$. It's always a science or the event could not exist. Particules and atoms moving do to some chemical reaction or some physics like the moving statues or Bobbleheads.
These sins happen and are really believeable because remember Allah's promise to prophet Abraham? Some of the quranic knowledge was simply not written but known like don't lie with your father something in comminsense tells you not to.
I'll post something too but all miracles are science like Solomon's carpet... Hang glider. It used the wind he rode the wind. It was fabric that caught air to ride the wind it's speed probably checks out two like a plane ride compared to a bike ride
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miracles are advance form of scienctifc laws and controlling on these laws , most probably the laws that cannot applied or acquire from this dimenshn of universe in which we are living.
miracle is something impossible for human mind to understand the science behind it,
growing oof grass, sunlight, moon, fruits, animals , woods, all are miracles /marvels of God for this dimenshn .but for us its normal way of natural phenoomenon so we dnt pay heed.these are not less than miracles, atleast no human or jinn can made anything from them out of nothing. is there is any god with God
4312 And He is the One who has created all the pairs, and He made for
you of the ships and the livestock that which you can ride.
4313 So that you may settle on their backs; then recall the blessing of
your Lord once you have settled on them, and say ?Glory to the
One who has committed this for us, and we could not have done
so by ourselves.?
4314 ?And we will ultimately return to our Lord.?peace
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Salam, I don't see how Nuh sinned by asking Allah about why his son wasn't saved. He didn't ask in an angry way, but in a confused/sad type of way. He probably believed that his son was a believer this whole time.
Peace Spodacus,
You are absolutely right, he did not ask in an angry way. Would you consider disbelieving in a direct promise of God to be sinful? If so, then that is what happened and Noah did sin. This is why Noah recognized his fault and sought forgiveness, and stated...
1147 He said, "My Lord, I seek refuge with You from asking You what I do not have knowledge of. And if You do not forgive me and have mercy on me, I will be of the losers!"
