Fasting in North Pole
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Yes, they should fast 24/7 for a month, although I suppose they would be dead within a few days due to dehydration, since the sun does not set. And from this you can measure the rationality of Islam's doctrine.
Be well
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That's what it seems, and perhaps it is unreasonable to claim these rituals from Allah.
Did you not note how God puts forth the example that a good word is like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches are in the sky. It bears its fruit every so often with the permission of its Lord; and God puts forth the examples for the people, perhaps they will remember. And the example of a bad word is like a tree which has been uprooted from the surface of the earth, it has nowhere to settle. God makes firm those who believe with firm sayings in the worldly life, and in the Hereafter. And God misguides the wicked, and God does what He wishes.
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peace Fritz,
You may find it more helpful to ignore Man of Faith's reckless reply.
Shouldn't it be 24 hours or one month of fasting non-stop?
If you want an answer from Quran, please see
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605500.msg331717#msg331717Is there any Maghrib, Isha and Fajr prayers?
Are you aware that the only salat verse with plural audience address AND timings is 2458, and in this verse there is no reference to the sun? In other words, the implication is a morning and evening salat/bond/affirmation, whenever one's morning/evening would be. References
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htm
Is it also a coincidence that we see the same pattern with SaBiH/glorify
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.htmlThat's what it seems, and perhaps it is unreasonable to claim these rituals from Allah.
Let us know after pondering over the above information.
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Peace Wakas
Are you aware that the only salat verse with plural audience address AND timings is 2458, and in this verse there is no reference to the sun? In other words, the implication is a morning and evening salat/bond/affirmation, whenever one's morning/evening would be. References
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htm
Is it also a coincidence that we see the same pattern with SaBiH/glorify
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.htmlI've visited the above link and this is your conclusion.
If you read everything above (including the links) several times, the concept of salat should be much much clearer.
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htmConclusion
SBH/glorification of God can come in different forms, including expression through actions and verbally. If timed-SBH is taken as timed-salat then it is a minimum of twice daily (references one, two, three), with an optional night vigil which the messenger likely undertook regularly . If the messenger opted to SBH/glorify more than others, then the individual is also free to do the same.
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.htmlDoes it mean that it is not certain whether Salat is a ritual?
good word is like a good tree, whose root is firm
Thank you
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Impossible to answer. You will first have to define what you mean by "ritual".
ritual
a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order.a prescribed order for performing a ritual ceremony, especially one characteristic of a particular religion or Church.
a series of actions or type of behaviour regularly and invariably followed by someone.
synonyms ceremony, rite, ceremonial, observance
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perhaps this one..
a prescribed order for performing a ritual ceremony, especially one characteristic of a particular religion or Church.
behaviour that evidencing dogmatism, circular reasoning and mental trap, and cannot be justified through cause and effect.
The example of a bad word is like a tree which has been uprooted from the surface of the earth, it has nowhere to settle.
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What kind of words do you expect, Fritz?
Holding a particular item divine is idolatry, be it a building in the desert somewhere or a miniature statue of Baal. That is attributing such power to dead matter. It is basically what Pagans have done for millennia.
Be well
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Fritz,
I have posted a question about the same matter.
It's not just about what Salat is or is not. Like you say, it has to do with fasting, or rather about the light of the sky.
To me, the current traditional system does not work for the whole planet/world.Peace
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Zulf,
And thus the whole system fails because it is claimed as a universal one, like the god that is not prepared for all scenarios. Even in Sweden you would have to fast 24/7 by some school of thought within Islam since it is never dark during this time of year, there is light around the clock. You would die within days of such a fast of you were to be Orthodox.
Be well
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Peace Zul.
It is like asking how can someone practice rituals in another planet( In the future?) where there is no day or night.
Basically in extreme places ,one cannot, therefore they do not. Qoran allows you to "do the best you can" according to the situation you find yourself in.
GOD bless you.
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Very apologetic.
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Did you not note how God puts forth the example that a good word is like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches are in the sky. It bears its fruit every so often with the permission of its Lord; and God puts forth the examples for the people, perhaps they will remember. And the example of a bad word is like a tree which has been uprooted from the surface of the earth, it has nowhere to settle. God makes firm those who believe with firm sayings in the worldly life, and in the Hereafter. And God misguides the wicked, and God does what He wishes.
I believe this is the main issue. If it is proven to be inconsistent with other verses and scientific facts, it is wrong, it is undecided, it is unknown, can Salat be treated as a bad principle and the practice of the wicked? Why should Allah punish for denying bad principle?
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2184 A few number of days. Whoever of you is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days; and as for those who can do so but with difficulty, they may redeem by feeding the needy. And whoever does good voluntarily, then it is better for him. And if you fast it is better for you if only you knew.
2185 The month of Ramadhan, in which the Qur?an was sent down, as a guide to the people and as clarifications of the guidance and the criterion. Those of you who witness the month shall fast therein; and whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and magnify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.
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perhaps this one..
a prescribed order for performing a ritual ceremony, especially one characteristic of a particular religion or Church.
Perhaps yes, perhaps no.
Unfortunately the chosen definition of "ritual" contains the word "ritual", and "religion" which makes it a potentially "loaded question".
behaviour that evidencing dogmatism, circular reasoning and mental trap, and cannot be justified through cause and effect.
If you are referring to Quranic salat, then unlikely (see my previous article).
If you are referring to the Traditional Muslim prayer as salat, then possibly.
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Perhaps yes, perhaps no.
Unfortunately the chosen definition of "ritual" contains the word "ritual", and "religion" which makes it a potentially "loaded question".
It is the condition for becoming a Muslim, the five pillars (ritual) of Islam (religion).
If you are referring to the Traditional Muslim prayer as salat, then possibly.
Yes
Is there any Maghrib, Isha and Fajr prayers?
Peace
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There are many issues with the traditional rituals or pillars of Islam.Some of them with reference to fasting may be
The traditional translations say like this "whoever among you witness al-shahr so let him fast in it. But there is no "in" in the verse. It is more likely as "whoever among you witness al-shahr so let him yasum it". Why "in" has to be inserted in translations?
I guess moon still appears in polar regions. So if one can see moon how he cannot witness al-shahr provided al-shahr means new or full moon.
The purpose of Saum is i.e may be you can do taqwa. Why muslim have not become muttaqi despite of the fact that every year fasting is practiced? Why prices of essential commodities go high during this month? Why people start skipping their jobs or their efficiency becomes lowest despite the fact that fasting is supposed to be beneficial.
These are few to mention. I feel it very difficult to find basis for these rituals in Quran.
Peace
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O Children of Israel, remember My blessings that I had blessed you with, and fulfill your pledge to Me that I may fulfill My pledge to you, and reverence Me alone. And believe in what I have sent down, affirming what is with you, and do not be the first to disbelieve in it! And do not purchase with My revelations a cheap gain, and of Me you shall be aware. And do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor keep the truth secret while you know. And hold the contact prayer, and contribute towards purification, and kneel with those who kneel. Do you exhort the people to do good, but forget yourselves, while you are reciting the Book? Do you not comprehend? And seek help through patience and through the contact prayer. It is a difficult thing, but not so for the humble. The ones who conceive that they will meet their Lord and that to Him they will return.
I believe this is not a religious ritual, but about soul's integrity.
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In its basic form, a "ritual" is simply a regular observance, and one that does not refer to a necessity, e.g. eating. The most common use of the word today is associated with religion
Some people brush their teeth and floss daily, in a set manner, and this could be classed as a "ritual".
"Rituals" are not bad per se.
For us, the key point is if a "ritual" is grounded in reality, i.e. there is evidence/reasoning behind it. And if we are talking Quran based islam, then evidence/reasoning from Quran.
A question to ask if examining "rituals" as per Quran
Does the so-called "ritual" result in what it says will happen?If it doesn't then its possible your understanding of that practice is incorrect, or your application is, or both.
Now, a minority claim "rituals" do not exist in Quran but the evidence/reasoning is frequently poor. For example "salat", commonly taken to mean "Traditional Muslim prayer", non-ritualists will point out the flaws with it as per Quran (quite rightly), but then incorrectly conclude "hey that means no regular/timed observance exists, regardless of the meaning of salat". A classic example of "throwing the baby out with the bath water".
This phrase points out a logical fallacy. The assumption is that if something is bad and it belongs to a group, then everything in that group must be bad. A related expression might be that ?one bad apple spoils the bunch.? When applied to this example, the phrase would express the idea that discarding all of the apples would waste any good apples that were in the bunch.
Not only this, they are forced into re-interpreting many verses, which invariably involve throwing cross-reference/logic/grammar in the bin.
Since this is an error in reasoning and bias, it is often fruitless to discuss with such a person due to their faulty reasoning/bias. Generally speaking, correcting an incorrect fact is easier than getting a person to think correctly and eliminate bias.
