What is Al-Qadar ?
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That was the later part;first part; how you relate Arabic words with the English words you have put thereunder?
Truly, Haven?t I accommodated, given refuge, fed and nourished you well
Peace brother, this is what you ask for previously. Now coming to this part is combination of and meaning verily or truly, I. This is followed by , then meaning settled, abide/accommodated, asylum/refuge. Finally meaning fed and nourished you well.
Badar
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Peace brother. Neither, I am inventing Language of AlKitab nor, I claim it be my mother tounge. I am just passing on the information written and available to everyone who wants to know. Here is link to lane's relavant page where he is translating phrase as "he fed him, or nourished him, well.
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000005.pdf
Badar
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Surah 97 2
And what grievous calamity befell you, despite knowing that you do show off and indulge in hypocrisy; and become integrated and associated with servants of certain idols. The sufficient for you is the standard and banner from me.
Isnt it hallucination?
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It is up to every individual; either to continue to live in his/her delusional and hallucination state or pay heed to "Hasten you, to my standard and banner. In it you will find repair of your short comings. Easily visible and shining, like a full moon, is my standard and banner".
Badar
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Surah 97 2
And what grievous calamity befell you, despite knowing that you do show off and indulge in hypocrisy; and become integrated and associated with servants of certain idols. The sufficient for you is the standard and banner from me.
What I meant was that these two texts are different from each other. If we consider that English sentences are exactly equivalent of Arabic statement, would it not be halluciation if we think we are reading an Arabic statement.
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What I said was that Statement in English is independent of the Statement in Arabic placed above the English one. If you think both are the same, then please try to convert the Statement in English into Arabic to know whether or not it is delusionary/hulicination with reference to the Arabic Statement.
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Brother, don't bring cookbook translations. Instead please bring your own understanding from Arabic, with explanations and break down; like I did for the1st verse. I promise, I will do the same for the people to decide what is hallucinational? and what is not.
Badar
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Brother, don't bring cookbook translations. Instead please bring your own understanding from Arabic, with explanations and break down; like I did for the1st verse. I promise, I will do the same for the people to decide what is hallucinational? and what is not.
Badar
Allah said, "You both do not go near that particular female tree".
Iblees said to both two as well as individually to Adam that this restriction is lest by eating fruit of this tree you both become rulers of kindom never to decay or become perpetually living.
The above, if one persists is the translation of Arabic words placed above it, is exactly how Iblees interprets Allah's Aa'ya'at. He creates for his enemies fascinations and for his friends and brothers he creates delusions with such inspirational translations.
Take care you are acting under direct command of Iblees and all your translations are Satanic having no relation to the Arabic words which you put on above your text.
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Points to ponder
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Do we really think that we have it all correct and there is no problem at all, understanding the verses of our Creator without any doubt?
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Have we not made QurAan totally dependent on stories, history, narrations of traditions, right or wrong, and claim that the text of the book cannot be understood , till we are well versed in all of the above. Does it mean that God has done a less than ideal work for us to understand the real message?
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Should we not think, then logically, that when the message of QurAan, was being transcribed by the scribes, in the prevalent writing technique of that time, they must have been following a set of rules of writing, prevalent at that time, to avoid confusion. These rules have later become to be known as rules of grammar of the classical arabic and the lexical rules of the classic, old arabic. This fact is true for all present as well as arciveve languages which ever existed or exist in the world.
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Do we have these rules well preserved in Arabic and subsequently translated by other scholars in other languages? Of note are the marvelous translation work of these rules with great authors like William Wright and Edward Lanes. These books are not their own mind creations, but only a great piece of translation of these rules, written by great Arabic scholars from long time ago, done then to preserve the original meaning, as language was changing at the most rapid rate ever witnessed by any other language because of a very fast spread of the message across the globe, where the language was not even known.
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Has anyone ever attempted to apply these rules in the understanding of the literal meaning of the words while attempting to translate this great message? If this was done correctly, I believe that Gods message would not be dependent on later written history books and books of traditions in order for it to be understood.
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I have seen on this forum, a recent attempt by few brothers and sisters to bring our attention to this very fundamental principle of at least looking at all the words, letters and signs used in the QurAan, to atleast see, if it makes a logical sense and to see, if we can understand the Book without the aid of the history and tradition books. If all words are explainable using the understanding of of these grammar and lexical rules, as explained in these scolarly works, then why do we resist so much even considering it?
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I have looked at many of these words, based on the principles of Gezm, teshdeed, Feth, kesra, dumma, consonant, particles and other rules, as first introduced to me on this forum, as holding true, each time I have tried to verify them from these online available books.
These are not only verifiable by those books, but the meaning each time I see, becomes exremely magnanomous. I understand that magnanimity is not the only criteria, but if it holds all gounds of the principles of grammar and lexicology and becomes more profound as well, then what are the chances, that this may be the only way to correct our understanding? I dont think that we should be ashamed at accepting a fact, if it turns out to be true.
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To derclare this methodolgy at making an honest attemt, at the least, at understanding the message, as satanic and halucination, without making a full attempt of atleast looking at it in an unbiased manner, is probably not the best way especially if we believe that there is still room to understand the message better. We cannot make any change in any thing in the QurAan but we can atleast ty to verify and exhaust all the resource to make sure that we are not making any mistake in understanding the word of God. If we had it understood it all correct, we would not have been in this pathetic state in the league of nations, but would have been leading it, as we once did before.
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By calling it wrong or satanic, by jusy doubting the sincerity and without proving it by solid reasoning, as wrong, dont we stand a chance of actually calling QurAanic verses as wrong, if those may turn out to be the actual meanings?
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We as humans, have a tendency to stick to the traditions of our forefathers, and believing in the correctness of our own set of belief systems. It is this barrier which was broken by the companions of the Prophet(S) and by all those who have had any positive impact on the society or in any dicipline of scientific growth. This is the truth, wether we like it or not.
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Can we not look at people without contempt and doubt their sincererity from the very outset, as he or she may be saying the truth. This is the way of the progreesive nations and was the way of the Prophets as well, otherwise we would all be stuck with no positive change in this society ever. Anyone can be right, unless proven not to be. This takes a process of honest verification by others as well, once any theory is presented. We see this to be the method in all diciplines. The verification process by other students, either proves or disproves the theory, but they all have to have valid ground to support or disprove any theory. Calling it just wrong does not make it wrong.
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No body in the modern world call people name, but prove them right or wrong by using solid arguements, with a willingness to give up their understanding if they later find themselves to be the erring party. This is true in all diciplins of education and logic. QurAan after all, is the biggest source of education for the entire humanity.
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May God keep our hearts unsealed, our ears and eyes open, as He Himsellf tells us that in order for us to comprehend the knowledge, we need to keep it unsealed and open, in a manner that we can differntiate between good and bad and right and wrong without making mistakes if possible. If we dont do that we stand a chance of insisting on our mistakes to be right. I am not suggesting as to who is right or who is wrong, but I only request and pray to use this as the guiding prnciple before accepting or rejecting anything in any matter. We will save ourelves a lot of hearaches that way.
Peace to all.
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