Are you happy with the life you lead?
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Salaam,
we exist as economic slaves, forced to toil endlessly for our hidden (Jinn) sovereign masters, no time to spend with our family and friends, no time to develop ourselves, happiness is a fleeting instant when the clock ticks onto the last second of your days work.
We are establishing a group of Qur'anic Muslims, to re-establish community, based on the foundations of the Qur'an, free of religion, free of blind faith, free of dogma, free of ritual, free of taxation, free of sovereign conformity and subjugation.
We wish to combine our efforts, buy a derelict farm, and work as a group of families to establish both a close community and viable working community business, to sustain ourselves, to expand and develop skills, knowledge and transform within, and to attempt to do the same for those around us.
If this is an idea that would be of interest to you, and you live or would move to the UK, we are having a meeting in Newcastle on Sunday the 27th of September 2009, please get in touch and we can move forward with this purpose, thank you.
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Salaam,
we exist as economic slaves, forced to toil endlessly for our hidden (Jinn) sovereign masters, no time to spend with our family and friends, no time to develop ourselves, happiness is a fleeting instant when the clock ticks onto the last second of your days work.
We are establishing a group of Qur'anic Muslims, to re-establish community, based on the foundations of the Qur'an, free of religion, free of blind faith, free of dogma, free of ritual, free of taxation, free of sovereign conformity and subjugation.
We wish to combine our efforts, buy a derelict farm, and work as a group of families to establish both a close community and viable working community business, to sustain ourselves, to expand and develop skills, knowledge and transform within, and to attempt to do the same for those around us.
If this is an idea that would be of interest to you, and you live or would move to the UK, we are having a meeting in Newcastle on Sunday the 27th of September 2009, please get in touch and we can move forward with this purpose, thank you.Peace,
Respectfully.We live in the 21st., century and we need to rebel against the evil government, if such an organisation truly exists. Oh, yeah, it does.
Now, what i have read from the post above, we shouldn't distance ourselves and create another barrier among many in the already existing world of barriers.
On the contrary, we should seek a way to combine this society, to unite the world, we need to remove the barriers, like EU has been created, by removing the borders so that we can now be friends and real brothers and sisters.French and Germans use to fight each other but that was a 1945 way of talking and solving problems.
It's 2009 and French and Germans sit at the same table to talk. Using Logic, Common Sense right from the cerebral cortex unlike their grandfathers from 1945 who used UZI-9mm or AK-47.We should not distance ourselves from this society and live somewhere outthere. We should get involved into politics and let them hear our voice.
Messenger/prophet Moses didn't just run away. He first confronted pharaoh and tried to reason with him. When this failed, because pharaoh was pharaoh and stupid, he had to remove himself.
In our case, we can become mayors, governors, we can become presidents and change things, things that need to be changed, before we all go into The Abyss of destruction. God forbid.
I believe that if Muslims become senators - i'm speaking for USA here - then one day, these Muslims - not sunnis! - can run for office. Yes, the one in The White House! Then and there, such a Muslim can make USA truly the best country.
Same goes for UK, Slovenia, Venezuela and/or Japan. Or/and any other country.
Let's unite.
Let's get involved into politics.
I think this is the time for it.
God knows best.
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Salaam Alen,
you cannot take your enemies as friends, as you'd wish, this results in what we see happening around the world, it is not the general populations, but the very people you wish to become, the sovereign powered individuals, such as the mayors, presidents, senators, judges, etc. as a Muslim can have no sovereign, explain your logic.
If you investigate the first and second world war, it was never the general population fighting each other, it was the manipulation of the sovereigns, upon the populations, people will live as a general rule, in peace without sovereign influence.
I am not as you infer, wishing to isolate myself or anyone else, I wish to live as I have expressed, with the application of the systems explained in the Qur'an, and reject your modern 21st century usury systems, political systems, legal systems, ownership systems, social systems, as they all stand in conflict with the Qur'anic systems.
You think you can reform the existing systems when they are fundamentally at odds with freedom, justice and development, democracy is a lie, you think President G W Bush won his first election, or was it fraud?
The reformer mind set, perpetuates slavery, you can never reform a criminal cabal, its like saying if a Muslim was to run the Triad's of China, they wouldn't be bad any more, do you think a Muslim could perform these jobs and remain a Muslim?
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French and Germans use to fight each other but that was a 1945 way of talking and solving problems.
It's 2009 and French and Germans sit at the same table to talk. Using Logic, Common Sense right from the cerebral cortex unlike their grandfathers from 1945 who used UZI-9mm or AK-47.uzi was put into service in 1950 and AK-47 was put into service in 1949
Just to let you know. peace
We should not distance ourselves from this society and live somewhere outthere. We should get involved into politics and let them hear our voice.
In our case, we can become mayors, governors, we can become presidents and change things, things that need to be changed, before we all go into The Abyss of destruction. God forbid.
I agree with those points.
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Salaam,
how can a criminal cabal, be reformed into something new by those under its subjugation, do you really think the sovereigns will give up their control and wealth?
Do you think you can become President of America, just examine who has become president in the past, Bush and then his mentally slow son, Clinton then his homicidal wife, who will take over when they kill Obama, this is a criminal cabal, not a democracy, I am not saying you isolate yourself, I'm saying you establish the correct community model and demonstrate physically how to live to those around you.
This is the only way to change the subjugation of others, show them a different way, to think you can reform the existing systems is delusional, they will exterminate the majority of the worlds population before humanity will understand the misery these parasites manifest, its a sad fact people are mentally enslaved and can see no other systems, they refuse to impliment the Qur'anic systems and will ultimately be exterminated by the very sovereigns they worship so fearfully.
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peace all
first of all, great topic, thanks for starting it
i'm not happy with this system i'm forced to live in and would love to change it or contribute to changing it.In our case, we can become mayors, governors, we can become presidents and change things, things that need to be changed, before we all go into The Abyss of destruction. God forbid.
I believe that if Muslims become senators - i'm speaking for USA here - then one day, these Muslims - not sunnis! - can run for office. Yes, the one in The White House! Then and there, such a Muslim can make USA truly the best country.
Same goes for UK, Slovenia, Venezuela and/or Japan. Or/and any other country.as history has thought us anything is that PRESIDENTS ARE NOT THERE TO CHANGE THINGS BUT TO KEEP THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE! politics is not there for the benefit of people, it is there for the opposite, they are there to enslave the world, to control the world for a benefir of the few, the elite, the corrupted ones.
and if there is any truth in this video http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9hsBHKoHA&feature=PlayList&p=E29E92D997EB9E3D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5the only way for anyone to become president of them usa is to worship an owl.
I am not as you infer, wishing to isolate myself or anyone else, I wish to live as I have expressed, with the application of the systems explained in the Qur'an, and reject your modern 21st century usury systems, political systems, legal systems, ownership systems, social systems, as they all stand in conflict with the Qur'anic systems.
the closest thing i have seen to quranic system is the venus project http//www.thevenusproject.com/
it would be a difficult task to remove money, politics, governments... but i think as soon as people realize that they need us more then we need them, we'll be on our way. majority of people are not aware of alternative systems so they can't push for one, it's because of their propaganda they scare us into thinking we need them, we need money, we need politicians to make laws for us... when have they ever done anything that we need, all they do is make up laws and rules that are of no relevance to anything.they corrupt us through educational system to keep us dumb and in line, that's why we need to irst become informed about them and alternatives. there are many ways things could inprove, we can have food, power, resources for free, yes there is enough for everyone. only thing that stands in the way is money, it's because of money they don't want everyone to have more, or better things, lives, it's because of money that poverty exists.
the way things are going with this recession, and in general, people will slowly start to lose faith in the system, it would help to speed up the process if we put as much info as possible out there. but when you think about it, look at all the things politicians say, promissing better things, and there has never been anything better, it's either the same or worse, that's why i don't even vote, it doesn't really matter who wins, they will be ruining my life either way.
and people are starting to wake up, they can clearly see what the pharaohs of today are doing, if only they stood up together againt them, not one by one, there could be a revolution. because they need us, and there is more of us, without us they have nothing.we don't need to get into politics, we need to get into resources. think about it. if we'd just get a hold of resources, like growing foods, produse solar panels (or geothermal plants, and other free power harnesing decvices... and on a massive scale),... we could make food, electricity and other things and just GIVE them away, since there would be abundance. there would be no need for money.
it's hard to do this... but not impossible. we'd just have to pull in the same direction at the same time.
peter joseph started something amazing, it has quite the following, not that he is a leader in any way, but the zeitgeist movement is the next step, http//www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/
we need to be aware of the truth behind politics, be aware of alternatives, and take action of course.and since we unfortunatly still live in this monotary system, we should use it for our benefit. get into businesses that have potential for large profits, like media, movies, music, real estate... then starting up companies, branching out globally... and invest all that money for good of course, for producing beneficial things, clean efficiant power, automation, food growing...
i have somewhat wild ideas, but i think it's doable...
it'd be nice to hear other ideas as well -
the only way for anyone to become president of them usa is to worship an owl.
??? I don't understand. confused
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Salaam Alen,
you cannot take your enemies as friends, as you'd wish, this results in what we see happening around the world, it is not the general populations, but the very people you wish to become, the sovereign powered individuals, such as the mayors, presidents, senators, judges, etc. as a Muslim can have no sovereign, explain your logic.
If you investigate the first and second world war, it was never the general population fighting each other, it was the manipulation of the sovereigns, upon the populations, people will live as a general rule, in peace without sovereign influence.
I am not as you infer, wishing to isolate myself or anyone else, I wish to live as I have expressed, with the application of the systems explained in the Qur'an, and reject your modern 21st century usury systems, political systems, legal systems, ownership systems, social systems, as they all stand in conflict with the Qur'anic systems.
You think you can reform the existing systems when they are fundamentally at odds with freedom, justice and development, democracy is a lie, you think President G W Bush won his first election, or was it fraud?
The reformer mind set, perpetuates slavery, you can never reform a criminal cabal, its like saying if a Muslim was to run the Triad's of China, they wouldn't be bad any more, do you think a Muslim could perform these jobs and remain a Muslim?Peace,
Respectfully.Well, then we aparently differ i believe that reforming is possible because i believe in God and if God wants to guide someone, He will, all i need to do is to be an example here and every sunday i go to the Hyde Park's Speaker's Corner where i speak to one of two nonMuslims about Real Islam, the Real Islam, not the thing which sunnis pretend is Islam.
Trust me, so far, i have run into several Christians who actually told me that what i practice/profess/do/believe makes sense and is logical and what they heard and saw was cookoo and identical to logic of the road runner. (poor coyote still hasn't been able to catch that freakin' bird!)
Therefore, reform is possible and the only question now is this will we reform now or should we leave that to our kids and transfer it down the generation until the year 2101 comes and our great....grand kids say"Whatta Hell ....?"
Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.Well, then we aparently differ i believe that reforming is possible because i believe in God and if God wants to guide someone, He will, all i need to do is to be an example here and every sunday i go to the Hyde Park's Speaker's Corner where i speak to one of two nonMuslims about Real Islam, the Real Islam, not the thing which sunnis pretend is Islam.
Trust me, so far, i have run into several Christians who actually told me that what i practice/profess/do/believe makes sense and is logical and what they heard and saw was cookoo and identical to logic of the road runner. (poor coyote still hasn't been able to catch that freakin' bird!)
Therefore, reform is possible and the only question now is this will we reform now or should we leave that to our kids and transfer it down the generation until the year 2101 comes and our great....grand kids say"Whatta Hell ....?"
Peace.
bravo bravo Well said!
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Salaam,
yes reform, the great Christian dogma, unfortunately we are not talking about making a Christian use reason, we are talking about the basic concepts of society, and no amount of reform will alter a sovereign system, only the replacement of a sovereign system for an alloidal system would achieve and maintain true freedom. (The replacement of the Albion for the English sovereign model was established by William the Bastard (Conqueror) under the intimidation of the Roman Catholic Church - A sovereign ownership model exported worldwide today)
Much the same as the Christian Usury system we suffer today (established by the Roman Catholics by the formation of the Bank of England, by the Knights Templar - A model exported worldwide today), can not be reformed, only the replacement of this usury system with the Islamic monetary system achieved through the understanding of ownership, will establish and maintain freedom.
Much the same as the political system we suffer today, based on a feudal model, and blanketed under the lie of democracy, can not be reformed, only the establishment of a Tribal Hildage, sovereignty free, would establish and maintain freedom.
Much the same as the legal system we suffer today, based not on the law of humanity but of corporations and admiralty, making a person a commodity, can not be reformed, only the establishment of the law of the concepts and principles of true freedom and equity as expressed conceptually within the Qur'an, not Hadith, or borrowed Christian / Jewish texts laws, would establish and maintain freedom. (Our legal system was established by the Roman Catholic Church, by the Knights Templar - A model exported worldwide today)
I could continue.
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/9/30/
If you would like to read the details of these Qur'anic models, here's the link -
you are still young but Ay i dont know about her.
Read this.
http//www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_bohemiangrove01.htmOMG! surprising! o o
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Salaam,
yes reform, the great Christian dogma, unfortunately we are not talking about making a Christian use reason, we are talking about the basic concepts of society, and no amount of reform will alter a sovereign system, only the replacement of a sovereign system for an alloidal system would achieve and maintain true freedom. (The replacement of the Albion for the English sovereign model was established by William the Bastard (Conqueror) under the intimidation of the Roman Catholic Church - A sovereign ownership model exported worldwide today)
Much the same as the Christian Usury system we suffer today (established by the Roman Catholics by the formation of the Bank of England, by the Knights Templar - A model exported worldwide today), can not be reformed, only the replacement of this usury system with the Islamic monetary system achieved through the understanding of ownership, will establish and maintain freedom.
Much the same as the political system we suffer today, based on a feudal model, and blanketed under the lie of democracy, can not be reformed, only the establishment of a Tribal Hildage, sovereignty free, would establish and maintain freedom.
Much the same as the legal system we suffer today, based not on the law of humanity but of corporations and admiralty, making a person a commodity, can not be reformed, only the establishment of the law of the concepts and principles of true freedom and equity as expressed conceptually within the Qur'an, not Hadith, or borrowed Christian / Jewish texts laws, would establish and maintain freedom. (Our legal system was established by the Roman Catholic Church, by the Knights Templar - A model exported worldwide today)
I could continue.
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/9/30/
If you would like to read the details of these Qur'anic models, here's the linkPeace,
I had a chance to look at your website and read some essays. Your logic makes sense. I wish there was some way all Muslims could arrange for a meetup. That way we could have a chance to talk and figure out ways to get the ball rolling on the God alone movement. God promises victory to the believers!
God Bless!