Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Bro Ayman,
Regarding some of the idiotic comments made by the slanderer, 981 refers to the battle of Tabuq to which the Prophet led an expedition in October.
In that year there was a drought, abnormal heat, and famine, this is well documented...
since some of these who post here will only believe "infallible" muslim scholars, this is what Ibn Kathir Tafsir says about itdeep breath
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981 Those who stayed away (from Tabuk expedition) rejoiced in their staying behind the Messenger of
All?h; they hated to strive and fight with their properties and their lives in the Cause of All?h, and
they said "March not forth in the heat." Say "The Fire of Hell is more intense in heat", if only they
could understand!9117 All?h has forgiven the Prophet (SAW), the Muhajir?n (Muslim emigrants who left their homes and
came to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (Muslims of Al-Madinah) who followed him (Muhammad SAW) in
the time of distress (Tab?k expedition, etc.), after the hearts of a party of them had nearly deviated
(from the Right Path), but He accepted their repentance. Certainly, He is unto them full of Kindness,
Most Merciful.9118 And (He did forgive also) the three left (i.e. he did not give his judgement in their case, and their case was suspended for All?h's
Decision) till for them the earth, vast as it is, was straitened and their ownselves were straitened to
them, and they perceived that there is no fleeing from All?h, and no refuge but with Him. Then, He
accepted their repentance, that they might repent (unto Him). Verily, All?h is the One Who accepts
repentance, Most Merciful.Battle of Tabuk
Mujahid and several others said, "This Ayah was revealed concerning the battle of Tabuk.
They left for that battle during a period of distress.
It was a year with little rain, intense heat and scarcity of supplies and water.''
Qatadah said, "They went to Ash-Sham during the year of the battle of Tabuk at a time when the heat was intense.
Allah knew how hard things were, and they suffered great hardship. We were told that two men used to divide a date between themselves. Some of them would take turns in sucking on a date and drinking water, then give it to another man to suck on. Allah forgave them and allowed them to come back from that battle.''
Ibn Jarir reported thatAbdullah binAbbas said thatUmar bin Al-Khattab was reminded of the battle of distress (Tabuk) andUmar said, "We went with the Messenger of Allah in the intense heat for Tabuk. We camped at a place in which we were stricken so hard by thirst that we thought that our necks would be severed. One of us used to go out in search of water and did not return until he feared that his neck would be severed. One would slaughter his camel, squeeze its intestines and drink its content, placing whatever was left on his kidney. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said,O Allah's Messenger! Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored, has always accepted your invocation, so invoke Allah for us.' The Prophet said, (Would you like me to do that) Abu Bakr said,Yes.' The Prophet raised his hands and did not put them down until rain fell from the sky in abundance. It rained and then stopped raining for a while, then rained again, so they filled their containers. We went out to see where the rain reached and found that it did not rain beyond our camp.''' Ibn Jarir said about Allah's statement, 9117 , 9118."
As for the time for the Battle of Tabuk, it can be found out from several sources that it was in October, so not in the Summer!!!... -
Peace Bro Ayman,
Regarding some of the idiotic comments made by the slanderer, 981 refers to the battle of Tabuq to which the Prophet led an expedition in October.
In that year there was a drought, abnormal heat, and famine, this is well documented...
since some of these who post here will only believe "infallible" muslim scholars, this is what Ibn Kathir Tafsir says about itdeep breath
"
981 Those who stayed away (from Tabuk expedition) rejoiced in their staying behind the Messenger of
All?h; they hated to strive and fight with their properties and their lives in the Cause of All?h, and
they said "March not forth in the heat." Say "The Fire of Hell is more intense in heat", if only they
could understand!9117 All?h has forgiven the Prophet (SAW), the Muhajir?n (Muslim emigrants who left their homes and
came to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (Muslims of Al-Madinah) who followed him (Muhammad SAW) in
the time of distress (Tab?k expedition, etc.), after the hearts of a party of them had nearly deviated
(from the Right Path), but He accepted their repentance. Certainly, He is unto them full of Kindness,
Most Merciful.9118 And (He did forgive also) the three left (i.e. he did not give his judgement in their case, and their case was suspended for All?h's
Decision) till for them the earth, vast as it is, was straitened and their ownselves were straitened to
them, and they perceived that there is no fleeing from All?h, and no refuge but with Him. Then, He
accepted their repentance, that they might repent (unto Him). Verily, All?h is the One Who accepts
repentance, Most Merciful.Battle of Tabuk
Mujahid and several others said, "This Ayah was revealed concerning the battle of Tabuk.
They left for that battle during a period of distress.
It was a year with little rain, intense heat and scarcity of supplies and water.''
Qatadah said, "They went to Ash-Sham during the year of the battle of Tabuk at a time when the heat was intense.
Allah knew how hard things were, and they suffered great hardship. We were told that two men used to divide a date between themselves. Some of them would take turns in sucking on a date and drinking water, then give it to another man to suck on. Allah forgave them and allowed them to come back from that battle.''
Ibn Jarir reported thatAbdullah binAbbas said thatUmar bin Al-Khattab was reminded of the battle of distress (Tabuk) andUmar said, "We went with the Messenger of Allah in the intense heat for Tabuk. We camped at a place in which we were stricken so hard by thirst that we thought that our necks would be severed. One of us used to go out in search of water and did not return until he feared that his neck would be severed. One would slaughter his camel, squeeze its intestines and drink its content, placing whatever was left on his kidney. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said,O Allah's Messenger! Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored, has always accepted your invocation, so invoke Allah for us.' The Prophet said, (Would you like me to do that) Abu Bakr said,Yes.' The Prophet raised his hands and did not put them down until rain fell from the sky in abundance. It rained and then stopped raining for a while, then rained again, so they filled their containers. We went out to see where the rain reached and found that it did not rain beyond our camp.''' Ibn Jarir said about Allah's statement, 9117 , 9118."
As for the time for the Battle of Tabuk, it can be found out from several sources that it was in October, so not in the Summer!!!...Peace
Do not jump into the lap of fabricated history and ahadith.
How come now they have become "reliable" ??
Contradiction /cotnradiction /conradiction between words and action.If someone else quotes from Tabari ,will you accept it ? First decide it .
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Peace Belal,
Ayman, calm down...Be constructive when criticizing so we can all learn.
My assumptions and conclusion are based on Quran ( 9-81 tell us that the four restricted months ended around Summer Time) and science (using the date converter to identify the season in which the four restricted moon cycles and Ramadan occurred when chapter 9 was revealed).If you want constructive criticism then here is the most constructive thing anyone here ever gave you Don't start from the sectarian calendar and desperetly work backwards to justify it and instead start from a pure mind free of preconceptions.
981 doesn't say that the four restricted months ended around summer time. Can you please copy and paste the passage that says that the event in 981 came immediately after 91-3 and that everything in the 77 passages between 91-3 and 981 we can just forget about? The fact is that all we know is that 981 happened after 91-3 and was in the hot time of the year and from 986 that a passage was revealed around that time. We don't know if it is a few months after or one year after or 5 years after 91-3. So you are making a baseless assumption.
The other baseless assumption you are making is that the restricted "months" are the sectarian restricted months but starting from Zul Hijjah. So you know that the sectarian calendar is false and yet you hypocritically continue to base your nonsense on it.
The other nonsense in your argument is that you conveniently forget that the so-called Islamic calendar was not even established at that time. The months in the Islamic calendar are 100% dependent on when month 1 started and the year where the new era was made to start, all of which were arbitrarily decided later supposedly at the time of Umar. You have no idea when the so-called Islamic Calendar was established and even if it was established earlier this has zero impact on the fact that it is arbitrary and still the months will depend on month 1 and the start of the new era and the haphazard order of the months. So THREE completely arbitrary and manmade factors.
Again, EVERYTHING that you said is based on starting from the preconception of the sectarian calendar and then working backwards. You are not starting from the great reading with pure intentions.
You should have been able to see all this on your own if you had a little bit of intelligence instead of asking me to spoonfeed you what has been repeated on this thread time after time again. It is not my fault that you are slow.
Before I follow any opinion I examine it using the Quran and other sound data...Therefore, I examined Brother Layth opinion. The result is "Layth's Opinion does not violate the Quran or the scientific data, and yours violates both...does that makes you angry enough to call me names?
Again, you seem unable to read previous posts
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg223683#msg223683
I'm still waiting for your answer to my two questions.
I already answered every question you and anyone else had on this thread. On the other hand, you and none of those following the sectarians' timing on this thread have answered my ONE question.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace brother Nabeel,
Regarding some of the idiotic comments made by the slanderer, 981 refers to the battle of Tabuq to which the Prophet led an expedition in October.
In that year there was a drought, abnormal heat, and famine, this is well documented...
since some of these who post here will only believe "infallible" muslim scholars, this is what Ibn Kathir Tafsir says about itI wouldn't put any weight on Islamic history, especially the dating of all its events. All the dates were messed up and pushed forward by years so that several generations later people can claim that their forefathers, saints and bygone kings fought with the prophet or were his companions or his relatives. Chapter 9 itself destroys Belal's baseless claim that 981 happened right after 91-3. All he needed to do was to read the 77 verses in between and see all the other events that happened in between (for example the battle of Hunayin in 925). Belal is following nothing but "thann"/conjecture.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
Do you suffer from somekind of inferiority complex?
I was responding to your false accusation. This is my God given right. People who are against God would most certainly take that right away from good people. Ayman, stop acting like a child, improve your behavior, and hold fast to God?s light.
Instead of mindlessly repeating "I am not a blind follower of scholars" and "I am a believer" to bolster your self image, just do it. No intelligent person cares if you say a hundred times "I am a believer and Ayman is not". Your argument style is like that of a 5 year old child.
The above quote is very interesting since you are equating repeating behavior to 5 year old child. Now, how many time have you repeated this quote of yours my dear Watson ?How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.?, 5 times, 10 times, or 20 times? The answer is numerous times. Therefore, by your own definition, you are a 5 years old child, who is repeating the same thing mindlessly. You have condemned yourself, ignorantly.
It will be very interesting to play chess with you because it would take only few moves to defeat you (checkmate) since you are incapable of thinking ahead even a single move (as demonstrated by your quote above). Ayman, truly you do make my day. Please keep it up. Thank you.
Which of your moronic scholars (name them and tell us exactly what they said) and which of their false teachings on the timing are in line with the great reading?
I have many scholars but I will just name one for you Prophet Muhammad. And you are proudly calling Prophet Muhammad and his follower morons. This is a despicable act of yours. Initially people used their innermost thought to accept Prophet Muhammad?s message as there were no written Quran to go around. Quran was not canonized yet. You and your followers must be very proud for labeling Prophet as a moron.
Did the great reading tell you any of the following
- To arbitrarily go on your so-called Hajj from the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hjjah?
- To arbitrarily choose months 11, 12, 1, and 7 or 11,12,1,2 or 12,1,2,3 (as Belal baselessly assumes) or 10,11,12,1 or 9,10,11,12 or whatever as restricted.
- To have the placement of your so-called Ramadhan dependent on arbitrarily choosing the year 622CE to start the calendar.
- To have the placement of your so-called Ramadhan dependent on arbitrarily choosing any haphazard month (not even the month of the supposed Hijra) as month 1?
- To have the placement of your so-called Ramadhan dependent on an arbitrary order of the months?
- To take the god's word "ramadhan/scorching heat" as meaningless info that doesn't reflect the truth about the timing?
My dear Watson, we are not debating my theory here. We are debating you theory. Why don?t you have the capability to keep this in mind when you are writing and asking questions? Please put you theory in the above format (i.e. 1. your marker, 2. when you start Ramadan, 3. how you count years, etc) and I will (God willing) disprove it again via contradiction. And to show contradiction in your theory is merely a child play.
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I have many scholars but I will just name one for you Prophet Muhammad. And you are proudly calling Prophet Muhammad and his follower morons. This is a despicable act of yours. Initially people used their innermost thought to accept Prophet Muhammad?s message as there were no written Quran to go around. Quran was not canonized yet. You and your followers must be very proud for labeling Prophet as a moron.
Will you kindly share the DVD with all of us, which prophet Mohammad (pbuh) passed on to you for the benifit of mankind?
siki
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Peace Bro Ayman,
As a response to what is being said...
I do not think the word scholar/s convey the meaning alim/ulama as it is.
In fact the derogatory word in english for muslim alim is (among other) cleric.
It will be better to think in terms of Alim, as in my view, most certainly no Prophet was
a Scholar in the western sense...
beside, Prophets have a special standing, in that they do not produce works of scholastic
interest (this is what scholars do), they in fact receive Revelations from Allah, so the exemplifying a Prophet to a Scholar is clearly incorrect.
As for the Alims like the ones who really matter (cf the one who outsmarted Ifrit in Solomon's and Queen of Saba story)
these you will not meet in a Jama'a, a conventional Library, a common Masjid/Jama', or a sectarian gathering I am afraid and certain of, and am sure they keep to their own, if there are still people of this caliber, and I wish there are, they do get things (ghaib things by Allah's leave that solve problems), done.
As a conclusion, comparing a Prophet to an Alim is not appropriate, whatever the definition, as the functions are different.
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Peace Bro Ayman,
As a response to what is being said...
I do not think the word scholar/s convey the meaning alim/ulama as it is.
In fact the derogatory word in english for muslim alim is (among other) cleric.
It will be better to think in terms of Alim, as in my view, most certainly no Prophet was
a Scholar in the western sense...
beside, Prophets have a special standing, in that they do not produce works of scholastic
interest (this is what scholars do), they in fact receive Revelations from Allah, so the exemplifying a Prophet to a Scholar is clearly incorrect.
As for the Alims like the ones who really matter (cf the one who outsmarted Ifrit in Solomon's and Queen of Saba story)
these you will not meet in a Jama'a, a conventional Library, a common Masjid, or a sectarian gathering I am afraid and certain of, and am sure they keep to their own, if there are still people of this caliber, and I wish there are, they do get things (ghaib things by Allah's leave that solve problems), done.
As a conclusion, comparing a Prophet to an Alim is not appropriate, whatever the definition, as the functions are different.
Using this argument as an excuse in the current argument to undermine a line of thought is therefore (gently put) misleading...Islam is not in need of westrized concepts but of its own concepts. We would like to believe in Umar ,Uthman RA instead of David ,Richard ,Lewnski etc but
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Peace,
in my view, the western scholars constrain themselves to the realm of the Seen (athahir), whereas a true muslim Alim will endeavor to look at reality from a more extended view, including the Unseen (ghaib/baattin).
but if one wishes to use the word Alim loosely, there are levels of Ilm, from the Seen to the Unseen, and it is better to not be exclusive in the definitions, as the Quran does not seem to be, as in the Ayat "... above every one who who is endowed with 'Ilm, (Allah makes) one more Alim (knowledgeable) - and I dispute that this definition is only about Deen as the sectarian religious scholars want to force feed...
so yes, that also includes john, joshua, joaquim and michael, together with umar, reza, abu hanifa and aymanIslam is not in need of westrized concepts but of its own concepts. We would like to believe in Umar ,Uthman RA instead of David ,Richard ,Lewnski etc but
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Will you kindly share the DVD with all of us, which prophet Mohammad (pbuh) passed on to you for the benifit of mankind?
siki
DVD is 1995 technology. Therefore, Prophet Muhammad couldn?t have passed DVD to us. As usual, this is another of your illogical and contradictory statement.
DVD as an industry standard was announced in November 1995 and backed by major players in the CE, IT and movie industry. The first players appeared in Japan in November, 1996, followed by U.S. players in March, 1997. To produce DVD players, one needs to license a range of patents, owned by different companies. A number of these companies (Philips, Sony, Matsushita and Toshiba) have decided to license the necessary patents through one licensing agent. Philips has been selected to take up this administrative role. Matshusita, was the company mainly responsible for the development of DVD as it is today. Philips, one of the first companies to make CD players, was the first to make a DVD player. The invention of DVD cannot be attributed to one person or one company.
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Peace,
in my view, the western scholars constrain themselves to the realm of the Seen (athahir), whereas a true muslim Alim will endeavor to look at reality from a more extended view, including the Unseen (ghaib/baattin).
but if one wishes to use the word Alim loosely, there are levels of Ilm, from the Seen to the Unseen, and it is better to not be exclusive in the definitions, as the Quran does not seem to be, as in the Ayat "... above every one who who is endowed with 'Ilm, (Allah makes) one more Alim (knowledgeable) - and I dispute that this definition is only about Deen as the sectarian religious scholars want to force feed...
so yes, that also includes john, joshua, joaquim and michael, together with umar, reza, abu hanifa and aymanAyman? How ? a person who does not know abc of Quranic language ,you are considering him among Ulamaa.Look at our discussion of diptotes. Ask him what a diptote is and whether if the word Ramadhan is used as a diptote in the Quran or not.
He will run away as usual which is his very obvious methodology.
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DVD is 1995 technology. Therefore, Prophet Muhammad couldn?t have passed DVD to us. As usual, this is another of your illogical and contradictory statement.
DVD as an industry standard was announced in November 1995 and backed by major players in the CE, IT and movie industry. The first players appeared in Japan in November, 1996, followed by U.S. players in March, 1997. To produce DVD players, one needs to license a range of patents, owned by different companies. A number of these companies (Philips, Sony, Matsushita and Toshiba) have decided to license the necessary patents through one licensing agent. Philips has been selected to take up this administrative role. Matshusita, was the company mainly responsible for the development of DVD as it is today. Philips, one of the first companies to make CD players, was the first to make a DVD player. The invention of DVD cannot be attributed to one person or one company.
So, in such a scenario, when you dont have a footage of prophet Mohammad's life , let me say that, You have chosen to follow the word of mouth practices corrupted by scholars through 30 odd generations.
No wonder you are totally disregarding the clear evidences from the only incorruptible source left by our prophet Mohammad (pbuh).
So think again, Are you following the prophet, or Are you following scholars who have corrupted the practices over a period of time?
siki
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Peace Guest,
I was responding to your false accusation. This is my God given right. People who are against God would most certainly take that right away from good people. Ayman, stop acting like a child, improve your behavior, and hold fast to God?s light.
The above quote is very interesting since you are equating repeating behavior to 5 year old child. Now, how many time have you repeated this quote of yours my dear Watson ?How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.?, 5 times, 10 times, or 20 times? The answer is numerous times. Therefore, by your own definition, you are a 5 years old child, who is repeating the same thing mindlessly. You have condemned yourself, ignorantly.
It will be very interesting to play chess with you because it would take only few moves to defeat you (checkmate) since you are incapable of thinking ahead even a single move (as demonstrated by your quote above). Ayman, truly you do make my day. Please keep it up. Thank you.My question has to do directly with the issue which has over 2000 posts and over 34000 views. On the other hand you mindlessly repeating "I am a believer while you are not a believer, na na......na na na" is typical of spoiled undisciplined playground children. Even my little kids have been raised to be disciplined and mature enough and they don't act like you.
I have many scholars but I will just name one for you Prophet Muhammad. And you are proudly calling Prophet Muhammad and his follower morons. This is a despicable act of yours. Initially people used their innermost thought to accept Prophet Muhammad?s message as there were no written Quran to go around. Quran was not canonized yet. You and your followers must be very proud for labeling Prophet as a moron.
What you are saying is the same thing that Christians say about their prophet. They say ?Prophet Jesus said I am the son of god". You are in reality following satan and you are misguided. You are a liar just like your idiot scholars who attributed the false Sunna to the prophet. If you are not a liar then please quote where Prophet Mohammed said the following things, which your false manmade timing is based on
- O believers, take the date of the Hijra to start the calendar.
- O believers, sorry but forget about point #1 above and don't take the actual supposed date of the Hijra to start the calendar but instead start the calendar from 3 months prior to the Hijra.
- O believers, the order of the months is Muharram, Safar, Rabi' al-awwal, Rabi' al-thani, Jumada al-awwal, Jumada al-thani, Rajab, Sha'aban, Ramadan, Shawwal, Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 95 because the restricted "months" are not consecutive but are the arbitrary Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, Muharram, and Rajab.
- O believers ignore 2189 and perform your Hajj from the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah.
- O believers ignore 1712 and don?t use day and night to determine the number of years and instead use the moon alone, which is not mentioned at all in 1712.
- O believers ignore the meaning of the word ?ramadhan? and take it as meaningless nonsense.
- O believers ignore 936 and instead count ?months? forever and don?t stop at 12, thereby making every month in your calendar dependent on when month 1 started. However, trick people into thinking that you are counting 12 by recycling the anyway meaningless names of the months every 12 names.
My dear Watson, we are not debating my theory here. We are debating you theory. Why don?t you have the capability to keep this in mind when you are writing and asking questions?
You have no answers to my questions and so of course you cowardly don?t want to debate your nonsensical theory about the traditional timing and want us to follow it blindly like cattle like you and your forefathers.
Please put you theory in the above format (i.e. 1. your marker, 2. when you start Ramadan, 3. how you count years, etc) and I will (God willing) disprove it again via contradiction. And to show contradiction in your theory is merely a child play.
Read post 1. It is now over post 2000 and almost 5 years later and no one has been able to disprove it. It is safe to say that someone with your demonstrated low level of knowledge and intelligence can never do it.
Peace,
Ayman
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So, in such a scenario, when you dont have a footage of prophet Mohammad's life , let me say that, You have chosen to follow the word of mouth practices corrupted by scholars through 30 odd generations.
How would you know the authenticity of the DVD i.e. how do you know that it hasen't been tampered with. This is also true of the classical dictionary. DVD = word of mouth. You are facing the same dilema. You need to think slowly and logically. All matter comes down to the innermost thought.
No wonder you are totally disregarding the clear evidences from the only incorruptible source left by our prophet Mohammad (pbuh).
Not at all. I am disregarding Ayman's twisted words and the definition of arabic dictionary. Thats all.
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Peace Q_student,
Ayman? How ? a person who does not know abc of Quranic language ,you are considering him among Ulamaa.Look at our discussion of diptotes. Ask him what a diptote is and whether if the word Ramadhan is used as a diptote in the Quran or not.
He will run away as usual which is his very obvious methodology.
RegardsYou sound a little jealous ) . Maybe you are still mad that I proved you to be a shameless blatant liar when you said that Thamuda didn't have a final Alif, which I am sure that you will now remember for the rest of your life whenever you read the occasional occurrences of Thamuda with an Alif in the great reading. Instead of being obsessed with me, why don't you try to answer the question
How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.
We will now see who will cowerdly run from answering the question like all the other blind sectarians defending the indefensible traditional calendar on this thread.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Q_student,
You sound a little jealous ) . Maybe you are still mad that I proved you to be a shameless blatant liar when you said that Thamuda didn't have a final Alif, which I am sure that you will now remember for the rest of your life whenever you read the occasional occurrences of Thamuda with an Alif in the great reading. Instead of being obsessed with me, why don't you try to answer the question
How your Ramadhan and your Hajj on the 8th to the 13th of Dhu Al-Hijjah and your restricted months (Muharam, Rajab, Dhu Al-Qi3da, Dhu Al-Hijjah, or whatever) are based purely on the god's words from the great reading and not on some unknown people or some guy named Umar arbitrarily deciding the order the months and the start of year 1 month 1 or on what the majority or Mullahs say or on Hadiths or any other such crap.
We will now see who will cowerdly run from answering the question like all the other blind sectarians defending the indefensible traditional calendar on this thread.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace
There is no confliction. Give the definition of Diptote and its signs to recognize it. And tell every one whether Ramadhan is used as Diptote in the Quran or not. Why are you running away. Prove your Classical Arabic efficiency. Why Reluctant as usual.NABSTER !! please note he has evaded the diptote question. I foretold you.This is what I wanted to prove.
Regards
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Peace, Ayman,
My question has to do directly with the issue which has over 2000 posts and over 34000 views.
Finally, the real Ayman really stood up. His true motive is number of posts and views and NOT THE TRUTH.
What you are saying is the same thing that Christians say about their prophet. They say ?Prophet Jesus said I am the son of god".
I didn?t tell you to follow wicked people. I told you to follow believers like Prophet Muhammad. Use your innermost thoughts to decipher good from the bad. You are consistently using satanic view as an example. That is your style. No wonder why your theory so polluted.
Read post 1. It is now over post 2000 and almost 5 years later and no one has been able to disprove it. It is safe to say that someone with your demonstrated low level of knowledge and intelligence can never do it.
You are unable to comprehend even a simple matter. This happens when one is under the spill of satan. For your information, post 1 is not in the format I requested. I knew you aren?t going to do that because then you will expose your own falsehood. Go ahead provide your concept in the requested format and I will defeat it in no time. You are too slick to do it. I will disprove your so called Ramadan theory again and then send you to the BORG. And you what they do best.
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Peace, Ayman,
Finally, the real Ayman really stood up. His true motive is number of posts and views and NOT THE TRUTH.
I didn?t tell you to follow wicked people. I told you to follow believers like Prophet Muhammad. Use your innermost thoughts to decipher good from the bad. You are consistently using satanic view as an example. That is your style. No wonder why your theory so polluted.
You are unable to comprehend even a simple matter. This happens when one is under the spill of satan. For your information, post 1 is not in the format I requested. I knew you aren?t going to do that because then you will expose your own falsehood. Go ahead provide your concept in the requested format and I will defeat it in no time. You are too slick to do it. I will disprove your so called Ramadan theory again and then send you to the BORG. And you what they do best.
Peace Guest
You are just wasting your time. Look at this Quranic Principle .(6)
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Peace Q_student
what are you on about with your diptotes and triptotes bs?
these are grammatical classifications made for convenience after the fact like for any and all languages...
you happen to read something somewhere and now you are a linguist?
who cares?
I am interested in the meanings of the words in the Quran, especially words as important as Ramadhan since we
are having an issue here!!!
Well if it makes you happy, in the classification, any word that ends with an (aliph, nun) is a diptote, so according to this
the word ramadhan is a diptote, and so is the word ramadan (ashes)... happy now whateverand to quote the definition, a diptote is a word which cannot be conjugated...
now you will have to do better in your debunking homework...
speaking of which, you are just debunking for the sake of debunking, you do not care about the Truth, or Salvation,
you are just a spoilt self righteous brat, and I am sure that at the time of the Prophet if you were to exist, you would have been the most argumentative pest there would have been, and would have kept with the People of the Book if you were among them, citing how the Torah was much better at explaining what Muhammed was sent for...
So be careful who you point your finger at as being the kafir...