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    MUNZIR_ALI
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    Salam Munzir,

    I was part of the process, but it was the other mods who initiated and then executed the addition of the new mod.

    Wow a democracy. LOL! yay

    peace!

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      Rev_John
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      salam nabster,

      Just to comment, I want to point out that Christians are not 'people o the book', so any meat (other than fish) prepared by this group would be foul.

      So I can only prepare foul meat? well, thanks

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        Layth
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        So I can only prepare foul meat? well, thanks

        My comments were not meant to offend, just stating a matter of fact.

        Also, I do not understand your position since you insist on relating yourself to Christianity (a pagan blasphemous religion) yet you claim on many posts to be a montheist?

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          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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          My comments were not meant to offend, just stating a matter of fact.

          Also, I do not understand your position since you insist on relating yourself to Christianity (a pagan blasphemous religion) yet you claim on many posts to be a montheist?

          http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity#Non-trinitarians
          http//www.ChristianChurchofReality.com

          3113 They are not all the same, from the people of the book are an upright nation; they recite God's signs during parts of the night and they submit/make obeisance.

          3114 They acknowledge God and the Last day, promote recognized norms and deter from evil, and they hasten in goodness; these are of the reformed ones.

          3115 What they do of good will not be turned back, and God is aware of the upright.

          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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            Rev_John
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            My comments were not meant to offend, just stating a matter of fact.

            Also, I do not understand your position since you insist on relating yourself to Christianity (a pagan blasphemous religion) yet you claim on many posts to be a montheist?

            I am most certainly a monotheist. The reason I still call myself a Christian is because of my own interpretation of Christianity. I do not believe that you have to accept Jesus as the "Son of God" or that he was divine, nor the existence of the trinity (which makes no sense at all). I believe that to be a Christian you just have to accept the message God gave us though Jesus (commonly called Christ). To me that makes most people Christian EXCEPT those that believe in the trinity and that Jesus was somehow God, they are not Christians, they are just as pagan as the "traditionalists" in the other religions.

            Maybe I am wrong, but I tend to believe that, using my interpretation of Christianity, there is very little difference between Christianity and Islam. Now I know I will get a lot of criticism here for saying that, but, that is what I believe.
            peace

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              Layth
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              I am most certainly a monotheist. The reason I still call myself a Christian is because of my own interpretation of Christianity. I do not believe that you have to accept Jesus as the "Son of God" or that he was divine, nor the existence of the trinity (which makes no sense at all). I believe that to be a Christian you just have to accept the message God gave us though Jesus (commonly called Christ). To me that makes most people Christian EXCEPT those that believe in the trinity and that Jesus was somehow God, they are not Christians, they are just as pagan as the "traditionalists" in the other religions.

              What if I said 'I am a satanist except that I do not believe in any of the practices or sayings or beliefs of satanism.'

              Obviously such statement makes no sence and hence my affiliation with satanism would be false/empty.

              If you reject jesus being the son of God, and you reject the trinity, and you reject the doctorine of instant fogiveness gained through the belief in jesus, then youare not a christian nor does it make sence that you continue to affiliate yourself with such a system (its like somone rejecting the sunna but insisting to be called 'sunni'!).

              Maybe I am wrong, but I tend to believe that, using my interpretation of Christianity, there is very little difference between Christianity and Islam. Now I know I will get a lot of criticism here for saying that, but, that is what I believe.

              Hmmm. One is pagan and will gurantee you admission to Hell, while the other is God given and gives those who submit to its teachings a far better chance of being accepted by God and admitted to Paradise.

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                Rev_John
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                What if I said 'I am a satanist except that I do not believe in any of the practices or sayings or beliefs of satanism.'

                Obviously such statement makes no sence and hence my affiliation with satanism would be false/empty.

                If you reject jesus being the son of God, and you reject the trinity, and you reject the doctorine of instant fogiveness gained through the belief in jesus, then youare not a christian nor does it make sence that you continue to affiliate yourself with such a system (its like somone rejecting the sunna but insisting to be called 'sunni'!).

                Hmmm. One is pagan and will gurantee you admission to Hell, while the other is God given and gives those who submit to its teachings a far better chance of being accepted by God and admitted to Paradise.

                I don't believe that God cares what label you give yourself or what religion you belong to. I believe God only cares what is in your heart and mind. God does not have a religion, he/she is above that (I say he/she because I also do not believe God has a gender).

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                  Layth
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                  I don't believe that God cares what label you give yourself or what religion you belong to. I believe God only cares what is in your heart and mind. God does not have a religion, he/she is above that (I say he/she because I also do not believe God has a gender).

                  If that is your belief, why then do/did you remain affiliated to the label 'christianity'?

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                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                    If that is your belief, why then do/did you remain affiliated to the label 'christianity'?

                    He is a "christlim" or "mustrian" he calls him that.

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                      Rev_John
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                      He is a "christlim" or "mustrian" he calls him that.

                      That is true laugh

                      For want of a better label I suppose, also to try to bring some sense back into the Christian community. It can only be changed from the inside.

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                        Layth
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                        For want of a better label I suppose, also to try to bring some sense back into the Christian community. It can only be changed from the inside.

                        That is fine - I woud have called myself "Nazarene" after undersanding your position since that was the name of the true deciples of Jesus rather than the fake sect called 'christianity' which sprung-up later

                        I did have a look at your website and had a couple of questions about your views

                        1. You call Jesus the 'greatest teacher' yet at the same tme see to accept other messengers/prophets. Are they not also 'great' therefeore making none 'greater'?
                        2. You seem to reject the concept of Hell and rather teach that God is love? So, there is no judgement, or is judgement superficial whereby we all end-up in Heaven (or is there no heaven either)?
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                          Rev_John
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                          That is fine - I woud have called myself "Nazarene" after undersanding your position since that was the name of the true deciples of Jesus rather than the fake sect called 'christianity' which sprung-up later )

                          I did have a look at your website and had a couple of questions about your views

                          1. You call Jesus the 'greatest teacher' yet at the same tme see to accept other messengers/prophets. Are they not also 'great' therefeore making none 'greater'?
                          2. You seem to reject the concept of Hell and rather teach that God is love? So, there is no judgement, or is judgement superficial whereby we all end-up in Heaven (or is there no heaven either)?

                          Very good questions.

                          1. No, I don't believe that any prophet is any greater than another. Each one brought a message (sometimes the same message but in a different way).

                          2. Yes I do reject the common concept of hell. I do not believe there is such a "place". I believe that hell is the separation from God. If you imagine being a small child that has done something wrong and your father or mother sends you too your room until you realise your error, that would be hell for that child. But once you come out of your room and apologise, then your mother or father will probably give you a hug. That is how I see our relationship with God.

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                            Rev_John
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                            That is fine - I woud have called myself "Nazarene" after undersanding your position since that was the name of the true deciples of Jesus rather than the fake sect called 'christianity' which sprung-up later )

                            I did have a look at your website and had a couple of questions about your views

                            1. You call Jesus the 'greatest teacher' yet at the same tme see to accept other messengers/prophets. Are they not also 'great' therefeore making none 'greater'?
                            2. You seem to reject the concept of Hell and rather teach that God is love? So, there is no judgement, or is judgement superficial whereby we all end-up in Heaven (or is there no heaven either)?

                            Sorry I missed your first question.

                            Most Christians wouldn't know what "Nazarene" meant, most would think it meant I was saying I came from Nazareth.

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                              Meteora
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                              lol john's avatar is...cool.

                              Not sure what it is, but if it's Apple's version of a reverend, iReverend then that would be friggin awesome. yay

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                                Rev_John
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                                lol john's avatar is...cool.

                                Not sure what it is, but if it's Apple's version of a reverend, iReverend then that would be friggin awesome. yay

                                rotfl No it is a photo of me that I made into a silhouette

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                                  TheAlinatore
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                                  lol john's avatar is...cool.

                                  Not sure what it is, but if it's Apple's version of a reverend, iReverend then that would be friggin awesome. yay

                                  rotfl Nice! Seriously though, it is a cool Av!

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                                    Meteora
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                                    a cool rev

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                                      noble
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                                      Peace Layth,

                                      I do not agree with you. Allah refers to those of the People of the Book who say that God is the third of three, and tell them to stop, He did not say they were not any more People of the Book, what they called themselves at the time and now is irrelevant.
                                      What you are talking about are the first cohort who followed Jesus who were of Nazareth.
                                      By the time the Quran was revealed / being revealed the Council of Nicaea had already convened, and priesthood order implemented that the Quran refers to as having been added to please Allah but that He did not ordain it.
                                      So the Christians are indeed part of the People of the Book, and they still have the same problem, abandon the trinity (i.e at same stage as time of the Prophet), even if in some other areas, with Protestantism, there has been some progress where coming back to the Bible itself and stopping relying on Priests is concerned, which by the way we need with our sectarians...
                                      So please Layth, kindly do not go extreme on us...

                                      Salam

                                      Noble aka Nabster

                                      salam nabster,

                                      Just to comment, I want to point out that Christians are not 'people o the book', so any meat (other than fish) prepared by this group would be foul.

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                                        MUNZIR_ALI
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                                        rotfl No it is a photo of me that I made into a silhouette

                                        You look like a mafia don. Hey boss. Got any new missions for me? I your # 1 Mobster!

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                                          Rev_John
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                                          You look like a mafia don. Hey boss. Got any new missions for me? I your # 1 Mobster!

                                          laugh The fish mafia?

                                          I tend to agree with theNabster, Christians are people of the book, just a little misguided.

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