Fish is haram 4 Quran Alone adept according to Sunni Cheikh
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But what about us who consume "dead Fish" and consider it as Halaal.
If the Fish became dead due to someone had fished it out of the Water, then it is as the meat that you eat from a dead cow that was killed by someone.
Again, All Animals (e.g., Fish, Cow, Bird) that we found dead due to unknown cause are not healthy for us to eat, and therefore, God Forbidden us from eating it.
Example, if you were by the Ocean and found a dead Fish, you are forbidden by God to eat, as if you were to find a dead Cow in the street.
Because if you eat both, you will be very sick.
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Peace Nabster,
thank you for your concern...
for now, i feel confident that the current christians and jews are people of the book, who among them have true muslims, and now
by extension the current "muslims" in general are also people of the book, who among them have true muslims...
I also do not reject all hadiths 100%, I have some extra criteria by which to judge them, e.g. any hadith that has to do with legislation is for me unacceptable, any hadith that favours a ruling elite is unacceptable, all hadiths that are used as tools of crowd control are also not acceptable, hadith that defame the Prophet are not acceptable, hadith used to exploit, coerce, manipulate are unacceptable, etc.
It does not leave much, but what interests me are historical fragments, or hints that could be used for further research scholarly, empirical or archeological, and even looking for relics to shed some light on the missing dots we are trying to decipher, and unfortunately since Imam Shafie put a straightjacket on scholars to justify any writings with hadith, it is my hope that despite that, there is some remnants of history that can be salvaged to give some further insights into the true history and timeline of the Prophet's life, and the timeline of the revelation of the Quran too...I understand the process you have described and I believe many will continue to favor some sort of balance (though not as meticulous as the steps taht you pointed to). We have all gone through many changes/stages to fine tune ourselves to what we hope is the correct path/understanding - I myself find the path of abondonment of all literature other than the Quran to be the most reliable, but, as I said, we each find our own way
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Peace all,
The problem with the Guy in Youtube is "He Believes that the ONLY Prescribed way, by God, to kill an animal is by Slaughtering" , however, this is not True.
There is no mentioning of such way of killing an animal in the Quran, rather, a Killed animal by Hunting or by a Beast is allowed for us to eat.
That is why He thinks that because Fish is not Slaughtered after being fished out of the water, therefore it is Dead...and therefore, we need the Hadith that gave us the permission to eat. Everyday passes, this people loss their logic.
I do not say that the Hadith about the fish is not true, rather, we can not claim that God forget to tell us about the Fish, and therefore, the Prophet had to do so (and therefore, the hadiths are as essential as the Quran) ...Maybe, some people had asked the Prophet, and therefore, He answered them by using the Quran to understand the way to answer.The main Goal of this people is not about the Fish, rather it is about permitting Stoning To Death for the Married Who Commits fornication, permitting the teaching of Grave Punishment Hadiths, and all the other lies that adds to and/ or deletes from the Quran Knowledge. And that is not acceptable, Because, adding will Lead to Shrik and Deleting will Lead to Koffer.
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Peace all,
The problem with the Guy in Youtube is "He Believes that the ONLY Prescribed way, by God, to kill an animal is by Slaughtering" , however, this is not True.
There is no mentioning of such way of killing an animal in the Quran, rather, a Killed animal by Hunting or by a Beast is allowed for us to eat.
That is why He thinks that because Fish is not Slaughtered after being fished out of the water, therefore it is Dead...and therefore, we need the Hadith that gave us the permission to eat. Everyday passes, this people loss their logic.
I do not say that the Hadith about the fish is not true, rather, we can not claim that God forget to tell us about the Fish, and therefore, the Prophet had to do so (and therefore, the hadiths are as essential as the Quran) ...Maybe, some people had asked the Prophet, and therefore, He answered them by using the Quran to understand the way to answer.The main Goal of this people is not about the Fish, rather it is about permitting Stoning To Death for the Married Who Commits fornication, permitting the teaching of Grave Punishment Hadiths, and all the other lies that adds to and/ or deletes from the Quran Knowledge. And that is not acceptable, Because, adding will Lead to Shrik and Deleting will Lead to Koffer.
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Then please define "maitatun" ( ). Thanks in advance.
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Peace Q_student,
Then please define "maitatun" ( ). Thanks in advance.
Forgive me for interrupting the discussion between Belal and you but correct me if I am wrong. Logically it cannot mean "dead", otherwise the god would be implying that we should only eat animals or fish or whatever while they are alive and kicking.
I think that several passages in the great reading clearly indicate that there is a difference depending on how one dies (Free-Minds Translation)
3156 O you who believe do not be like those who rejected and said to their brothers when they had gone forth in the land or on the offensive If they were here with us they would not have died nor been killed. God will make this a source of grief in their hearts, and God grants life and death, and God is watching over what you do.
2258 And those who emigrated in the cause of God, then they were killed or died, God will provide them with a good provision, and God is the best of providers.
3144 And Mohammed is but a messenger, like many messengers who have passed before him. If he dies or is killed will you turn back on your heels? And whoever turns back on his heels, he will not harm God in the least. And God will recompense the thankful.
Clearly, the term is used in relation to dying of natural causes in contrast to being killed.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Q_student,
Forgive me for interrupting the discussion between Belal and you but correct me if I am wrong. Logically it cannot mean "dead", otherwise the god would be implying that we should only eat animals or fish or whatever while they are alive and kicking.
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Hyenas do eat alive and kicking animals ;D
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Hyenas eating a Buffalo alive -
Peace Layth
Thank you for your kind words.
Some extra insights.
For me it was like a pendulum, I went from one extreme to the other.
At one stage not questioning anything, then questioning everything,
and now using reason and caution.
I think what one of the gravest mistakes the second generation of scholars did (the ones who won
the legal and intellectual battle as to how to set up the islamic system / legal framework, the main architect for the sunnis
Imam Shafie, for the Shia maybe Imam Yaqoub al-Kulainy) was- to endorse the acceptability of compiling hadiths about the Prophet and sahaba and 2. to endorse hadiths as a source of Law.
- allowing by implications that all hadiths even not attributable to Mohammed became his hadiths too!!!
As a result, this spawned the hadith factories that we know of, i.e Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Kitab Al Kafi, etc
If for instance those early scholars said, ok we tolerate that there are sayings of The Prophet circulating, but they are not binding and we are not using them, we would have known where they came from, we would have gotten a better idea about timelines, there would have been far less incentives for corruption...
but Allah willed it otherwise, if you look at it, it is again to fulfill certain prophecies that have come to pass...
and He knows best what His Scheme is... -
Peace,
Of course is not a "Natural Death", and therefor, the Fish is killed when fished out of the water.
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It means we can eat those animals which die because of some poisoning. If take hens 100 and poison them with Carbon monoxide ,can those be considered Halaal as per Quran ?
We should not forget that is it is sort of Strangling for the Fish because of production of Free Oxygen radicles which damage external and internal respiratory systems of it.
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It means we can eat those animals which die because of some poisoning. If take hens 100 and poison them with Carbon monoxide ,can those be considered Halaal as per Quran ?
We should not forget that is it is sort of Strangling for the Fish because of production of Free Oxygen radicles which damage external and internal respiratory systems of it.
RegardsPeaec,
Men have been practicing Fishing since their first creation. Moreover, they use to catch fish but did not used to slaughter them in order to kill.
If God were to think that this way would cause the fish to die in a way that would cause the fish to be prohibited for us to eat, then God would have instructed Men otherwise; rather, God Instructed us that Fishing is Lawful for us as a way to kill and eat the sea creatures.we should only eat animals or fish or whatever while they are alive and kicking.
By the way, that is how I like my Fish cooked, "alive and Kicking" on the top of my Scorching Grill. eat
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Peaec,
Men have been practicing Fishing since their first creation. Moreover, they use to catch fish but did not used to slaughter them in order to kill.
If God were to think that this way would cause the fish to die in a way that would cause the fish to be prohibited for us to eat, then God would have instructed Men otherwise; rather, God Instructed us that Fishing is Lawful for us as a way to kill and eat the sea creatures.By the way, that is how I like my Fish cooked, "alive and Kicking" on the top of my Scorching Grill. eat
Fishing is lawful as hunting is lawful. Being hunting lawful does not mean we start eating strangle animals which are clearly prohibited. Exactly God has made lawful not but .How does it imply that dead animals/ strangled animals have become lawful for us.
That is true we cannot eat "Kicking animals".BTW what is the Quranic method of Killing the Halaal animals for eating puposes ?
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How does it imply that dead animals/ strangled animals have become lawful for us.
That is true we cannot eat "Kicking animals".BTW what is the Quranic method of Killing the Halaal animals for eating puposes ?
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Peace,
In your opinion, what is the proper way (God's Way) of Killing Sea Food In General ? -
Peace,
In your opinion, what is the proper way (God's Way) of Killing Sea Food In General ?Peace Brother
I do not know.
I like fish a lot but have left it for the last 5 years thinking that it is dead meat (maitah) or Strangled one.
That is why I am asking From Quran experts.
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That shaykh said that "all dead animals" are forbidden in the Qur'aan... Where?
Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animals), and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall, and that killed by goring with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten ? except what you slaughter; and that which is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols), and that you seek to divide by arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. But whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining wilfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Q. 53)
Where does this passage say that "all dead animals" are forbidden? Aren't ALL animals dead when we eat them, or does that shaykh choose to eat animals that are still alive?! laugh
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Peace Brother
I do not know.
I like fish a lot but have left it for the last 5 years thinking that it is dead meat (maitah) or Strangled one.
That is why I am asking From Quran experts.
RegardsAs I told you, Try Grilled "alive and kicking Fish". At least you are aware that is not a dead meat...By the way, being born in seashore city, I love to eat Raw Oysters, Clams, Crabs, and Fish (i.e., Sushi); they taste the best, especially when they are alive and kicking in your mouth.
As far as myself, I'm comfortable with my different ways of eating Sea Food; and according to the hadith, the Prophet and his companion used to eat fish that were dead due to being fished out of the water.
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That shaykh said that "all dead animals" are forbidden in the Qur'aan... Where?
Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animals), and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall, and that killed by goring with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten ? except what you slaughter; and that which is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols), and that you seek to divide by arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. But whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining wilfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Q. 53)
Where does this passage say that "all dead animals" are forbidden? Aren't ALL animals dead when we eat them, or does that shaykh choose to eat animals that are still alive?! laugh
Forget about that Shaikh brother. It is the habit of these "hadithi" shukhookh.
I am asking about Quranic method of killing animals for eating puposes.
If I give you a hen ,how will you kill it so that it becomes halaal for eating purpose and does not come in the category ofRegards
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Peace Brother
I do not know.
I like fish a lot but have left it for the last 5 years thinking that it is dead meat (maitah) or Strangled one.
That is why I am asking From Quran experts.
RegardsIf this would help, the Quran tell us the Prophet Moses used to eat Fish
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18631862 And when they passed further on, he said to his youth Bring us our lunch; we have found much fatigue in this journey of ours.
1863 He said Do you remember when we rested upon the rock? I forgot the fish, and it was the devil who made me forget to remember it. It made its way back to the sea amazingly!I hope now you can go back and enjoy eating the tasty sea food that our Lord created for us to enjoy.
