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    Q_student
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    Peace,

    Of course is not a "Natural Death", and therefor, the Fish is killed when fished out of the water.

    Peace

    Peace
    It means we can eat those animals which die because of some poisoning. If take hens 100 and poison them with Carbon monoxide ,can those be considered Halaal as per Quran ?
    We should not forget that is it is sort of Strangling for the Fish because of production of Free Oxygen radicles which damage external and internal respiratory systems of it.
    Regards

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      belH
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      Peace
      It means we can eat those animals which die because of some poisoning. If take hens 100 and poison them with Carbon monoxide ,can those be considered Halaal as per Quran ?
      We should not forget that is it is sort of Strangling for the Fish because of production of Free Oxygen radicles which damage external and internal respiratory systems of it.
      Regards

      Peaec,
      Men have been practicing Fishing since their first creation. Moreover, they use to catch fish but did not used to slaughter them in order to kill.
      If God were to think that this way would cause the fish to die in a way that would cause the fish to be prohibited for us to eat, then God would have instructed Men otherwise; rather, God Instructed us that Fishing is Lawful for us as a way to kill and eat the sea creatures.

      we should only eat animals or fish or whatever while they are alive and kicking.

      By the way, that is how I like my Fish cooked, "alive and Kicking" on the top of my Scorching Grill. eat

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        Q_student
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        Peaec,
        Men have been practicing Fishing since their first creation. Moreover, they use to catch fish but did not used to slaughter them in order to kill.
        If God were to think that this way would cause the fish to die in a way that would cause the fish to be prohibited for us to eat, then God would have instructed Men otherwise; rather, God Instructed us that Fishing is Lawful for us as a way to kill and eat the sea creatures.

        By the way, that is how I like my Fish cooked, "alive and Kicking" on the top of my Scorching Grill. eat

        Fishing is lawful as hunting is lawful. Being hunting lawful does not mean we start eating strangle animals which are clearly prohibited. Exactly God has made lawful not but .How does it imply that dead animals/ strangled animals have become lawful for us.

        That is true we cannot eat "Kicking animals".BTW what is the Quranic method of Killing the Halaal animals for eating puposes ?

        Regards

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          belH
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          How does it imply that dead animals/ strangled animals have become lawful for us.

          That is true we cannot eat "Kicking animals".BTW what is the Quranic method of Killing the Halaal animals for eating puposes ?

          Regards

          Peace,
          In your opinion, what is the proper way (God's Way) of Killing Sea Food In General ?

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            Q_student
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            Peace,
            In your opinion, what is the proper way (God's Way) of Killing Sea Food In General ?

            Peace Brother
            I do not know.
            I like fish a lot but have left it for the last 5 years thinking that it is dead meat (maitah) or Strangled one.
            That is why I am asking From Quran experts.
            Regards

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              Ahmad_Bilal
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              That shaykh said that "all dead animals" are forbidden in the Qur'aan... Where?

              Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animals), and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall, and that killed by goring with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten ? except what you slaughter; and that which is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols), and that you seek to divide by arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. But whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining wilfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Q. 53)

              Where does this passage say that "all dead animals" are forbidden? Aren't ALL animals dead when we eat them, or does that shaykh choose to eat animals that are still alive?! laugh

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                belH
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                Peace Brother
                I do not know.
                I like fish a lot but have left it for the last 5 years thinking that it is dead meat (maitah) or Strangled one.
                That is why I am asking From Quran experts.
                Regards

                As I told you, Try Grilled "alive and kicking Fish". At least you are aware that is not a dead meat...By the way, being born in seashore city, I love to eat Raw Oysters, Clams, Crabs, and Fish (i.e., Sushi); they taste the best, especially when they are alive and kicking in your mouth.

                As far as myself, I'm comfortable with my different ways of eating Sea Food; and according to the hadith, the Prophet and his companion used to eat fish that were dead due to being fished out of the water.

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                  That shaykh said that "all dead animals" are forbidden in the Qur'aan... Where?

                  Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animals), and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall, and that killed by goring with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten ? except what you slaughter; and that which is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols), and that you seek to divide by arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. But whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining wilfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Q. 53)

                  Where does this passage say that "all dead animals" are forbidden? Aren't ALL animals dead when we eat them, or does that shaykh choose to eat animals that are still alive?! laugh

                  Forget about that Shaikh brother. It is the habit of these "hadithi" shukhookh.
                  I am asking about Quranic method of killing animals for eating puposes.
                  If I give you a hen ,how will you kill it so that it becomes halaal for eating purpose and does not come in the category of

                  Regards

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                    belH
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                    Peace Brother
                    I do not know.
                    I like fish a lot but have left it for the last 5 years thinking that it is dead meat (maitah) or Strangled one.
                    That is why I am asking From Quran experts.
                    Regards

                    If this would help, the Quran tell us the Prophet Moses used to eat Fish

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                    1863

                    1862 And when they passed further on, he said to his youth Bring us our lunch; we have found much fatigue in this journey of ours.
                    1863 He said Do you remember when we rested upon the rock? I forgot the fish, and it was the devil who made me forget to remember it. It made its way back to the sea amazingly!

                    I hope now you can go back and enjoy eating the tasty sea food that our Lord created for us to enjoy.

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                      noble
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                      Peace
                      Again, do not exaggerate in the Deen, what comes from the sea is lawful to eat, so you can eat it, raw, cooked, whatever.
                      Now as anything use common knowledge, maybe the water is contaminated, so you risk poisoning... you might be allergic to shellfish like my mother was... do not eat rotten fish... the food from the sea is better eaten fresh, so keep it refrigerated or frozen, and not longer than advisable, etc.

                      Peace Brother
                      I do not know.
                      I like fish a lot but have left it for the last 5 years thinking that it is dead meat (maitah) or Strangled one.
                      That is why I am asking From Quran experts.
                      Regards

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                        If this would help, the Quran tell us the Prophet Moses used to eat Fish

                        1862
                        1863

                        1862 And when they passed further on, he said to his youth Bring us our lunch; we have found much fatigue in this journey of ours.
                        1863 He said Do you remember when we rested upon the rock? I forgot the fish, and it was the devil who made me forget to remember it. It made its way back to the sea amazingly!

                        I hope now you can go back and enjoy eating the tasty sea food that our Lord created for us to enjoy.

                        Peace Brother
                        I was not expecting at least from you to avoid my question of "how to kill halaal animals for eating puposes"
                        If you do not have answer which I guess you do not, there is no need for wasting time anymore.
                        Regards

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                          Peace Brother
                          I was not expecting at least from you to avoid my question of "how to kill halaal animals for eating puposes"
                          If you do not have answer which I guess you do not, there is no need for wasting time anymore.
                          Regards

                          Peace,
                          The best known way that was old practiced by Jews (Kosher slaughter ) and then by Christian and Moslem is to do the following

                          The slaughter should be performed by a specially trained person

                          The knife should be long (16 inches for cattle and other large animals and 12 inches for sheep) and razor-sharp and should be used to slaughter the animal in a single, unbroken move

                          The knife should be inspected by the slaughter person for sharpness and damage before every animal is slaughtered

                          A blessing should be given before entering the kill floor

                          The oesophagus, trachea, jugular veins and carotid arteries should be cut without damaging the spinal marrow

                          The blood should be totally drained

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                            si_di
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                            Salam,

                            I don't believe that in the Reading everything from the sea is allowed
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                            If predators by land are not allowed to eat than logically the same is for seahunter we should look what is meant by catch of the sea in surat bacara.

                            stay connected

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                              Zulf
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                              Salam,

                              I don't believe that in the Reading everything from the sea is allowed
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                              If predators by land are not allowed to eat than logically the same is for seahunter we should look what is meant by catch of the sea in surat bacara.

                              stay connected

                              Does it mention anything from the sea that is prohibited?

                              What about chicken? Don't they eat worms and centipedes etc? Doesn't that make them predators? Is chicken prohibited then?

                              Peace

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                                mmkhan
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                                Salam,

                                I don't believe that in the Reading everything from the sea is allowed
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                                If predators by land are not allowed to eat than logically the same is for seahunter we should look what is meant by catch of the sea in surat bacara.

                                stay connected

                                Salaam,

                                Red How did you reach to this conclusion? Do you have any aayat to support?

                                May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                mmKhan

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                                  si_di
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                                  No, but it does not mention that everything from sea is eatable.

                                  596
                                  Lawful for you is the catch of the sea, to eat it as enjoyment for you and for those who travel; and unlawful for you is the catch of the land as long as you are under restriction; and be aware of God to whom you will be gathered.

                                  This is the FM-Translation with a missinng word after catch of the sea "wa taamahu"

                                  If everything from sea is allowed then there would be no distinction from" catch of the sea and his food "

                                  So what does "saydul bahr" mean?

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                                    mmkhan
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                                    Does it mention anything from the sea that is prohibited?

                                    What about chicken? Don't they eat worms and centipedes etc? Doesn't that make them predators? Is chicken prohibited then?

                                    Peace

                                    Salaam,

                                    As per 1614 all foods from ocean is halaal. And as per 6145 all foods are halaal except for the mentioned ones. But there are preferred ones, please click here to check it out.

                                    May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                    mmKhan

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                                      mmkhan
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                                      No, but it does not mention that everything from sea is eatable.

                                      596
                                      Lawful for you is the catch of the sea, to eat it as enjoyment for you and for those who travel; and unlawful for you is the catch of the land as long as you are under restriction; and be aware of God to whom you will be gathered.

                                      This is the FM-Translation with a missinng word after catch of the sea "wa taamahu"

                                      If everything from sea is allowed then there would be no distinction from" catch of the sea and his food "

                                      So what does "saydul bahr" mean?

                                      Salaam,

                                      Please check my post above.

                                      May Allah bless you pr
                                      mmKhan

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                                        JavaLatte
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                                        I don't believe that in the Reading everything from the sea is allowed

                                        I prefer to believe that wild sea animals which we take/catch (and also wild fishes from lakes and rivers) are lawful to eat.

                                        Ever slaughter fishes? Not too much blood coming out, so it's not as scary as slaughtering the animals that live on land.

                                        However, to be honest, I don't support the brutal dolphin hunts. Dolphins are sweet and friendly animals, so I prefer to not eat them.

                                        Salm.

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                                          si_di
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                                          Salam mmkhan,

                                          To understand 6145 you had to post it together with 51"O you who believe, honor your contracts. Made lawful for you are the animals of the livestock, except that which is being recited to you. You are not permitted to hunt the game while you are under restriction. God decrees as He pleases."

                                          So grazing animals are lawful except that which is beeing recited in 6145"Yusuf Ali Say "I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination - or, what is impious, (meat) on which a name has been invoked, other than Allah's". But (even so), if a person is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- thy Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

                                          So every grazing animals are lawful but not the following of 6145 dead animals or blood poured forth(every animal that is bleeding when you cut its vens)...every big fish which is splashing blood falls under this category..
                                          @Javalatte
                                          Watch Videos of Tuna fishing and you'll see how much blood is coming out of a 600pound of fish.
                                          stay connected

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