What if you kill a non-believer?

afridi220

I see now thanks

but how do i know it's a believeing slave? is there another plausible word other than believing in this verse?

i'll search tomorrow

Qur'an 2177 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow)
It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the Prophets; and giveth his wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God fearing.

Yosemite

thanks, that was clear and yet short

unknownuser

493 And it is not for a believer to kill another believer except by accident. And whoever kills a believer by accident, then he shall set free a believing slave, and give compensation to the family; except if they remit it. If he was from a people who are enemies to you, and he was a believer, then you shall set free a believing slave. And if he was from a people between whom you had a covenant, then a compensation to his family, and set free a believing slave. Whoever does not find, then the fasting of two months sequentially as a repentance from God; God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
493 And whoever kills a believer intentionally, then his reward shall be Hell, eternally abiding therein, and God will be angry with him, and curse him, and for him is prepared a great retribution.

What happens if you kill a non-believer? Thats the question. voodoo

Non believers/those from whom we aren't safe, are in danger of death - IS THAT WHAT IT MEANS?

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000137.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000138.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000139.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000140.pdf

peace

Rami

Non believers/those from whom we aren't safe, are in danger of death - IS THAT WHAT IT MEANS?

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000137.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000138.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000139.pdf

http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000140.pdf

peace

Thanks for these valuable links. The word 'mushrik' is used in contrast to the word 'momin'. And 'mushrik' are OK to kill according to chapter 9. Therefore, momin is sacred life. The difference between a Momin and a Mushrik is the Salat and Zakat. So anyone who doesn't do Salat and Zakat can be killed without penalty.

95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the Mushriks wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and hold the Salat and Zakat, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

Peace.

Recluse

You'll earn yourself paradise with 72 virgins when you die..

Now what would happens if you kill TWO non-believers..
Then you'll earn yourself paradise with 144 virgins when you die..

What am I waiting for??? I'm going to kill my neighbours downstairs; an old man aged 88 with his wife - and demand my 144 virgins!! Estagfirullah. God, I hate those who have reduced our religion to a Satanic ideology (

Recluse

There is not much mercy shown in any war or conflict.

I agree. There is a world of difference between how God wants us to behave and how humans choose to behave. Sad but true.

unknownuser

95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the Mushriks wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and hold the Salat and Zakat, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

Peace.

Surely you don't believe this , do you? if you don't what do you think it's all about? hmm

Salaams.

Rami

Surely you don't believe this , do you? if you don't what do you think it's all about? hmm

Salaams.

I think it is allowed only in the holy land the one that harbors the House. Kinda remind me of the OT wars. Faith cleansing. ;D

unknownuser

I think it is allowed only in the holy land the one that harbors the House. Kinda remind me of the OT wars. Faith cleansing. ;D

Without meaning anything, if that only applies to holy lands, then would you agree that the following can apply to every where else?

95
Then if they pass the forbidden limits then fight and kill the pagans wherever you find them.and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and hold a meeting and abide by what is agreed, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.? peace

or not?

God Bless All.

Rami

Without meaning anything, if that only applies to holy lands, then would you agree that the following can apply to every where else?

95
Then if they pass the forbidden limits then fight and kill the pagans wherever you find them.and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and hold a meeting and abide by what is agreed, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.? peace

or not?

God Bless All.

I don't think so since Salat has some connection to the House. So the area around the House should be clean of idolatry. Anywhere else the idolatry should be left alone away from holy territory. Whatever that is. D

unknownuser

I don't think so since Salat has some connection to the House. So the area around the House should be clean of idolatry. Anywhere else the idolatry should be left alone away from holy territory. Whatever that is.

Okay.

Rev_John

I don't think so since Salat has some connection to the House. So the area around the House should be clean of idolatry. Anywhere else the idolatry should be left alone away from holy territory. Whatever that is. D

What is holy territory?

Jack

...So anyone who doesn't do Salat and Zakat can be killed without penalty.

Let's not take verses out of their context.

913 clearly shows they (mushriks) are the aggressors... This 'killing' is in self-defense.

Rami

What is holy territory?

It is the place of all the Quranic stories. Noah, Ad, Thamud, Midian, Lot, Mitzraim, Baca etc.

Rami

Let's not take verses out of their context.

913 clearly shows they (mushriks) are the aggressors... This 'killing' is in self-defense.

But why are they the aggressors???

Because they are blocking the path to the House and defiling it with their idolatry....they are aggressors because they are mushriks so the only way they will get spared is to establish the Salat and Zakat or otherwise they either get out or DIE!

abdalquran

Salam Rami,

I think you have a number of assumptions in your reading which are unwarranted, such as

That 91-12 is somehow connected with 835. There is no evidence for this.
The word '3inda al-bait' in 835 means within the precincts of the kaaba. From this assumption, you have imported the entire traditional myth about how the kaaba in makkah used to have 360 idols and thus u assumed that 'salat' here is their ritual prayers.
That the Quran is geographically localised to 'holy lands'. Sorry but this has no evidence. The events in Quran are happening as we speak, albeit with different actors. The script is the same.
You have interpreted 91-12 with a distinctly religious flavour. Do you think, given the spirit of Quran, God wants believers to kill off people to pray to statues?

somethings to think about, if thats ok.

abdalquran

Without meaning anything, if that only applies to holy lands, then would you agree that the following can apply to every where else?
95
Then if they pass the forbidden limits then fight and kill the pagans wherever you find them.and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and hold a meeting and abide by what is agreed, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.? peace
or not?
God Bless All.

Simple, your interpreation contradicts the context. Can you please look at 92. It says 'travel through the land for 4 ashhur'. How do you interpret this as 'limits'. Furthermore, the word 'limits' approximates to the word 'hudood' which actually is translated as limits. Hope you can explain this one.

abdalquran

Let's not take verses out of their context.

913 clearly shows they (mushriks) are the aggressors... This 'killing' is in self-defense.

This is strengthened by the phrase 'ahadtum min al-mushrikeen' in 91. ''ahadtum' is 'you contracted'. So there is a contract here and the mushirkeen reneged on it.

Rami

That 91-12 is somehow connected with 835. There is no evidence for this.

This is because there are various kinds of people in the Quran...

Muslim - Believe in one God and the Last Day and practice Salat and Zakat=the only religion accepted by God.
Mushrik - Set up partners, reject the Last Day, practice crooked Salat and no Zakat.
Rejectors from the people of the Book - Rejected the Salat and Zakat and/or don't judge by scripture.
Mominoon - Believe in revelations of Mohammed in addition to being Muslims.

So the Quran guides the Muslims to become Believers and so Islam is complemented with the Book.

The word '3inda al-bait' in 835 means within the precincts of the kaaba. From this assumption, you have imported the entire traditional myth about how the kaaba in makkah used to have 360 idols and thus u assumed that 'salat' here is their ritual prayers.

The Quran says that their Salat was clapping and whistling. This most probably mean that Salat should be polite and in a moderate tone speech.

That the Quran is geographically localised to 'holy lands'. Sorry but this has no evidence. The events in Quran are happening as we speak, albeit with different actors. The script is the same.

This doctrine is nowehre to be found in the Quran, all previous nations that were destroyed were near where Mohammed lived. The Quran asks the followers of the prophet to walk through the land and see the fate of the rejectors. The town of Lot was passed by the prophet and his companions day and night. Moses was in Midian and talked about Shuaib as being nearby then they moved to an area near Sodom. Moses also promised Jethro a couple of pilgrimages. And finally the Quran states that we are narrating the tales of the villages around you.

You have interpreted 91-12 with a distinctly religious flavour. Do you think, given the spirit of Quran, God wants believers to kill off people to pray to statues?

If they defile God's house, they must be corrected. They can't be tolerated.

somethings to think about, if thats ok.

Love the hostility. bravo

abdalquran

Firstly, let me just say that where I come from saying ?something to think about, if that?s ok? does not constitute hostility. If that?s how you construed it, then I apologise and rephrase it to ?just my humble comments?.

This is because there are various kinds of people in the Quran...
Muslim - Believe in one God and the Last Day and practice Salat and Zakat=the only religion accepted by God.
Mushrik - Set up partners, reject the Last Day, practice crooked Salat and no Zakat.
Rejectors from the people of the Book - Rejected the Salat and Zakat and/or don't judge by scripture.
Mominoon - Believe in revelations of Mohammed in addition to being Muslims.
So the Quran guides the Muslims to become Believers and so Islam is complemented with the Book.

How you define ?muslim? is incorrect. A muslim isn?t defined by belief but by actions, in this case compliance with God?s laws. See 4914, the a?raabu were told not not to call themselves mumin but muslim because iman had not entered their hearts.

Similarly, mumin isn?t about believing in the revelations of Muhammad either. If you see ayah like 4136 you will find that the Quran isn?t mentioned at all. Its about rather believing in God, angels, writings (not all his writings either), messengers and the last day. No Quran is mentioned either.

The Quran says that their Salat was clapping and whistling. This most probably mean that Salat should be polite and in a moderate tone speech.

?Whistling? and ?clapping? are traditional interpretations which presuppose that salat is a ritual. You will not find such backing from Quran itself. A better interpretation is ?slander? and ?opposition? respectively. ?Tasdiya? in the Quran is used in other places to mean this.

This doctrine is nowehre to be found in the Quran, all previous nations that were destroyed were near where Mohammed lived. The Quran asks the followers of the prophet to walk through the land and see the fate of the rejectors. The town of Lot was passed by the prophet and his companions day and night. Moses was in Midian and talked about Shuaib as being nearby then they moved to an area near Sodom. Moses also promised Jethro a couple of pilgrimages. And finally the Quran states that we are narrating the tales of the villages around you.

You say ?this doctrine is nowhere to be found? by which you refer to my following statement ?The events in Quran are happening as we speak, albeit with different actors. The script is the same.?

Perhaps you should take a look 83/17 When Our Signs are rehearsed to him, he says, "Tales of the ancients!"

The Quran isn?t expecting us to do an Indiana jones and going to find ancient cities to explain it (although it does want us to see what happened to them ? something completely different) nor does it want us to read ancient myths (essentially what hadiths are). When you say ?the town of lot was passed by the prophet?, you are effectively saying that ayah is dead because it simply doesn?t apply now.

If they defile God's house, they must be corrected. They can't be tolerated.

So if a person went the kaaba today, danced around a bit and clapped, we should draw our swords out and show him to behave? Do you have evidence for this law?