Free-Minds.org is another Sect...like Suni and Shia Sects.
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I'm not a Quran aloner, but I'm not a sunni or shia either. What am I ???
you are a sunni aloner
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Please read this.
The best thing you can advise him to do is to pray. It is essential for him to understand that not praying is kufr that puts one beyond the pale of Islam, and that if he dies when he is not praying then he will have died a death of Jaahiliyyah, and will have died as an apostate
http//forums.islamicawakening.com/f16/does-not-praying-make-you-kaffir-mushrik-28262/Okay... Read these
When Hz. Abu Bakr became the first Caliph, he wrote a letter to certain apostate tribes, explaining how he became a Muslim
"I praise the true God, besides whom there is none to be worshipped. I declare that Allah is One, without partner, and Muhammad is His servant and messenger. We affirm the message of Allah which he brought us. He who denies it, is a kafir." (Tarikh Tabari, Urdu translation, vol. i, part iv, p. 3"He who says, 'There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger', with the tongue but does not confirm it in his heart, there is no doubt that in the Hereafter he shall be included among the unbelievers, and shall enter hell. But there is also no doubt that, so far as affairs of this world are concerned, the religious and secular authorities shall include him among the Muslims because it is not known what is in his heart, and we are obliged to accept what is on his tongue." (Ihya al-Ulum, p. 97)
"And the Holy Prophet said 'Three things are the basis of our faith he who says the Kalima with his tongue, do not call him kafir, for any sin, nor expel him from Islam for any misconduct'." (Hujjat-ullah al-Baligha, vol. i, ch. The second type of belief, p. 322)
"It is written that if an atheist, or an idol worshipper, or one who believes in gods besides the One God, were to merely say, There is no god but Allah, he enters Islam. Or if he were to say, I believe Muhammad to be the messenger of God, he enters Islam. This is because the deniers of Islam refrain from saying these two formulae. Hence if he were to declare even one of these two commandments, he would be taken out of the category called non-Muslim, and would be considered as a Muslim." (Lisan al-Hukam, p. 204)
"He who wishes to be from among the community of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, must say with his tongue, There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and affirm its meaning in his heart. He is then a Muslim, even though he may not know about the duties and prohibitions." (p. 34 of the edition published by Da'irat al-Mu`arif of Egypt)
"Abu Bakr said O messenger of Allah, what is salvation? The Holy Prophet said He who accepts the Kalima which I put before my uncle , but which he rejected, that is the means of salvation." (Mishkat al-Masabih, Book of Faith, ch. 1, sec. 3)
"It is related from Abu Salama that his mother had expressed a dying wish that a Muslim slave-girl should be freed on her behalf. So he asked the Holy Prophet about it and wondered if he should set free a black slave-girl from the city of Nobiyya whom he owned. The Holy Prophet said Bring her here. When she came, he said to her Who is your Lord? She said Allah. He said Who am I? She said The messenger of Allah. He said Go and free her, she is a believer." (Tarjuman al-Sunna, vol. ii, p. 12
"Anas reported that the Holy Prophet said There is no one who testifies truly from his heart that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, but Allah prohibits for him the fire of hell." (Mishkat al-Masabih, Book of Faith, ch. 1, sec. 1)
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Are brainless like 19ers and Khalafites who have rejected two verses of the Quran ?
Do not turn your face away from people in contempt, nor go about in the land exultingly. (Q. 311
The believers are brethren, so make peace between your brethren... Do not find fault with your own people, nor call one another by (bad) nick?names. (Q. 4910-12)
Call (others) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the best manner. (Q. 16125)
Speak good words to all people. (Q. 283)
You are showing yourself to be worse than those whom you reject (i.e. Dr. Rashad Khalifa and the "International Submitters"... Allah is the Best of judges, and He will judge equitably...
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i heard that a person can't recite the shahada until they first learn how to pray and rest of pillars... because if they said the shahada and didn't know how to pray, they'd be muslims who don't pray and that's not good, so they first need to learn how to do things, then say it and officially enter this exclusive club P
That's incorrect. See my reply up above; there are hadiyths stating that a person is to be declared a Muslim upon reciting the kaliyma, even if they don't know how to pray, perform salaat, or know about any of the Islaamic rituals... For example
"He who wishes to be from among the community of the Holy Prophet Muhammad, must say with his tongue, There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and affirm its meaning in his heart. He is then a Muslim, even though he may not know about the duties and prohibitions." (p. 34 of the edition published by Da'irat al-Mu`arif of Egypt)
"Abu Bakr said O messenger of Allah, what is salvation? The Holy Prophet said He who accepts the Kalima which I put before my uncle , but which he rejected, that is the means of salvation." (Mishkat al-Masabih, Book of Faith, ch. 1, sec. 3)
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Do not turn your face away from people in contempt, nor go about in the land exultingly. (Q. 311
The believers are brethren, so make peace between your brethren... Do not find fault with your own people, nor call one another by (bad) nick?names. (Q. 4910-12)
Call (others) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the best manner. (Q. 16125)
Speak good words to all people. (Q. 283)
You are showing yourself to be worse than those whom you reject (i.e. Dr. Rashad Khalifa and the "International Submitters"... Allah is the Best of judges, and He will judge equitably...
Peace
How can that person be a believer who not only outrightly rejects the Quran and puts the Blame on the Quran to be a LIAR ?Regards
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You're receiving your information from some false sources or something, buddy. According to the doctrines of Sunni Islaam, a person becomes a Muslim by publicly reciting the shahaada/kaliyma (i.e. "La ilaaha illa Allah wa Muhammad al rasuwl Allah". After that, nobody can declare you a "kafir", or otherwise they place themselves outside the fold of Islaam. The only Judge is Allah...
I went specifically to islam-qa because their fatawa are issued by licensed, qualified, real scholars who are supervised by Shiekh Al-Munajjid. Clearly you don?t know how sunnism works.
It is reported on the authority of Ibn `Umar that the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) said Any person who calls his brother O Unbeliever! (then the truth of this label) would return to one of them. If it is true, (then it is) as he asserted, (but if it is not true), then it returns to him (and thus the person who made the accusation is an Unbeliever).
http//www.themodernreligion.com/ugly/kafr.htmlSunnis not take hadith ?raw? unless it suits them. They need their priests to tell them what to do. You quoting this to them won?t mean a thing unless their priest ok?s it.
Another ridiculous argument... ) I don't have to take a poll in order to see what the majority are posting concerning other groups and their beliefs. It simply takes an observant reader...
Well, if YOU?RE observant (and quoted aaill.info as a SUNNI source), then I?m a monkey?s uncle.
The salaat is based on a reading from the Qur'aan. Certain Sunnis don't even consider the "tahiya" to be obligatory, but those who perform it do so in Arabic simply because the rest of the salaat is in Arabic. If the salaat was in English, then the "tahiya" would also be in English.
Again, nonsense. Consult ?authentic prayer of the prophet? by Shiekh Nasiruddin Al-Albanee and you will see all the pillars of salat. This is confirmed by the 4 madhabib. One of the 13 pillars is the last tahiya. But you can continue living in your delusions if it helps.
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Peace
How can that person be a believer who not only outrightly rejects the Quran and puts the Blame on the Quran to be a LIAR ?Regards
It's no big deal. Sunnis have been doing it for centuries. Have you heard of the verse of stoning? According to hadith, there used to be a AYAH to stone but it was somehow lost (but NOT abrogated). So sunnis admit it themselves, they were CARELESS with Quran. RK at least had his code, lol .
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It's no big deal. Sunnis have been doing it for centuries. Have you heard of the verse of stoning? According to hadith, there used to be a AYAH to stone but it was somehow lost (but NOT abrogated). So sunnis admit it themselves, they were CARELESS with Quran. RK at least had his code, lol .
Who soever rejects even a single word of Quran ,no matter he is Sunni or Non sunni or Rk ,he is not a muslim.
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Who soever rejects even a single word of Quran ,no matter he is Sunni or Non sunni or Rk ,he is not a muslim.
RegardsBeing a muslim or a mumin has nothing to do with accepting the quran. Both have to do with one's internal and external states. The Quran is simply the map. You can find your way without the map. The map just makes life easier.
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Being a muslim or a mumin has nothing to do with accepting the quran. Both have to do with one's internal and external states. The Quran is simply the map. You can find your way without the map. The map just makes life easier.
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According to Quran Eemaan on all revealed Books is MUST to be a muslim .Regards
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Peace ;
According to Quran Eemaan on all revealed Books is MUST to be a muslim .Regards
Huh, that?s how you read 3/84?!
Firstly, there are no BOOKS mentioned. Secondly, it commands us to say we BELIEVE and THEN to say we are muslim to God. It never says this is a prerequisite to becoming muslim.
Becoming muslim has nothing to do with iman. Have a look at 49/14, a?raabu were told say ?we are muslim? BEFORE iman enters their hearts.
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Huh, that?s how you read 3/84?!
Firstly, there are no BOOKS mentioned. Secondly, it commands us to say we BELIEVE and THEN to say we are muslim to God. It never says this is a prerequisite to becoming muslim.
Becoming muslim has nothing to do with iman. Have a look at 49/14, a?raabu were told say ?we are muslim? BEFORE iman enters their hearts.
No comments because you have recognized it yourself what is Islam
The waw used in the verse is the waw of "state"
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How can that person be a believer who not only outrightly rejects the Quran and puts the Blame on the Quran to be a LIAR ?
Please quote Rashad Khalifa's statement on this. I want to see exactly where he said the words, "The Qur'aan is a liar..." or "I reject the Qur'aan, and it is false..." Do you have any proof of this claim, or are you speaking unverifiable nonsense?
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No comments because you have recognized it yourself what is Islam
The waw used in the verse is the waw of "state"
RegardsAt this point, I would ask for evidence but I know you don't have any. Keep hiding behind your made up grammar rules, Q-student. Even though your interpretations contradict the Quran.
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I went specifically to islam-qa because their fatawa are issued by licensed, qualified, real scholars who are supervised by Shiekh Al-Munajjid. Clearly you don?t know how sunnism works.
Well, tell us all how Sunnism works, since you're so knowledgeable... By the way, I can see that YOU don't know how Sunnism works because you keep catagorizing Sunnis as some sort of huge orthodox sect. As I already mentioned several times, Sunni Islaam has several branches within it, and the members of the separate groups don't all believe and practice the same things, nor do they always have the same interpretations of certain Qur'aanic verses and hadiyths... I guess you're not such a good reader, eh?
Sunnis not take hadith ?raw? unless it suits them. They need their priests to tell them what to do. You quoting this to them won?t mean a thing unless their priest ok?s it.
Sunnis? What Sunnis?!
Well, if YOU?RE observant (and quoted aaill.info as a SUNNI source), then I?m a monkey?s uncle.
Well, okay then, Uncle Monkey... D
Again, nonsense. Consult ?authentic prayer of the prophet? by Shiekh Nasiruddin Al-Albanee and you will see all the pillars of salat. This is confirmed by the 4 madhabib. One of the 13 pillars is the last tahiya. But you can continue living in your delusions if it helps.
What does this have to do with the language of the salaat?
The prayers of Muhammad (according to the sunna) did NOT always include "tahiya", which is why most Sunnis refer to it as optional. In fact, the commonly practiced prayer among Sunnis, "Tahiyaatul Maasjid", is always considered optional, NOT OBLIGATORY... Maybe, instead of studying books and reading websites, you need to get off your computer, walk into a Sunni mosque, and ask them how they conduct themselves and what they believe. From posting what you read on these websites and in these books, you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about, and any Sunni reading this site would call you an idiot for posting most of the things you're posting about them... nope
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Well, tell us all how Sunnism works, since you're so knowledgeable... By the way, I can see that YOU don't know how Sunnism works because you keep catagorizing Sunnis as some sort of huge orthodox sect. As I already mentioned several times, Sunni Islaam has several branches within it, and the members of the separate groups don't all believe and practice the same things, nor do they always have the same interpretations of certain Qur'aanic verses and hadiyths... I guess you're not such a good reader, eh?
That?s why I asked you to consult the COMPENDIUM of sunni laws. In there ,you can see the laws compared side by side. But no, you?re so intelligent, you quote AHMEDI websites and try to pass it off as SUNNI opinion. You obviously don?t know the process of ijtihad.
What does this have to do with the language of the salaat?
If you actually read the book, you?ll know that its CONSENSUS among the 4 madhabib that salat ?prayers? can only done in Arabic. I don?t think you?ve studied much though. I think you?re here to misinform the forum about sunnism. Good luck to you.
The prayers of Muhammad (according to the sunna) did NOT always include "tahiya", which is why most Sunnis refer to it as optional. In fact, the commonly practiced prayer among Sunnis, "Tahiyaatul Maasjid", is always considered optional, NOT OBLIGATORY... Maybe, instead of studying books and reading websites, you need to get off your computer, walk into a Sunni mosque, and ask them how they conduct themselves and what they believe. From posting what you read on these websites and in these books, you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about, and any Sunni reading this site would call you an idiot for posting most of the things you're posting about them... nope
LOL, now you?re mentioning tahiyatul masjid. Oh boy, I can see this ain?t gonna be easy. I wasn?t talking about a supererogatory prayer, pal. I was talking about a du?a read IN the obligatory salat prayers. Tahiya which goes ?at-tahiyatul mubarakatu as-salawatu tayyiabatu lillah?? You don?t know about this du?a? I?m not surprised.
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peace,
Before debating with you, are you speaking on behalf of Free.minds.org? Or you are debating your own understanding.
No single person represents free-minds.org, no person represents "islam", no person represents "al quran" etc. I am simply asking some questions.
Please answer them in your next reply, as they are relatively simple
Why did Joseph opt for not cutting off the hand(s) for theft?
What happens when one steals a small item, such as a pen?Please carefully read the article I referenced.
And also ponder upon http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598206.0 -
peace,
No single person represents free-minds.org, no person represents "islam", no person represents "al quran" etc. I am simply asking some questions.
Peace all,
Wakas, why do not admit that when free.minds.org stated, in Writings, its understanding of Quran in the WELCOME page and not in the Article page, the Forum became sectarian.
Why did Joseph opt for not cutting off the hand(s) for theft?
There was no thief...that is why no one was punished.
What happens when one steals a small item, such as a pen?
well, up to 19 century, such a person was hanged to death in most of the world (except in Moslem Societies because the Max punishment is Cutting Off Hands).
Again, the punishment is Well-Established in QuranAs for the thief, both male and female, you shall cut off their hands their resources as a penalty for what they have earned to be made an example of from God. God is Noble, Wise.
538Please carefully read the article I referenced.
And also ponder upon http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598206.0I read it, and clearly it shows the author doesn't like the idea of cutting hand, and therefore, he followed non-well-established verses to cancel out the well-established meaning in 5-38 (Cut off Hands)...And my opinion about the author is the same as in 3-7.
peace
