Zul-Kifl
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Peace,
I think the purpose of mentioning "Zul Kifl" in the scripture is to illustrate the idea that God's messengers come from ALL nations and people, not just the Jews. That's why many Muslims today identify "Zul Kifl" as Buddha, who preached a message of peace and hope for his people in India.
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Peace,
Respectfully.Not to cause a glitch in the matrix but not everything in The Quran is meant for the year 2009 and The West.
The Quran is one Extra-Ordinary Book and goes for the time it was compiled to the Last Day. God knows best. It works/functions for all humans/places/situations.Thank God,
Hvala Bogu,
AlhamdilAllah.Glory be to God,
Glory be to The MOST Merciful.
As salamu alaykum. -
Salam Ahmad, whats up with you studing?
Yeah, i heard opinion about Zul-Kifl being a Buddha. Also read that he may be Ezekiel from OT. But these r conjectures, u know.
"Zul-Kifl"
Kaf-Fa-Lam = To take care of, nourish, bring up for another, be guardian of, be responsible for, entrust, stand security or surety.
kafala vb. (1)
impf. act. 344, 2040, 2812kafil n.m. 1691
kifl n.m. 485, 5728
dhu al-kifl n. 2185, 3848
kaffala vb. (2) perf. act. 337
akfala vb. (4) impv. 3823
LL, V8, p 255
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Waalaykum Assalam, Alen. U r right, but what about my question, brother? )
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Salaam Ibrahim-Khalil,
Yeah, i heard opinion about Zul-Kifl being a Buddha. Also read that he may be Ezekiel from OT. But these r conjectures, u know.
This is true, and we don't specifically know for sure. However, "Zul Kifl" (or "Dhul Kifl" doesn't bear any resemblence to Ezekiel, other than the idea that they both end with the letter "L"... It ties in, though, with the story of Buddha. The word "dhu" means belonging to or possessing, and "kifl" is often regarded as the Arabic transliteration of "Kipl", the place where Siddhartha Guatama, the "Buddha", was born. Coincidentally, he preached a message of peace ("al islaam"?), and he often spoke of the "middle path" ("siraatul mustaqiym"?). The Qur'aanic mention of him in Q. 2185-86 mentions him among the "patient ones", which is one of the main doctrines that Buddha taught to his people...
Just a thought.
Peace,
Ahmad
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thanks, Ahmad, that was interesting.
"and "kifl" is often regarded as the Arabic transliteration of "Kipl".
Can u tell me a lil bit more about this, or, maybe some links.
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"and "kifl" is often regarded as the Arabic transliteration of "Kipl".
Can u tell me a lil bit more about this, or, maybe some links.
Sure... Maulana Manazir Ahsan Gilani, a famous Deobandi Islaamic scholar, agreed with the proposed argument that Buddha was a prophet (or at least messenger) of Allah, and many of his teachings were similar to Islaamic principles. In fact, there were already others who were proposing the idea that Jesus was a "buddha", and he actually taught many of his teachings to the Indian Buddhists, especially concerning peace, harmony, piety, and poverty... Siddhartha Guatama was born in a place called Kapil-Avastu, which is often shortened to "Kapil". Since Arabic doesn't have the letter "P" in it's alphabet, many Islaamic scholars are suggesting that it is replaced with an "F", making the Arabic transliteration of "Kapil" (or Kipl) to be "Kifl". Therefore, the meaning of "Dhul-Kifl" would be "the one from/belonging to Kipl"... These same ideas were proposed by Naziri and Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, who I think was the first to openly suggest it...
This gives the BASIC basics of that concept... )
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-KiflIt's very unlikely that "Dhul-Kifl" is referring to Ezekiel. Ezekiel is an anglicized version of the Hebrew name "Yechezqial", which is "Heziqiyal" in Arabic. It would, however, apply to Buddha. Even if we take the most common meaning of "dhul" (possessor of), this could still apply to Buddha, since his father is said to have been the ruler of the land of Kapil, making Siddhartha Guatama the ruling prince of that area. Also, the concept of substituting the "P" for the "F" is not unusual either, since this is often the case with Arabic names like "Palestine" and "Persia", which are given a "Fa" instead of a "P". The same could easily be applied to Kapil (or Kipl), turning "Kipl" into "Kifl"...
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Sure... Maulana Manazir Ahsan Gilani, a famous Deobandi Islaamic scholar, agreed with the proposed argument that Buddha was a prophet (or at least messenger) of Allah, and many of his teachings were similar to Islaamic principles. In fact, there were already others who were proposing the idea that Jesus was a "buddha", and he actually taught many of his teachings to the Indian Buddhists, especially concerning peace, harmony, piety, and poverty... Siddhartha Guatama was born in a place called Kapil-Avastu, which is often shortened to "Kapil". Since Arabic doesn't have the letter "P" in it's alphabet, many Islaamic scholars are suggesting that it is replaced with an "F", making the Arabic transliteration of "Kapil" (or Kipl) to be "Kifl". Therefore, the meaning of "Dhul-Kifl" would be "the one from/belonging to Kipl"... These same ideas were proposed by Naziri and Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, who I think was the first to openly suggest it...
This gives the BASIC basics of that concept... )
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-KiflIt's very unlikely that "Dhul-Kifl" is referring to Ezekiel. Ezekiel is an anglicized version of the Hebrew name "Yechezqial", which is "Heziqiyal" in Arabic. It would, however, apply to Buddha. Even if we take the most common meaning of "dhul" (possessor of), this could still apply to Buddha, since his father is said to have been the ruler of the land of Kapil, making Siddhartha Guatama the ruling prince of that area. Also, the concept of substituting the "P" for the "F" is not unusual either, since this is often the case with Arabic names like "Palestine" and "Persia", which are given a "Fa" instead of a "P". The same could easily be applied to Kapil (or Kipl), turning "Kipl" into "Kifl"...
bravo Thanks for the information.
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If the informations are 100 % correct from where did Mr. mullana got these informations.
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad first suggested this idea when debating with some Islaamic scholars regarding the prophethood of "Dhul-Kifl". They claimed that he was the Biblical prophet "Ezekiel", mentioned in the Tanakh among the Jewish prophets, even saying that his tomb still lies in Iraq in a city called "Kefil". Perhaps this is true... However, Maulana Abul Kalam Azad wrote in his Qur'aanic commentary ("Tarjiman ul Qur'aan" that he believed it to refer to Buddha, since the scripture clearly mentions that prophets and messengers were sent to EVERY nation on the earth, not just to the Jews. He suggested that "Kifl" may be the Arabic transliteration of "Kipl", especially since the Arabic language doesn't have a "P", and in titles relating to this, the "P" is often replaced with a "B" or an "F", since these are the closest in pronounciation.
Even if "Dhul-Kifl" isn't referring specifically to Buddha, we still must acknowledge that fact that God sent prophets and messengers to EVERY nation (or community of people), and this includes now-idolized righteous teachers, such as Buddha, Khrisha, and Jesus, who all preached a message of peace and submission. Personally, I think "Dhul-Kifl" (or "Zul-Kifl" may be referring to Buddha; but even if it isn't, it doesn't change this concept at all, since he can still be viewed as a messenger of God, who's message to his people was amazingly similar to the messages of the prophets Jesus and Muhammad.
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Thanks man, but where did u get all that from? ) i mean, i didnt find all this on wikipedia's page.
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You may be right, Ahmad.
Dhul = possessor of
Kifl = KapilavastuSiddharta Gautama (commonly known as "Buddha" was a prince - a prince of Kapilavastu, hence the title/name "dhul kifl" (Possessor of Kapilavastu). Wiki says that he was born in Nepal in ca. 563 BCE and died in ca. 483 BCE in Kushinagar, today in India.
Another theory (from http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhul-Kifl)
Kifl is an archaic Arabic word meaning "double" or "duplicate", from a root meaning "to double" or "to fold"; it was also used of a fold of cloth. The name is generally understood to mean "possessor of a double portion".
The reason people believe Ezekiel to be Dhul Kifl is when the exile, monarchy, and state were annihilated, a political and national life was no longer possible. In the absence of a worldly foundation it became necessary to build a spiritual one. Ezekiel performed this mission by observing the signs of the time and deducing his doctrines from them. In conformity with the two parts of his book, his personality and his preaching are alike twofold, and the title Dhul Kifl means "the one to double" or "to fold".
In addition to this Baidawi, the Qur'anic exegete, said that this name was given because Dhul Kifl had to do double the work of other prophets.QRT and the old FM translation call him "Isaiah".
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Thanks man, but where did u get all that from? ) i mean, i didnt find all this on wikipedia's page.
Oh, sorry about that, bro. I got that from reading Maulana Abul Kalam Azad's book on it, in his Qur'aanic commentary. It's in Urdu, but there are English translations too... There are some other sources that mention it online too.
http//islam.pakistanway.com/showtopic.aspx?topicid=247&typeid=24
http//www.buddhism-guide.com/buddhism/gautama_buddha.htm#Islam
http//www.alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/prophets.htmlYou can probably just google them... peace
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Thanks a lot, brother