The Maldives and its Judiciary
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salam Munzir,
I would say that 22000 hits is quite catchy. So we should start the movement out in the open just as a local sunna promoting Association by the name of SALAFI have started by bringing scholars such as Bilal Philips to lecture the public. However, I would say that this would be a difficult task since freedom of rights granted by the constitution states that the constitution guarantees fundamental rights and freedom to all persons, in a manner that is not contrary to any tenet of Islam. Now we are faced with the dilemma of tackling the actual issue we are addressing. How Islam should be defined, whether we have to base our belief on the Quran alone or whether we have to incorporate additional hadith/sunna etc. When the constitution talks about rights being granted if they are not contrary to any tenet of Islam and promotes sectarian beliefs as pointed out earlier by you, the path we have to tread would definitely be rough and tough.
I suggest Free-Minds members to give their opinions on how we should plan to move ahead in our effort to introduce the God Alone movement in the Maldives on a large scale since Maldives is a 100% Muslim country so far to my knowledge. I am prepared to take the lead over here. We need your support and help to counter the growing extremism over here as stated by the Human Rights Commissioner of the Maldives, parts of his press release given below for members atention
You pose an interesting point that, as you pointed out, ends up with the question of the constitution and the contradiction it holds.
I do not know where to begin with this, but my gut feel is that it be confined to an underground movement at the start until it picks up such momentum that it can be made public.
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So if a Christian or Jew wished to move there, they wouldn't be allowed to stay?
Yeah of course. But you won't get citizenship.
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So if a Christian or Jew wished to move there, they wouldn't be allowed to stay?
Hi Rev, I see that my son is an ardent fan of yours, he speaks a lot about you and once saw him quite disappointed saying that you were not very happy with the forum.
You would be allowed to stay but you cannot practise any religion openly other than sunni Islam. Besides, as MUNZIR ALI said, to be a citizen you have to be a Muslim and even if the person is born from Maldivian parents, once you leave Islam you are no longer considered a Maldivian as per the constitution.
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salam Munzir,
You pose an interesting point that, as you pointed out, ends up with the question of the constitution and the contradiction it holds.
I do not know where to begin with this, but my gut feel is that it be confined to an underground movement at the start until it picks up such momentum that it can be made public.
No matter what the constitition says we should start a movement. I have been speaking to my friends for very long. Some agree, some are scared, some say that 'sunna' is the legal ways of the prophet - and I hardly understand whether the prophet issued any legal injunctions on his own. Others say without sunna/hadith we wouldn't know the manasiks given to followers of Muhammad. It is the same set of questions we see everywhere. How do you do salat, zakat etc.
But I am sure that this movement is on the rise here in the Maldives. We have to make the site publicly known. I have been recommending the site to my friends for a long time now but all this is done in a secret manner. I do not know whether they follow the site or not but now that you've mentioned the hit count it's obvious that there is a large number visiting. Please let me know if the count increases so that we will know when to come out into the open.
Actually, I landed in free-minds once I started probing the Submission.org site.
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once you leave Islam you are no longer considered a Maldivian as per the constitution.
The constitution sucks big time. brickwall
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Hi Rev, I see that my son is an ardent fan of yours, he speaks a lot about you and once saw him quite disappointed saying that you were not very happy with the forum.
You would be allowed to stay but you cannot practise any religion openly other than sunni Islam. Besides, as MUNZIR ALI said, to be a citizen you have to be a Muslim and even if the person is born from Maldivian parents, once you leave Islam you are no longer considered a Maldivian as per the constitution.
Thank you for that. You have a very intelligent son.
So even a citizen can lose his citizenship? Interesting.
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You have a very intelligent son.
Thanks ;D
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Peace
Be warned that you might be stepping on thin ice and any movement can be harmful as you will be the minority. Things do not change over night and may take a long time. I am just recalling from memory the Egyptian Quranist that have been arrested for simular reasons. But God willing you may warn the people in the best possible way of their contradictions to the Quran's teachings.
Also consider this, if the government feel Free-Minds a problem to their states interest then it could be banned in that country.Peace
Hope
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Peace
Also consider this, if the government feel Free-Minds a problem to their states interest then it could be banned in that country.
Peace
Hope
Good point!
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So even a citizen can lose his citizenship? Interesting.
Yeah the consitution states as follows
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(a) The following persons are citizens of the Maldives
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citizens of the Maldives at the commencement of this Constitution;
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children born to a citizen of the Maldives; and
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foreigners who, in accordance with the law, become citizens of the Maldives.
(b) No citizen of the Maldives may be deprived of citizenship.
(c) Any person who wishes to relinquish his citizenship may do so in accordance with law.
(d) Despite the provisions of article (a) a non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives. -
(a) The religion of the State of the Maldives is Islam. Islam shall be the one of the basis of all the laws of the Maldives
(b) No law contrary to any tenet of Islam shall be enacted in the Maldives
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Yeah the consitution states as follows
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(a) The following persons are citizens of the Maldives
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citizens of the Maldives at the commencement of this Constitution;
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children born to a citizen of the Maldives; and
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foreigners who, in accordance with the law, become citizens of the Maldives.
(b) No citizen of the Maldives may be deprived of citizenship.
(c) Any person who wishes to relinquish his citizenship may do so in accordance with law.
(d) Despite the provisions of article (a) a non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives. -
(a) The religion of the State of the Maldives is Islam. Islam shall be the one of the basis of all the laws of the Maldives
(b) No law contrary to any tenet of Islam shall be enacted in the Maldives
If they strip citizenship from someone born there because they change religion, are they not going against article 9(b)?
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Yeah the consitution states as follows
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(a) The following persons are citizens of the Maldives
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citizens of the Maldives at the commencement of this Constitution;
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children born to a citizen of the Maldives; and
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foreigners who, in accordance with the law, become citizens of the Maldives.
(b) No citizen of the Maldives may be deprived of citizenship.
(c) Any person who wishes to relinquish his citizenship may do so in accordance with law.
(d) Despite the provisions of article (a) a non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives. -
(a) The religion of the State of the Maldives is Islam. Islam shall be the one of the basis of all the laws of the Maldives
(b) No law contrary to any tenet of Islam shall be enacted in the Maldives
Good thing is, the maldives does not follow all the sunni sharia laws. For example it does not follow "cutting of hands"
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If they strip citizenship from someone born there because they change religion, are they not going against article 9(b)?
That is an exeption
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(a) The religion of the State of the Maldives is Islam. Islam shall be the one of the basis of all the laws of the Maldives
(b) No law contrary to any tenet of Islam shall be enacted in the Maldives
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Of course any government can circumvent the constitution any time it wants, and most do.
That is a big problem.
