In the begining God made Science
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Salaam,
I have read this religious view of creation, and have a few problems with it, firstly just listing the Christian fantasy of genesis does not prove something true, nor does the application of conventional physics, which for the most part is a fraud, as exposed constantly within the scientific community, but being intentionally marginalised through the funding and media of the banking oligarchy.
?If you follow science then you will know that this is quite possible, the Big Bang theory states that everything was created from that tiny very dense ball of pure energy that exploded.? RJ
The big bang theory has been comprehensively proved to be absolutely NOT TRUE, please read this link to see the evidence presented.
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/79/112/
?For some millions of years the earth was without form and in darkness, the earth formed from the cloud of gas and dust and became just a ball of hot rock.? RJ
The origins of the Earth by these scientist is speculation, as most conventional science is, however we can study the existing planet Earth.
The Earth is a living system, it has grown 200% in volume in the past few hundred million years, as all planetary bodies do, to understand this further
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/81/114/
?Light did suddenly appear. As the sun became larger and more dense, as the pressure grew, it reached the point where nuclear fusion could occur and burst into fire in a split second. ? RJ
Again the Sun is not a nuclear fusion reactor, it does not burn 440,000 tonnes of mass per second as the conventional physicists push, if it were a simple question would be why then is the surface around 6000 c while the atmosphere is around 2000000 c. of course you can easily fool most of the people most of the time, especially the religious, the reason the establishment wish to confuse physics is to continue to control the people, if we understood the real nature of reality we would understand clearly exactly what Allah is and that energy is freely available to all, the real genius?s of physics were Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla and Bearden, among others.
If you really want to understand how this reality came about please read
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/92/124/
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/81/114/
?It is now believed by science that the building blocks of life did not start here on earth, but were brought here in very simple form by comets and asteroids. Passing through what was then a very violent atmosphere they joined together and changes composition to form the necessary ingredients for life.? RJ
There exists a psycho-reactive energy some have named Orgone, this is the origin of all life, it is not a chemical that forms life, but this life force, that exists within the mitochondria of every cell ever to exist.
http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/107/139/
?As the atmosphere and sea began to change and oxygen began to be dissolved into the sea, aquatic life did start to appear.? RJ
Oxygen within the atmosphere is a bi-product of life, not until the micro-organisms existed could oxygen exist to oxidise the iron in solution within the oceans, causing a layer in the geological record of an iron oxide cover areas of the now land, as the Earth was far small then.
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Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
If you follow science then you will know that this is quite possible, the Big Bang theory states that everything was created from that tiny very dense ball of pure energy that exploded.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
For some millions of years the earth was without form and in darkness, the earth formed from the cloud of gas and dust and became just a ball of hot rock.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning?the first day.
Light did suddenly appear. As the sun became larger and more dense, as the pressure grew, it reached the point where nuclear fusion could occur and burst into fire in a split second.
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water."
7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning?the second day.
Our sky, or atmosphere did form over time, and changed from a very poisonous and deadly atmosphere to the one that sustains life today.
9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so.
10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
To begin with, the earth had no water, but as comets collided with the earth and dissolved they brought all the water to the earth. When this process was almost over, the earth was indeed covered in water, it took some time for volcanic action and plate uplifting to create the land.
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
13 And there was evening, and there was morning?the third day.
It is now believed by science that the building blocks of life did not start here on earth, but were brought here in very simple form by comets and asteroids. Passing through what was then a very violent atmosphere they joined together and changes composition to form the necessary ingredients for life.
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,
15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so.
16 God made two great lights?the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth,
18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19 And there was evening, and there was morning?the fourth day.
To begin with the stars would not have been visible through the thick atmosphere of the early earth. But would gradually become visible as the atmosphere cleared.
20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky."
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth."
23 And there was evening, and there was morning?the fifth day.
As the atmosphere and sea began to change and oxygen began to be dissolved into the sea, aquatic life did start to appear.
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so.
25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Life then began to colonize the land
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
After billions of years man evolved and survived
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
We have certainly done that.
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground?everything that has the breath of life in it?I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning?the sixth day.
Six days ? that does not mean earth days. A day to God can be millions or even billions of years to us.
It has taken us some 4-5,000 years to scientifically prove this first chapter of the bible and yet science still has no answer to the simple question ?What is life ? what makes something live?? I don?t think science will ever be able to explain it. I believe than only God can give ?the breath of life?.bravo The explanation is good.
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754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and earth in six days, and then He established the authority. The night covers the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected to His law; to Him is the creation and the law. Glory be to God, the Lord of all the worlds.
Interestingly, the Quran confirms the six 'day' creation. Of course this doesnt mean that the earth was created in six 24-hour periods. The word being translated as "day" is "yaum", which literally means "time period", and can also mean "day".
The difference between the Genesis story and the way the creation of the earth is being described in the Quran is that God says that day comes before the night.
The following also confirms that time is relative and that a "day" is actually/can be far more than 24 hours
2247 They seek you to hasten the retribution; and God will not break His promise. A day with your Lord is like one thousand of the years you count.
Also, this doesnt mean that a "day" with God is literally 1000 years. Note the word "like". Therefore, the creation of the earth, according to the Quran, may well have taken 1 billion+ years.
The Big Bang "Theory" is also confirmed by the Quran
2130 Did the rejecters/ingrates not see that the heavens and the earth were one mass and We tore them apart? That We made from the water everything that lives. Will they not acknowledge?
Also, the expansion of the universe "theory" is confirmed
5147 We constructed the universe with our might, and, certainly, We are expanding it.
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Salaam Progressive1993,
you think a theory that has been extensively disproved is confirmed within the Qur'an, so what you are in effect saying is the Qur'an is as corrupt as conventional physics, I realise no one on this forum is interested in investigating the truth of anything, and simply wish to accept blind faith in whatever Religious text they have taken as absolute truth without evidence, but unfortunately this is not Islamic, you are required to prove everything, take nothing on blind faith, this should be left to the Christians, who have made an art form out of ignoring the evidence.
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754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and earth in six days, and then He established the authority. The night covers the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected to His law; to Him is the creation and the law. Glory be to God, the Lord of all the worlds.
Interestingly, the Quran confirms the six 'day' creation. Of course this doesnt mean that the earth was created in six 24-hour periods. The word being translated as "day" is "yaum", which literally means "time period", and can also mean "day".
The difference between the Genesis story and the way the creation of the earth is being described in the Quran is that God says that day comes before the night.
The following also confirms that time is relative and that a "day" is actually/can be far more than 24 hours
2247 They seek you to hasten the retribution; and God will not break His promise. A day with your Lord is like one thousand of the years you count.
Also, this doesnt mean that a "day" with God is literally 1000 years. Note the word "like". Therefore, the creation of the earth, according to the Quran, may well have taken 1 billion+ years.
The Big Bang "Theory" is also confirmed by the Quran
2130 Did the rejecters/ingrates not see that the heavens and the earth were one mass and We tore them apart? That We made from the water everything that lives. Will they not acknowledge?
Also, the expansion of the universe "theory" is confirmed
5147 We constructed the universe with our might, and, certainly, We are expanding it.
It is wonderful that the Quran explains it that way, it makes much more sense.
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you think a theory that has been extensively disproved is confirmed within the Qur'an, so what you are in effect saying is the Qur'an is as corrupt as conventional physics
The only thing that is corrupt here is your arguementation.
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Salaam,
it's interesting to see you are stating as a fact your view is absolute truth, free of any investigation what so ever, based solely upon hearsay, unmitigated conjecture, I supplied the information for you to become informed, which you have ignored in favour of hadith based science, I will waste no more time in attempting to allow you an escape, of incorporating lies within your beliefs.
The Rev John I can understand, Christians base everything on hadith, but as you wish.
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I supplied the information for you to become informed, which you have ignored in favour of hadith based science, I will waste no more time in attempting to allow you an escape, of incorporating lies within your beliefs.
you think a theory that has been extensively disproved is confirmed within the Qur'an, so what you are in effect saying is the Qur'an is as corrupt as conventional physics
)... Your reasoning skills/"logic" and arguementation are truly amazing..
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... Your reasoning skills/"logic" and arguementation are truly amazing..
Don't worry. He has problems with many members in this forum.
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Don't worry. He has problems with many members in this forum.
Maybe... But he has some pretty interesting views on "nonreligious Islaam", and many of them seem very much in harmony with both the Qur'aan and science. But that's just my opinion...
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Don't worry. He has problems with many members in this forum.
It's not about his views, rather his reasoning and arguementation.
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Peace
It is not the Quran that is at fault with science but rather science needs to catch up with the Quran So any man made theories are just man made. It does not prove anything as theries are always changing and what we take as fact today is not so tomorrow. So when stating science, know that it is not fixed and by no means is it law. Our search for knowledge goes on.
Peace
Hope
PS thanks for bringing this to our attention Rev.John and thanks for your commentary.
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Peace
It is not the Quran that is at fault with science but rather science needs to catch up with the Quran So any man made theories are just man made. It does not prove anything as theries are always changing and what we take as fact today is not so tomorrow. So when stating science, know that it is not fixed and by no means is it law. Our search for knowledge goes on.
Peace
Hope
PS thanks for bringing this to our attention Rev.John and thanks for your commentary.
Always a pleasure. I totally agree with your comments on science. Science changes with every discovery and with each discovery it seems to be more "God related"
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Salaam,
God is a concept of an outside force that controls the universe, not a shred of scientific evidence supports this elite based concept, it is basically the model of a sovereign system, the sovereign controls the decisions you make, in so doing controls your life, God is a personification, they will attempt with this concept to justify a human God, and have many times in the past, which requires worship, subjugation and conformity to dogma.
In contrast.
Allah is all that exists, not a controlling force, the universe is pure thought, in correct physics based on the physical results of experimentation, not conjecture and manipulations as expressed by Rev John, it is proved that every atom of creation is emanated from the inside out, instant to instant, without this constant manifestation nothing would exist. Allah is a concept completely and utterly at odds with a God concept, they share one thing in common, both are models of a creator, but are equally comparable, to a push bike, and a aircraft carrier, with the argument they are the same thing, because they both transport people.
It is impossible to make this simple distinction clear to most, as it is a pattern of thought they can not comprehend, dismissal is the technique of the Christian and Jew, as they worship a God afar. However if you wish to be a Muslim, you should consider very carefully what I?m expressing, as it is the foundation of Islam, and the prerequisite to actually existing as a Muslim, There is No God. Only who is Not God.