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    Q_student
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    "Avatar" represents and reflects the state of mind.

    Well said

    bravo bravo rotfl

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      MUNZIR_ALI
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      "Avatar" represents and reflects the state of mind.

      I didn't notice that. but you are right. bravo

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        Ahmad_Bilal
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        Peace Ayman,

        Nope. I never said that. The great reading is certainly in the Arabic oral vernacular language (lisan) that the people of the messenger spoke. The source of your confusion and probably the confusion of those who claim that the great reading is in Aramaic is their ignorance of the difference between language and script. The great reading's language is Arabic but it was written in the Nabataean Aramaic script. It is the same as the phrase "Bism allah alrahman alrahim" is Arabic language written in English script. This doesn't make it an English sentence but it is still very much Arabic.

        Okay, that makes a lot of sense... Great analogy too, by the way...

        Peace,

        Ahmad

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          Mazhar
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          "Bism allah alrahman alrahim" is Arabic language written in English script.

          Ask the computer to pronounce it and you will notice how stupid it looks to call it Arabic language in English script.

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            idriss_III
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            Peace
            This is why Kamal Attaturk abolished the arabic script of the ottoman turk in favor of the latin script for the modern turkish
            and I guess the computer must be pronouncing it right then, it's the software, dude...

            Ask the computer to pronounce it and you will notice how stupid it looks to call it Arabic language in English script.

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              Peace Mazhar,

              Ask the computer to pronounce it and you will notice how stupid it looks to call it Arabic language in English script.

              The computer would have worse problems pronouncing the Arabic language in Aramaic script that we see here in the early manuscripts of the great reading. For example, see Tashkent manuscript below

              http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Kufic_Quran_7th_Cent.jpg

              As you can see, like in English where there is some ambiguity in the H because it can either be or there is worse ambiguity in the Aramaic script of the great reading where you can't tell the difference between , and etc... . This is why dotting had to be used in the Aramaic script to disambiguate the Arabic language sounds. This would be the same as putting a dot on the H in English to differentiate it into a . Your comment only demonstrates your ignorance of basic facts about the development of the Arabic script.

              As a side note, you also seem to be living in the 80s when it comes to computer technology since if you paste the phrase "Bism allah alrahman alrahim" in a tool such as Yamli ( http//www.yamli.com/arabic-keyboard/ ) it will transliterate it perfectly into Arabic using intelligent transliteration. Similarly, our knowledge about the development of the Arabic script have progressed greatly while you seem to be stuck in medieval late Abbasid times. )

              Peace,

              Ayman

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                Mazhar
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                that we see here in the early manuscripts of the great reading.

                How can you call it "early manuscripts" of Great Reading. Individual people keep writing, engraving in whatever style they like. Would you call such individual "art" as "manuscripts of the original text"?

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                  Peace Mazhar,

                  How can you call it "early manuscripts" of Great Reading. Individual people keep writing, engraving in whatever style they like. Would you call such individual "art" as "manuscripts of the original text"?

                  All writing in any script (including that of all the manuscripts of the great reading) is a form of "art" since it is essentially the drawing of symbols. Both the dotted and non-dotted manuscripts of the great reading use the Nabataean Aramaic script. Dotting had to be used to disambiguate the script because Aramaic has only 22 letters while Arabic has 28. On the other hand, the real Arabian script that has the full 28 Arabic letters represented is the Musnad script, which is now extinct.

                  Peace,

                  Ayman

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                    Mazhar
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                    But in the text of Grand Qur'aan I distinctly find 29 letters, 28 consonants, one letter-alif.

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                      Peace Mazhar,

                      But in the text of Grand Qur'aan I distinctly find 29 letters, 28 consonants, one letter-alif.

                      It depends on what you mean by "one letter Alif". The Alif is used to denote several sounds (and even a non-sound) and there are other letters that also denote the Alif long vowel sound. So do you mean

                      1. The consonantal Alif that makes the consonantal A sound as in words such as and the Arabic definite article .
                      2. The long vowel that makes the long A vowel sound that is written with a Mater Lectionis as in .
                      3. The long A vowel without a Mater Lectionis as in .
                      4. The silent Alif as in .
                      5. The long A vowel sound as in .
                      6. The long A vowel sound as in .

                      As a side note, the Hamza or "glottal stop" is not a letter. It is a diacritic sign.

                      Peace,

                      Ayman

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