Unneccessary & unscientific concept of breast feeding "sisters" in the Quran
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I didn?t say there isn?t risks there ARE risks. However you can?t say just because you marry your cousin you have such terrible risk like i said earlier many of my cousins married cousins and they don?t have issues. They?re not first generation of cousins marrying cousins either!
Let me quote a bit you decided to read past
Professor Bittles explains that within some communities even non-cousin marriages carry higher risks of these rare genetic disorders because those involved are from the same "biraderi" or clan.
He supports better genetic screening services for those affected over any kind of ban or limit on first-cousin marriages."It would be a mistake to ban it, people have been following consanguineous marriage practices for hundreds of generations and then we come along and say you are going to have to stop - no one will pay attention.
"I would go for selective screening it would be much more effective."It even later goes on to say that data about such studies is lacking and bandied!
Cousin marriages happen everywhere even amongst anglo westerners!
So stop picking on culture.
You got a huge prejudice against muslims, however you fail to say why.
Again, just because in some communities they marry cousins doesn?t mean this is a ?muslim? thing. Muslims do it sure though nowhere does the Quran say ?marry your cousins, it is better for you?. Rememebr culture and religion are 2 different issues.
You are being way to judgement. Tell me why should Quran discourage cousin marriages have you got statistics of every cousin marriage and every defect they have compared to people who marry outside of cousins and defects they have? I assume you don?t until you do please prove your evidence.
I work in the childcare industry and guess what all of the children with special needs don?t have parents who are COUSINS! So maybe you are just a tad bit prejudice.
A parent doesn?t send his/her kid off, if you read the Quran you?d know marriage isn?t up to the parent to decide. But i guess you?re following preconceived notions of Muslims and Quran. Dont mix cultural practices with religion. There is a distinction even if you find difficultly in acknowledging this.
God gave you a mind to use, the Quran doesn?t need to tell you to not to marry your cousin, it?s not a big issue, you?re taking it out of proportion. If you feel its unsafe no one is forcing you to do it and that?s one beauty about the Quran it doesn?t need to give you a detailed analysis of ever little detail in life. In life not everything is black and white, some bits are grey, we have a mind we can use it. that being said our minds are not always right.
You fail to answer my previous question and just stick with cousin marriage when you bring about the issue of milk brothers and sisters. Go on tell me is there no psychological effects of milk bros and sisters? What have you studied about it? Not everything is banned because of ?health? let me show you a verse
422 (Asad) AND DO NOT marry women whom your fathers have previously married - although what is past is past this, verily, is a shameful deed, and a hateful thing, and an evil way.
Not everything is a health issue. But somehow you seem to think Quran is a book of science. Like i said earlier, Quran is NOT a book of science. So stop trying to justify it as one.
The Quran didn?t fail in discouraging/banning cousin marriages. When the book claims to be the last guidance and it is doing that very job then it is one. Do yourself a favour and look up the word guidance.
It?s not a public health concern, the issues and birth defects are not big risks. If the risks were big then it would be a health issue. Look up Dr Arno Motulsky, professor emeritus of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington. He said that ?medical geneticists have known for a long time that there was little or no harm in cousins marrying and having children then he further says somehow, this hasn?t become general knowledge. Amongst the public and physicians there?s a feeling it?s real bad and brings a lot of disease, and there?s a lot of social and legal disapproval?.
It just proves the social stigma about it. it's more about discourses than a health issue.
Again families thinking it would be a preferred mode of marriage has nothing to do with Quran. So quit attributing it to Quran.
Do you know much about muslim heritage, or history? Probably not i guess that?s why you think muslims are backwards. You even forget to consider people?s sociocultural context (outside of religion/culture) and how that affects them.
Jihadi attacks have nothing to do with us, it?s an individual act based on their interpretations. I?m not accountable for anyone?s actions, nor are you.
Peace.
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I want to respond to the Armenian "genocide" issue which was brought up earlier. There is no such thing. It's a highly politicized issue, the Armenian lobby is no different than the the Zionist lobby. Eastern Anatolia (Turkey) was in a terrible state during world war I. Hundreds of thousands of Turks as well as Armenians and Kurds died as a result of diseases and epidemics and hunger.
The deportation decision in 1915 during World War I was a security measure to stop the Armenians from cooperating with the foreign forces invading Anatolia. While Ottomans were fighting the invading Russian and European powers Armenian terrorist groups massacred Turkish (mainly Kurdish) civilians indiscriminately. Obviously, Turks (Kurds) retaliated.
There are so many details indicating that the deportation of Armenians (to Syria) was not a "genocide". There was a railway to Baghdad, which was mainly used for the war. The railway was very busy and could not be used for the Armenian deportation. Turkey was fighting on many fronts against many countries. But despite all this, some Armenians were given train tickets. Clearly, if it was a "genocide" (please look up what genocide means!), they would have never gotten train tickets.
When Armenians were being deported, some Kurds in eastern Anatolia attacked the Armenians in retaliation. Because Armenian terrorist groups, such as Dashnak, had killed many Kurdish civilians. It had absolutely nothing to do with a centralized Ottoman goverment plan to "exterminate" all Armenians. If the Ottomans had wanted to do this, they could have done it, and there wouldn't be any Armenians today. It is true that some Ottoman soldiers allowed Kurds to attack the Armenians during the deportation, but others were protecting the Armenians and feeding them.
In some areas, only Gregorian Armenians were deported, while the Protestant and Catholic Armenians were left alone. Again, it was not a planned extermination of Armenians like the Holocaust. Genocide and massacre are two totally different issues. It's much more complicated than people think, which is not surprising, since the Ottoman Empire was collapsing and in a miserable state.
Also, Britain sent many Ottoman officers (who were accused of "massacres" to Malta for trial and British occupying forces searched for evidence everywhere, but they could not find anything. There was no government plan to exterminate Armenians.
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This thread reminds me that Grand Qur'aan has also classified people from psychological point of view too.
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http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.272.gifAnd amongst the people is a person whose words about worldly life seem exotic/astounding/ unaccustomed to you and he swears upon Allah on what he has in his heart/mind, and he is obsessively compulsive/excessively argumentative. And when he leaves, he attempts so that he may create disorder/imbalance/distortions/spread wicked, unsound ideas in the society and he divides and rifts the people apart. And Allah does not appreciate/approve the distortions/imbalances/lack of equilibrium. And when it is said for him , "Be mindful, apprehensive of Allah", he is seized and puffed by pride/stubbornness to remain in sin. Therefore Hell is the appropriate place for such a person, and it is a very bad dwelling indeed.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.D.204.htm
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This thread reminds me that Grand Qur'aan has also classified people from psychological point of view too.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.270.gif
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.271.gif
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.272.gifAnd amongst the people is a person whose words about worldly life seem exotic/astounding/ unaccustomed to you and he swears upon Allah on what he has in his heart/mind, and he is obsessively compulsive/excessively argumentative. And when he leaves, he attempts so that he may create disorder/imbalance/distortions/spread wicked, unsound ideas in the society and he divides and rifts the people apart. And Allah does not appreciate/approve the distortions/imbalances/lack of equilibrium. And when it is said for him , "Be mindful, apprehensive of Allah", he is seized and puffed by pride/stubbornness to remain in sin. Therefore Hell is the appropriate place for such a person, and it is a very bad dwelling indeed.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.D.204.htm
yeah
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the Brits will have to bear the additional trouble of their medical needs, they already have stuff like jihadi attacks from these folks to bother about! >
Britain, as a state, is a far greater threat to Muslims than those few "Muslim" terrorists are to Britain. The British army/state together with their allies are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Muslims. Let's keep things in perspective. Look at how many Muslims are being killed around the world; Israel, Lebanon, Bosnia, Kashmir, Chechnya, Iraq and so on. Instead of feeling sorry for the British and the Americans you should feel sorry for the millions of Muslims who are killed.
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Britain, as a state, is a far greater threat to Muslims than those few Muslim terrorists are to Britain. They (together with their allies) have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims. Let's keep things in perspective. Look at how many Muslims are killed around the world. You are a victim of western media.
I think she is paid by her masters like ibne sina to spread hatred against Muslims.
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Britain, as a state, is a far greater threat to Muslims than those few "Muslim" terrorists are to Britain. The British army/state together with their allies are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Muslims. Let's keep things in perspective. Look at how many Muslims are being killed around the world; Israel, Lebanon, Bosnia, Kashmir, Chechnya, Iraq and so on. Instead of feeling sorry for the British and the Americans you should feel sorry for the millions of Muslims who are killed.
All are busy in ridiculous unending game, which has nothing to do with Islam and their religion. A terrorist is neither a Jew, nor Christain and nor a muslim. A terrorist is basically an idiot, a retarded human being who is a slave to someone whom he might not have even seen/known, worst than the "aunt terriorists/suiciders". The game has political and economic motives under the garb and guise of religion. We should feel sorry and sympathetic for every human being, irrespective of religion and nationality who is killed for no fault of him.
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All are busy in ridiculous unending game, which has nothing to do with Islam and their religion. A terrorist is neither a Jew, nor Christain and nor a muslim. A terrorist is basically an idiot, a retarded human being who is a slave to someone whom he might not have even seen/known, worst than the "aunt terriorists/suiciders". The game has political and economic motives under the garb and guise of religion. We should feel sorry and sympathetic for every human being, irrespective of religion and nationality who is killed for no fault of him.
bravo bravo bravo bravo
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People who were breastfed by the same woman as you are off-limits because it's very likely you grew up with them and therefore regard them as siblings. A child will recognize the people it spends the first three years of its life as its kin. Read up on Kin Recognition.
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It is interesting that some people are accused of being racist because they are obviously anti-Muslim while no one is ever accused of being racist when they are obviously anti British or anti-American. Just an observation.
She is not accused of being racist because she is anti muslim, but because she is racist.
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It is interesting that some people are accused of being racist because they are obviously anti-Muslim while no one is ever accused of being racist when they are obviously anti British or anti-American. Just an observation.
well said, and good observation.
She is not accused of being racist because she is anti muslim, but because she is racist.
do you know her personally?
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She is not accused of being racist because she is anti muslim, but because she is racist.
Well, maybe I'm a little sensitive and defensive of both the UK and USA, as a "Brit" living in America I can honestly say that I feel both are very misjudged and misunderstood (the people, not the governments) and some of the posts I read on this thread were very insulting to both. I agree that some were very insulting to Pakistanis and others too. No one should insult any nationality until they have lived in their country and understand their way of life, and not even then.
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All are busy in ridiculous unending game, which has nothing to do with Islam and their religion. A terrorist is neither a Jew, nor Christain and nor a muslim. A terrorist is basically an idiot, a retarded human being who is a slave to someone whom he might not have even seen/known, worst than the "aunt terriorists/suiciders". The game has political and economic motives under the garb and guise of religion. We should feel sorry and sympathetic for every human being, irrespective of religion and nationality who is killed for no fault of him.
Terrorism is evil and so are terrorists no matter who's side they are on.
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Terrorism is evil and so are terrorists no matter who's side they are on.
yes, terrorist individuals, terrorist states, all are evil.