"Majority of People" in the view of Quran
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Really? Wouldn't this term also apply to hypocrites who claim they are Jewish or Christian (i.e. people of the Book?)
No, it will not apply to them while they retain their identity as Jew or Christian. The pre-requisite is that one must declare/claim before believers/muslims to have accepted belief in Allah, the Last Day and the Messenger Muhammad sallaalaihwasalm, deceptively, as was done for the first time by some Jews living in Madina. The first ever Muna'fi'qeen were from amongst the people of Bani Israel.
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In my very limited knowledge, mate, these "groups" ultimately form one "group", that is the people loved by God and who love their God. And who knows who's IN the group? God knows best, mate. Loose, yes, in our view, because we have no idea. Don't you think, though, that it's quite exact in God's view?
Yes, I see that too, that they ultimately form one group. I think this group is called 'mumineen' in Quran because without iman, all our actions are like ashes. So iman is the fundamental element in salvation. But again, I don't believe 'mumineen' are in a single group of people.
The idea is not to form a group of human as we know today and call it an Exclusive God Lovers Club. The idea is to follow God's lead and to do what those people are doing, as described in the Book.
In terms of action, I think it does involve forming a group of 'mumineen' but not to claim this group is the only group. Quran allows for the existence of multiple groups (and multiple methods, for that matter).
And even though we have no exact idea of who's who (not even ourselves) in this world--still i don't get why we have to always be broken down to individuals. That wouldn't work as the people whom God loves, in my personal opinion. Have a look at 4829 -- notice "ruHamaA'u bainahum"? I think it works collectively instead of individually.
Agreed about 48/29 but these aren't 'mumineen' but 'alladhi ma3a Muhammad' (those with Muhammad, if you read the context). I don't believe that this is daleel/proof to work collectively. Rather, it's a mode of working. I believe working individually is also possible and that each mumin should aim for establishing himself as a centre of good works.
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She's not a horrible, she's not a monster, and she's not a sicko. She's just human, mate. Human is not a static. This thread was to point out that single thing--don't judge people.Peace
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Well how about a terrorist how you will treat him???
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Peace,
Yes, I see that too, that they ultimately form one group. I think this group is called 'mumineen' in Quran because without iman, all our actions are like ashes. So iman is the fundamental element in salvation. But again, I don't believe 'mumineen' are in a single group of people.
Agreed. Iman is the fundamental.
Regarding grouping, please imagine a group living in heaven. That is for us now, an 'imaginary' group. As for the people we see today on earth, you're right, we can't see them. Those "groups" or "group" (like Almu'miniyn you said), both you and me were referring to the Quran. As they are plural, we call them groups. Imaginary, if you will, for us.
Please note that i never referred to them as worldly group(s) in my previous posts. Hence i only replied to your comment--not to trigger another debate--just for clarification.
I think we both have clarified this, don't you agree?
In terms of action, I think it does involve forming a group of 'mumineen' but not to claim this group is the only group. Quran allows for the existence of multiple groups (and multiple methods, for that matter).
Agreed
Agreed about 48/29 but these aren't 'mumineen' but 'alladhi ma3a Muhammad' (those with Muhammad, if you read the context). I don't believe that this is daleel/proof to work collectively. Rather, it's a mode of working. I believe working individually is also possible and that each mumin should aim for establishing himself as a centre of good works.
Agreed, with a note that i was referring to "being merciful to each other" when i said, it works collectively. Not about following God's message. That, of course, like you said, can be done individually.
As you already see, the context is those who are with Muhammad, as the messenger. No one ensures they keep on their state--whatever those were--up to their death. God knows best. However those who were with Muhammad the messenger were fighting against the AlkuffaAr, which is the opposite of Almu'miniyn, CMIIW.
It is simply an example of a society who were merciful to each other as long as they are not fighting/disturbing against each other. And strict, stern, strong, forceful against the disbelievers.
Peace.
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lifetime imprisonment?
maybe a little coercion to make him talk?
In the case he is a proven terrorist who already has executed severe destruction, that could be a good idea.
HOWEVER, unless the "Majority of People" are terrorists, this would be offtopic
HOWEVER still, as long as you don't try to put lots and then lots of demographic archives here, you're welcome
;D
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well it did get derailed by a certain individual, who didn't even have any answer about the original demographics of 7th century Arabia, but instead went on a tirade about how horrible Bangladesh is...
'(Bangladishies are not horrible, they are lovely ppl though i dont know about you confused
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well it did get derailed by a certain individual, who didn't even have any answer about the original demographics of 7th century Arabia, but instead went on a tirade about how horrible Bangladesh is...
'(The bangladeshi immigrant workers in maldives are not horrible but it annoys me because they work so hard and get minimum salary. Like 100-150$ a month.