I challenge all Quranists.
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Selam RasulHamsa
I would gladly pass it on, if I understood what it says ;D
Peace
I also don't understand it but we get sawaab(blessings) inshallah!
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I also don't understand it but we get sawaab(blessings) inshallah!
Selam RasulHamsa
After a quick search on the internety thing I got this
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ALLAHUMMA SALLI ALA MUHAMMADIW WA ALA AALI MUHAMMADIN KAMAA SALLAITA ALA IBRAHIMA WA ALA AALI IBRAHIMA INNAKA HAMIDUM MAJID. ALLAHUMMA BAARIK ALA MUHAMMADIW WA ALA AALI MUHAMMADIN KAMAA BAARAKTA ALA IBRAHIMA WA ALA AALI IBRAHIMA INNAKA HAMIDUM MAJID.
"O Allah, let Your Blessings come upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, as you have blessed Ibrahim and his family. Truly, You are Praiseworthy and Glorious. Allah, bless Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, as you have blessed Ibrahim and his family. Truly, You are Praiseworthy and Glorious".
Its from Hadith books there are many versions. It has basically come about due to 3356. I need to read more about it to find out if that is what 3356 is asking us to do. The search goes on.
Peace
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This is why we must study the history to trace back what the one Islam is. That, and the Quran itself, which we believe is what has been revealed to The Prophet.
If you can't bring the proof it's alright. Just study the history for your own benefit. Please be careful when making statement on something as important as the "source of Islam".
and how you study it?
Pardon me but i'm not into your challenge. I'm only responding to this
ok
I took that word 'anyone' literally. So let's finish the rest of my response to you
What is Quranists, then? Do you know that "Quranists" may just be a label, a name? Are you accusing this "Quranists" of something you don't know? You didn't say "some of you". In fact, you didn't even say "Quranists" in that specific question -- in the beginning you said "anyone", remember?
why are you going off-topic a lot, the Thread's title is clear.
Then i'm the one who's talking about responsibility. Aren't we responsible for any belief we choose to believe in? What part of "LaA Ilaaha Illa Allah" do you not understand as a belief? I said the one that united us "best", and IMO, there is nothing better to unite muslimin than the belief "LaA Ilaaha Illa Allah".
it's not even an answer to the question.
I did say that and i will repeat it again Surely even the most bestest quranist scholar can't guide anyone. ALLAH guides whomever He will.
I know some names, but i don't see how it would benefit this discussion, so i wouldn't answer that. And you haven't clarified "all time" by the way, but forget about it.
My point is that you must verify for yourself anyone's (including scholars' work on ISLAM against the Quran. If you intend to study their works then you may PM the mods for suggestions.
It's just a question, do you even have scholars or anyone interpret the Qur'an as he likes?
How would you "have enough knowledge in Islam", if you don't study Quran?
Yep that's the point and how you going to study the Qur'an without a teacher who already have enough knowledge to teach you Qur'an, Islam is like science.
The message in Quran, if translated correctly, will be understood by anyone with Hearing, Sight and Heart. Most verses regarding actions of believers are straightforward. However, there are also many cases when the Quran verses is translated inaccurately or taken out of context. That is why we need to study the Quran ourselves and strive in learning and discussion, instead of taking others' interpretation on the Quran as is. The ones who understand the Quranic Arabic have responsibility to explain to those who don't, and those who don't understand it must learn with his best effort and practice it. More understanding will be given after we practiced what we have previously understood.
The Qur'an is a book of guidance for these who already believed. Translations are not Qur'an and never will be, and anyone who thinks he will study Qur'an in English and will be a great scholar is a fool.
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Yes ? as stated...
24 and those who believe with what was descended to you?
It's clear who "to you" (God bless him) is referring, not present to teach anyone although the examples to follow are ...
12111 In their narration (stories there) had been an example to those of the pure minds/hearts (it) was not an information/speech to be fabricated and but confirmation (to) which (is) between his hands and detailing/explaining/clarifying every thing, and guidance, and mercy to (a) nation believing.
Peace
when I asked you if you're a deist or a Quranist you said a deist so I toke this as a none-Muslim.
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Actually Bro Edip did wrote those questions by himself, so those are his own questions.
Well, if you don't want to be limited by the choices, you can answer anyway you want, btw. I am curious about how you will answer those questions. Would you?
When he rephrase the questions at that time I'll be happy to answer them.
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Teaching them doesn't mean giving them new information about it. He could have even given them ayaat which explains other ayaat.
he given them ayaat to explain others? what? he teach them Qur'an because they need him to teach them.Al-hikmah is an aspect of Quran. 17/39 mentions teachings of al-hikmah taught in 17/22-38.
Yeah so Prophet Muhammad teach them not only one but many aspects of Qur'an which indicates that the quran is not interpret by anyone.
Ok, tell me how you access the teachings of 'Prophet Muhammad'?
His saying that were remembered then recorded then collected
Actually, ANYONE can believe or disbelieve as they like
10/99If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
As for 2/256 which u quoted above, there are no conditions given in the ayah itself. Those conditions were imposed by your mufassireen.
this ayah talks about these who never believed in the first place if you notice at the end of it Allah asks his prophet if he really the one who force people to become believers.
why do you keep avoiding the question regarding your name?
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The Qur'an is a book of guidance for these who already believed. Translations are not Qur'an and never will be, and anyone who thinks he will study Qur'an in English and will be a great scholar is a fool.
Also anyone who studies Quran without understanding Arabic is a bigger fool ;D Probably about 3/4 of the muslim population will fit into this criteria.
Peace
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he given them ayaat to explain others? what? he teach them Qur'an because they need him to teach them.
Yes, this is attested to by Quran itself
And We sent down the Book to thee for the express purpose, that thou shouldst make clear to them those things in which they differ
Yeah so Prophet Muhammad teach them not only one but many aspects of Qur'an which indicates that the quran is not interpret by anyone.
His saying that were remembered then recorded then collectedHow do you go from 'teach' to 'interpret' ? Quran NEVER says to the prophet 'interpret' (afsiru).
His sayings THAT WERE REMEMBERED? You mean to tell me, this vital ingredient to understanding the Quran was left to chance? Is that why the ulema cant agree to who a sahaba is? Sir, you really need to come to reality. Have a read of Zubair Siddiqui's 'Hadith Literature' which is a classic in the field of hadith studies.
Actually, ANYONE can believe or disbelieve as they like
this ayah talks about these who never believed in the first place if you notice at the end of it Allah asks his prophet if he really the one who force people to become believers
.Yes and the word for 'people' is 'an-naas' which includes muslims. Since when have Muslims stopped becoming part of an-naas?
why do you keep avoiding the question regarding your name?
Because its not up for discussion. This thread was started and defined by you so lets stick to the topic at hand.
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Hello, I'm a Sunni I challenge all of you to prove one or 2 things to me
1- your sect is the only true one
2- Ahlu Alsunnah Waljammah are false
you can use any time of history, any hadith, anything you want but no mocking, I won't answer anyone mocking.
I hope you accept my challenge and have a nice day.
Well firstly you need to read chapter 5 of the Quran and you will see clearly the Quran recognized three scriptures(Torah, Gospel and Quran) and recognized one faith, faith in God and judgement day. So I am not sure if a question like is Sunnism a wrong sect can be answered since Sunnis believe in God and the last day. But I will say many teachings of Sunni FIQH is against the teachings of the Quran and is more resembling to Bukhari and Muslim hadith sources.
Not all Quranist reject all hadiths, but no Quranist will accept it at the expense of the Quran which Sunni fiqh does in many occasion.
I think the biggest difference is in individual interpretation and application. Quranist generally see the Quran as an open Book for meveryone and interpretation and application is an individual's duty while Sunnis see the Quran as a Book to be recited and revered but not interpreted except by jurist and its application is also in the hands of jurist who rely almost exclusivesly on hadiths and consensus. They then believe they have the right to enforce that on people even through violence. Of course this means they need political support to have the power, which they do. Hence the Shariah law of theirs. Shariah law in the Quran is refering to the Torah and Gospel and Quran(read chapter 5).
So in the end its about individual freedom and responsibility. And this makes sense since we will in the end stand in front of God as individuals and each will be responsible for himself. This notion that Sunni and Shias have that they can force their doctrine over others is the reason why we have violence and oppression in the name of Islam like Sudan, Saudi and Taliban.
I do not accept trhe arguments some Quranist like Edip and others propagate about polytheism. I do not see Sunnism as polytheistic and I see nothing wrong with praising or elevating the status of Muhammad. However, we must do the same will ALL OF THE PROPHETS as the Quran says and not pick one and abrogate the others.
Which takes us to the most important argument that I believes seperates Quranist from Sunnis and that is abrogation. You can't be a Quranist and believe in abrogation because that means that the Quran is no longer a source of guidance and many of its verses are no longer relevant. Thats a crime against the Quran.
I also do not accept the abrogation of the pevious scriptures since I see the Quran seeing itself in equal footing with the previous scriptures. Once again read chapter 5.
Quranist therefore do not have an orthodoxy and a theocracy even if they wanted to. BUt I can not say that everything in Sunni Islam is false, but many things are, at least in comparing it with Quran.
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Those who follow The Quran alone are not a sect. In fact, sects have nothing to do with Muhammad and the teachings of God.
3103 Hold firmly to the rope of God, all of you, and do not be divided. Remember God's blessing upon you when you were enemies and He united your hearts, then you became, with His blessing, brothers; and you were on the verge of a pit of fire and He saved you from it. Thus, God clarifies for you His signs, so that you may be guided.
3105 Do not be like those who divided and differed after the proof had come to them. For them is a painful retribution.
6159 Those who have divided their obligation ("deen" and become sects, you have nothing to do with them. Their matter will be with God, then, He will inform them of what they had done.
Who authorized the title "Sunni"? Was it God?
2278 Strive in the cause of God properly. He is the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for you in the obligation ("deen", the creed of your father Abraham; He is the One who named you 'the peaceful' ("al muslimeen" from before as well as in this. So let the messenger be witness over you and you be witness over people. So uphold the bond and bring forth the betterment and hold tight to God, He is your patron. What an excellent patron, and what an excellent supporter.
Muhammad was to follow Abraham. Also, please show us in The Quran where it says that we should follow the sunna/hadiths of Muhammad.
2530 The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have forsaken this reading (quran)."
the title sunni was only created to distinguish ourselves of all these sects that call themselves Muslims like Khwarij and Shia, we never called ourselves a new sect we believe we always the first, the only and true Islam. and no we haven't forsaken the Qur'an.
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Ahh, and that explains away the burning of hadith collections because......... ? Oh wait, it doesn't.
It is a pity you evade the points made, and continue to repeat what you have been told is true, without evidence.
But in any case, I'm interested in this comment of yours "he told them not to write what he says until they are finished of writing the whole Qur'an."
Specific evidence please?I read that hadith long time ago but you'll say ah Muslim/Bukhari these are not evidents.
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Just to note, the myth of the 'Uthmani rasm' is contradicted by the Quran itself
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80/11-16 tells us that Quran was already in pages and spread far and wide
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15/1 tells us that Quran is a clear kitab/book.
If the Prophet and the sahaba knew of ayaat like these, would they allow Quran to be simply verbal or written on scraps of paper?
I don't see any contradiction, Uthmani is very clear for me.
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salam stranger1990,
I have a question, do Ahlu Alsunnah Waljammah perform salat the same way that prophet Muhammed PBUH did?Yeah we try to.
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Salaam,
As someone has suggested, you better learn Arabic and study Quran yourself. Instead of relying on this
ok. I should have been more specific. What I meant when I said primary source of Islam, we consider ourselves the primary source of all these sects that call themselves Muslims that came out early and later in the Islamic history. Like Shiaism, sufiism, etc.
I'll tell it bluntly no, the reference for ISLAM is not you yourselves but it is Alqur'aan.
Let me repeat the suggestion again learn Arabic and study Quran yourself. You have intelligence, Sight, Hearing, Heart -- use all that to study everything needed to study Alqur'aan.
It is your own responsibility.
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Also anyone who studies Quran without understanding Arabic is a bigger fool ;D Probably about 3/4 of the muslim population will fit into this criteria.
Peace
translations are like a very basic tafseer book, reading it is not studying it.
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Also anyone who studies Quran without understanding Arabic is a bigger fool Grin Probably about 3/4 of the muslim population will fit into this criteria.
translations are like a very basic tafseer book, reading it is not studying it.
Did he mention "translations/tafseer"? or did he mention "understanding Arabic"?