THE QURAN CONFIRMS: TODAY'S BIBLE IS UNCHANGED

belH

Salaam,

Actually, studying 22-4, as Alquran is the guide for Almuttaqiyn, and that Almuttaqiyn, among their characters/actions

And who believe in what has been revealed to you, and what was revealed before you.

This is a very serious matter.

Are we only to believe that 'what was revealed before us' somehow existed?

or are we to believe 'what was revealed before us' in the same way we believe in 'what has been revealed to us' (Alqur'aan)?

Peace,
The Words in 2-2 to 2-5 are as follow
Believing In what was revealed to You (Mohamed PBUH)
Believing in what were revealed Before you

Can you note from the above, when comparing WORD BY WORD, that we have to treat the Books in an equivalent way; after all, These Books are the Words of our Creator...How can we ignore some and believe in some...are we hypocrites?

Peace

san

Peace,
The Words in 2-2 to 2-5 are as follow
Believing In what was revealed to You (Mohamed PBUH)
Believing in what were revealed Before you

Can you note from the above, when comparing WORD BY WORD, that we have to treat the Books in an equivalent way; after all, These Books are the Words of our Creator...How can we ignore some and believe in some...are we hypocrites?

Peace

Thank you, yes yes yes that's exactly what i mean.

Next, if we are to treat the Books in an equivalent way, then i assume ALLAH made for us that all the previous Scriptures are just as intact as the Scripture that is revealead to us, mankind after the last Prophet (i.e. Alqur'aan).

In other way, (assuming again) when people are ready to accept all Scriptures as the Guide for them, all the intact Scriptures will be accessible to them. (ALLAH will not change the condition of a people until they change themselves)

I know i don't have any evidence, other than this

5674 So exalt the name of your Lord, the Most Great.
5675 Then I swear by the setting of the stars,
5676 And indeed, it is an oath - if you could know - great.
5677 Indeed, it is a Reading most-honorable
5678 In a Book well-protected/well-guarded/kept hidden/nestled
5679 None touch it except the purified
5680 a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.

5678

"kitaAbun maknuwn"... is this supposed to be in the Heaven or is this supposed to be in this world, in/on Earth?

What use will be for mankind, if the Book is well-protected/well-guarded/kept hidden/nestled in the Heaven, instead of in/on Earth?

From 5679, we can safely assume that only those who were already purified/are keep purifying themselves will be able to touch it.

Last Do 5677-78 mean that this Alqur'aanun kariym is part of kitaAbun maknuwn?

if so, wouldn't that mean that all revelation ultimately form one single Book (kitaabun) which is maknuwn?

Peace

san

...continuing the previous post,

692 And this is a kitaAb which We have sent down, blessed and confirming that bayna yadayhi, so you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their SalaAt.

this = Alqur'aan ; bayna yadayhi = AlInjiyl, AltawraAt, Alzabuwr ? Or what has been revealed from Alqur'aan itself?

this = KitaAb ; bayna yadayhi = AlInjiyl, AltawraAt, Alzabuwr ? Or what has been revealed from AlkitaAb itself?

???

bayna = "between/among"
yadayhi = "before it/him"

Concordance of "bayna yadahi" not related to kitaAb/Scripture

• where bayna yadayhi seems to indicate "past" 4621

• where bayna yadayhi seems to indicate "present" instead of "past" 266 , 1311 , 3412 , 727 , 3412

For now, instead of "what was before it", let's see bayna yadayhi as
"between/among (what's already present) before it/in front of it" --

how do you read these verses?

297 Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is he who has brought Alqur'aan down upon your heart, with permission of Allah , confirming which bayna yadayhi and as guidance and good tidings for the believers."

33 He has sent down upon you, AlkitaAb in truth, confirming which bayna yadayhi. And He revealed AltawraAt and AlInjiyl.

546 And We sent, following in their footsteps, `Iysa son of Maryam, confirming which bayna yadayhi from AltawraAt; and We gave him AlInjiyl, in which was guidance and light and confirming which bayna yadayhi from AltawraAt as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

548 And We have sent down to you AlkitaAb with truth, confirming bayna yadayhi from AlkitaAb and muhayminaAn over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way. If Allah willed, He would have made you one nation, but to test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in good deeds. The return of you is to Allah; then He will inform you about that in which you used to differ.

1037 And it was not for this Alqur'aan to be produced by other than Allah, but a confirmation of what bayna yadayhi and a detailed explanation of AlkitaAb, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.

12111 There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was Alqur'aan a narration invented, but a confirmation of that bayna yadayhi and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe.

3431 And those who kafaruw say, "We will never believe in this Alqur'aan nor with that bayna yadayhi." But if you could see when the wrongdoers are made to stand before their Lord, refuting each other's words -- Those who were oppressed will say to those who were arrogant, "If not for you, we would have been believers."

3531 And that which We have revealed to you, from AlkitaAb it is the truth, confirming what bayna yadayhi. Indeed, Allah, of His servants, is Acquainted and Seeing.

4630 They said, "O our people, indeed we have heard kitaAbaAn revealed after Moses confirming what bayna yadayhi which guides to the truth and to a straight path.

4140 Indeed, those who inject deviation into Our AyaAtinaA are not concealed from Us. So, is he who is cast into the Fire better or he who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do whatever you will; indeed, He is Seeing of what you do.

4141 Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message after it has come to them -- And indeed, it is a kitaAbun `aziyz.

4142 Falsehood cannot approach it from bayna yadayhi or from khalfihi; a revelation from Hakiymin Hamiyd.

4143 Nothing is said to you, except what was already said to the messengers before you. Indeed, your Lord is a possessor of forgiveness and a possessor of painful penalty.

The questions Read 1037 again -->

How do we know that Alqur'aan confirm what "bayna yadayhi" if we don't have what "bayna yadayhi" intact?
How do we know that Alqur'aan details explanation of AlkitaAb if we don't have the whole AlkitaAb intact?

Peace

herbman

Salam, Peace to all,

Peace

This might help 101 contradictions in the Bible

http//www.ipci.co.za/frameset.asp

Peace

Hope

A quick look at this shows that it is not fair comparison cause some of the contradictions are made from OT against NT. I mean if you compare the Reading with the OT, or NT, or both surely we will find some contradictions.
The right thing should be to find contradictions within OT, within NT and of course within the Reading.

Regarding the OT (pentatheuc).

In the article we learn that the diactrical signs were added centuries after the oldest original copy of the OT (same as the Reading btw).
This is a very important point to take into account
1- hebrew is a "dead" language and lexical is very poor in comparison to arabic
2- some Rabins were distorting the meaning of some words in OT see 378
3- a translation is and will never replace the original.

If you mix all the 3 points together, you get the current OT, now with this try to get the clear message, that is why

2776
"Verily this Qur'an doth explain to the Children of Israel most of the matters in which they disagree"

2777
"And it certainly is a Guide and Mercy to those who believe."

Conclusion

Yes OT is a book from God, yes it is preserved, NO people did not succeed in understanding it.

God bless

Rami

Do you mean if the Torah is read properly it will be similar to the Quran??

Far-fetched but possible. I thought of that before but how??

Peace.

abdalquran

Herbman, how do you know Quranic word 'taurat' refers to the 'Torah'?

herbman

Herbman, how do you know Quranic word 'taurat' refers to the 'Torah'?

Salam,

because of 543, 544, 393 and many other.

How would you translate "taurat" by?

Let's call it The Law, could be then only the 10 commands given to Moses by God swt but then it would contradict 4829, 616

Taurat is a Book, this is one of the previous Book, the prophete knew about it, so we should have the same book nowaday cause the "Taurat" is the same since 300 or 200 BC.

regards

herbman

Do you mean if the Torah is read properly it will be similar to the Quran??

Far-fetched but possible. I thought of that before but how??

Peace.

If the jewish would have done what we are doing here, they would probably reach the same conclusion as us about the deen.

regards

san

If the jewish would have done what we are doing here, they would probably reach the same conclusion as us about the deen.

regards

Perhaps not as detailed? And maybe this is why Alqur'aan became the Furqaan?

unknownuser

Peace,

The Words in 2-2 to 2-5 are as follow
Believing In what was revealed to You (Mohamed PBUH)
Believing in what were revealed Before you

Can you note from the above, when comparing WORD BY WORD, that we have to treat the Books in an equivalent way; after all, These Books are the Words of our Creator...How can we ignore some and believe in some...are we hypocrites?

The Bible books seem to be a collection of blogs especially OT before the common era.

...continuing the previous post,

692 And this is a kitaAb which We have sent down, blessed and confirming that bayna yadayhi, so you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their SalaAt.

this = Alqur'aan ; bayna yadayhi = AlInjiyl, AltawraAt, Alzabuwr ? Or what has been revealed from Alqur'aan itself?

this = KitaAb ; bayna yadayhi = AlInjiyl, AltawraAt, Alzabuwr ? Or what has been revealed from AlkitaAb itself?

???

bayna = "between/among"
yadayhi = "before it/him"

Concordance of "bayna yadahi" not related to kitaAb/Scripture

• where bayna yadayhi seems to indicate "past" 4621

• where bayna yadayhi seems to indicate "present" instead of "past" 266 , 1311 , 3412 , 727 , 3412

For now, instead of "what was before it", let's see bayna yadayhi as
"between/among (what's already present) before it/in front of it" --

how do you read these verses?

297 Say "Who was an enemy to Gabriel, so that he descended it on your heart/mind with God's permission, confirming to what (is) between his hands, and guidance and a good news to the believers."

Say addressed to last prophet/messenger (clear)
Transmission is through Gabriel to prophet?s mind with God?s permission (clear)
confirming to what (is) between His hands (not clear?)
Guidance and good news to the believers (clear)

31-3
Alif-lam-meem; God no god except He the alive the of no beginning/self sufficient; descended on you the book with the truth confirming to what (is) between His hands and He descended the tawrat and the injeel

Now clear ? confirming to what (is) between His hands? is non literal meaning ?from God or God's message? -- cross reference for consistency.

san

Peace belH

Peace,

The Bible books seem to be a collection of blogs especially OT before the common era.

There were blogs? laugh

confirming to what (is) between His hands (not clear?)

Now clear ? confirming to what (is) between His hands? is non literal meaning ?from God or God's message? -- cross reference for consistency.

Actually, suffice it to say that "yadayhi" does actually mean "his hands" and (you concluded that) it refers to God... but Thank you for the detailed explanation.

Let me re-read the verses again...

Jack

Why is taurat/injeel not mentioned in 1746? Why quran alone? Does this leave room for another book? Can people readily reject what you call the torah and/or the bible, since this verse mentions QURAN ALONE?
Find me a verse, just one verse, that that says at-tauraat was given to Moosa.

It is indeed Isa (not moosa) who teaches (and was taught) both at-tauraat AND al-injeel (348, 5110), along with al-kitab and alhikmah.

Moosa was given kitabun-moosa (1117, 4612). He, along with his brother, were given 'al-furqan' (254.

We are also told to believe in what was sent down to Ibrahim, Ismail, Ishaaq, Yaaqoob, and Al-asbat (384). Where are these books ?

Btw, bani israel doesn't refer to jews.

Bani israil are descendants of Noah (173). Don't forget in chapter 71 he prays for the annihilation of all kafireen on earth.
-Ibrahim sprang from Noah's group(3783). And Ibrahim was not (usually translated as jewish and christian) 2140.

Peace