Does anyone object to this?
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I'll say Hey Peace be to you...but I dont want to be all like Hey Merry Christmas, let me help you set up that Christmas tree!"
I don't have a problem sending a greeting for people who celebrate Christmas for its true purpose celebrating the birth of Jesus/Prophet Isa. I mean, most Muslims all over the world celebrate the birth of Prophet Muhammad and in the country where I come from, the birth of Prophet Muhammad celebration can turn into a shirk event the regional government will hold an event where a MOUNTAIN of food containing meat, veggies and fruits is presented and the people will literally FIGHT to get their hands on even a tiny portion of the food because they believe it has been blessed and they'll get good luck from eating that tiny portion -__-;;;.
And I do agree that Christmas has been transformed into something that encourages consumerism. But that applies to any religious events. Let's face it, in Eid Festival, people spend SO much money on new clothes, huge feasts etc etc. Do they really remember about the Qur'an being revealed in Ramadan? No, they care more about having their sins forgiven. They fast, they give charity and they salaat taraawih because they believe their good deeds will be rewarded many times over. And after Ramadan is over, then comes the festival of gluttony.
Enough rant, but yeah... I guess I'll just say "May you have a peaceful Christmas break" so I sound more neutral. I will still give gifts to some people, like my boss to show my respects (cause he was soooo nice during Ramadan when I fasted).
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Christmas did start off as a pagan holiday and the idea of some being visiting the children goes back many years before the birth of Jesus. Once Christianity established itself, it had to take on many pagan holidays (and some beliefs) to incorporate the pagans into Christianity. Yeshua Bar Yoseph (Jesus) was not born on December 25th, more like April or September, but the early Christian church (not knowing when he was born) decided to celebrate his birth on a day that was already a holiday. The invention of Santa Claus, St Nicholas, Father Christmas, has been taken over for commercial reasons.
bravo bravo bravo Yes. exactly.
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I don't have a problem sending a greeting for people who celebrate Christmas for its true purpose celebrating the birth of Jesus/Prophet Isa. I mean, most Muslims all over the world celebrate the birth of Prophet Muhammad and in the country where I come from, the birth of Prophet Muhammad celebration can turn into a shirk event the regional government will hold an event where a MOUNTAIN of food containing meat, veggies and fruits is presented and the people will literally FIGHT to get their hands on even a tiny portion of the food because they believe it has been blessed and they'll get good luck from eating that tiny portion -__-;;;.
And I do agree that Christmas has been transformed into something that encourages consumerism. But that applies to any religious events. Let's face it, in Eid Festival, people spend SO much money on new clothes, huge feasts etc etc. Do they really remember about the Qur'an being revealed in Ramadan? No, they care more about having their sins forgiven. They fast, they give charity and they salaat taraawih because they believe their good deeds will be rewarded many times over. And after Ramadan is over, then comes the festival of gluttony.
Enough rant, but yeah... I guess I'll just say "May you have a peaceful Christmas break" so I sound more neutral. I will still give gifts to some people, like my boss to show my respects (cause he was soooo nice during Ramadan when I fasted).
Im not going to criticize Traditionalist Muslims, without criticizing New Age Christians.
I guess thats just me personally.I dont care if it is Jesus's Real OR supposed birthday, nor do I care it it is Prophet Muhammad's real or supposed Birthday.
If they were here, Then Id say... "Happy birthday Muhammad and Jesus"...but they are not..so..
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I guess I'll just say "May you have a peaceful Christmas break" so I sound more neutral. I will still give gifts to some people, like my boss to show my respects (cause he was soooo nice during Ramadan when I fasted).
I agree with you BornAgain. I live in a small community and work in one that's not much bigger. When people put candy and other food out during my fast, my boss removes it, and tells people not to put food out during that time. I tell her it's no problem for me, but I also feel thankful I have so much respect in such a small community with no other muslims nearby. I also give my boss a gift at christmas time and don't feel the slightest bit weird about it.
Christmas time is the most giving time of the year... and I'm not talking about buying gifts. I'm talking about the high rate of charity given to so many needy people, whether they are poor, sick, dying, or otherwise. People are the kindest at christmas time. Ok, they should be kind all year, but it's the same as the muslims I know that give up alcohol, gambling, etc. during ramandan, but crack open a beer or head to the race track the first day of eid.
As far as christmas goes, my 8 year old daughter knows well what christians believe and what muslims believe. She also knows that many people won't even mention the name of jesus at christmas time and just celebrate because of tradition. She loves the pretty lights outside when we drive the neighborhood at night. She knows santa's not real (I told her a long time ago when she first heard about him), so she just thinks of santa the same way she thinks of goldilocks or cinderella... just a story that is being told for hundreds of years. She does think it's kind of weird that parents tell kids santa is real, but she understands the world is made up of many traditions so it's just not a big deal.
I have no problem wishing "happy whatever" to anyone. We can pick apart the pagan holidays all day long, but the bottom line is what's in the person's heart. Are they thinking about the pagan way, or are they just enjoying with friends and family with an innocent heart? Valentine's day and halloween are also considered pagan, but what's the harm in appreciating a loved one or dressing up like luke skywalker?
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I agree with you BornAgain. I live in a small community and work in one that's not much bigger. When people put candy and other food out during my fast, my boss removes it, and tells people not to put food out during that time. I tell her it's no problem for me, but I also feel thankful I have so much respect in such a small community with no other muslims nearby. I also give my boss a gift at christmas time and don't feel the slightest bit weird about it.
Christmas time is the most giving time of the year... and I'm not talking about buying gifts. I'm talking about the high rate of charity given to so many needy people, whether they are poor, sick, dying, or otherwise. People are the kindest at christmas time. Ok, they should be kind all year, but it's the same as the muslims I know that give up alcohol, gambling, etc. during ramandan, but crack open a beer or head to the race track the first day of eid.
As far as christmas goes, my 8 year old daughter knows well what christians believe and what muslims believe. She also knows that many people won't even mention the name of jesus at christmas time and just celebrate because of tradition. She loves the pretty lights outside when we drive the neighborhood at night. She knows santa's not real (I told her a long time ago when she first heard about him), so she just thinks of santa the same way she thinks of goldilocks or cinderella... just a story that is being told for hundreds of years. She does think it's kind of weird that parents tell kids santa is real, but she understands the world is made up of many traditions so it's just not a big deal.
I have no problem wishing "happy whatever" to anyone. We can pick apart the pagan holidays all day long, but the bottom line is what's in the person's heart. Are they thinking about the pagan way, or are they just enjoying with friends and family with an innocent heart? Valentine's day and halloween are also considered pagan, but what's the harm in appreciating a loved one or dressing up like luke skywalker?
bravo
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Happy or merry christmas?
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laugh Maybe if you said "merry" it would go over better.
OK. Merry Christmas. handshake
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This is the basis of my sermon this Sunday, I just want to know if it will offend anyone. All comments will be welcome.
Whatever happened to trust, to love, to caring for each other, to a handshake sealing a deal, to the idea that life is sacred, to brotherly love, to the idea of live and let live? Why do we all blame each other? It is nobody's fault except our own. WE have allowed it all to happen by not caring about each other but just caring about ourselves - we are all as guilty as each other. When are we humans going to realise that we are all connected to each other, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, etc, American, English, Iraqi, Iranian, and yes even the French etc. We are all the same, all part of this wonderful creation by God. Why do we not open our eyes to God?s love?
God?s love is the foundation of our fondest dreams, a fortune that can never be spent, a seed that can flourish in even the most unlikely places and this radiance that never fades, this mysterious and magical joy, is the greatest treasure of all, one known only by those who accept God?s love.
So let?s pass on that love ? next time you see a Jewish person, say ?Happy Hanukah? (12th Dec) or ?Happy Muharram? (18th Dec) to a Muslim or to a Christian ?Merry Christmas? (25th Dec). It won?t hurt you!
Peace,
but it has to be a sincere,does it not?
I mean, sure, i can wish anything to anyone but at the end of the day, it comes down to honesty,right?Peace.
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Peace,
but it has to be a sincere,does it not?
I mean, sure, i can wish anything to anyone but at the end of the day, it comes down to honesty,right?Peace.
But what is insincere about it? If I say to a Jew "Happy Hanukah", I mean that I hope they have a happy time during their celebration of Hanukah. As a God-alone Christian, I do not celebrate Jesus, but I will always say "Merry Christmas" to a traditional Christian because I truly do wish them a great time.
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I''ll post my little analasys/report on christmas after work inshallah.
Personnally, I think christmas is a Pagan Holiday used by Capitalists Corportations to encourage Consumerism.
It make it acceptiable to the christian world, They Implamented Jesus Christ in the story. That way it seems "okay".Well.. it's very much quite similar to 'encircling the black stone' rites which is a Pagan custom used by the Arabs to encourage Tourism to Makkah.
Thus they make it 'mandatory' to the Muslim world, they implanted Muhammad, Angels, Abraham, Ishmail and many other myths into the story.
That way they make it "Mandatory" for every one claimed to be Muslim to do such rites.Anyway I Wish A Happy and Peaceful Holiday To You All.. on whatever day you considered as holy..
Salam / Peace
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The best one I had was today, when a work colleague who knows I'm muslim wished me a merry christmas....... and she's an atheist.
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I think communication of the sentiment is the main thing people wish to express.
I agree, and that sentiment is not a bad thing
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I feel bad for the Kind Hearted Christians who actually Like and beleive in this Holiday...
Meaning, I feel bad for them in a Genuinely Nice way...(Not being sarcastic or arrogant).
Because, There is SO much "Evilness" that has made this Holiday so Commercialized and Immoral....Its like Society has Lost its "Respect" for Christmas, and Lost its True Spirit for it. (whether its a real or fake holiday)...
For instance, I was watching a Commercial today about a Movie that is Coming out called "Its Complicated"
what P***ed me off was that The movie is about a Love Triangle with a Divorced woman, who is In her sexual prime, and Loves a new man, but also Loves her Ex, and its all cooky crazy complicated sexual affairs going on...Well, this didnt make me ENTIERLY angry because there is always Stupid Movies like this and Sex and the City, Desperate Housewives, etc...
But the real part that mad me mad was that It comes out on CHRISTMAS DAY! Out of ALL THE DAYS to come out.Its like, wow, Lets take the day that is Supposed to be about Family Values...and release this Movie about Sexual Affairs with Divorced Sexual Women.
Yeah! thats REALLY family orientated. In fact, Everyone Please bring your family to see it on Christmas day...yeah.... yuck brickwall confusedOh, what is the world coming to?
