Yahweh's Volcano, Sodom, Mohammed and Arabia
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Isreal = Jacob. I have been thinking about the issue of Israel having been a person. Do you have any proof?
No where in the Quran does it call the children of Israel 'Israel'. Thats a silly nationalist word that is wrong and has no relation to the Quran. Israel is a man. There is no clear evidence in the Quran that he is Jacob. But as usual, as everything in the Quran is apparently vague, you can deduce from the general knowledge of the abrahamic religions.
393 All the food was made lawful to the Children of Israel except what Israel forbade for himself before the Torah was sent down. Say "Bring the Torah and recite it if you are truthful."
Aside from the weirdness of the verse, Israel is clearly a person who prohibited what God didn't prohibit!!
Peace.
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Peace
Israel is a man.
Proof please.
But as usual, as everything in the Quran is apparently vague
282 These are the signs of the clear book
5417 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
5422 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
5432 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
5440 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?393 All the food was made lawful to the Children of Israel except what Israel forbade for himself before the Torah was sent down. Say "Bring the Torah and recite it if you are truthful."
Aside from the weirdness of the verse, Israel is clearly a person who prohibited what God didn't prohibit!!
That is a bit far-fetched. It is possible that Israel as a nation prohibited things that God didnt prohibit.
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Peace
Proof please.
282 These are the signs of the clear book
5417 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
5422 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
5432 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?
5440 We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?That is a bit far-fetched. It is possible that Israel as a nation prohibited things that God didibt prohibit.
The verse says HIMSELF! What more proof do you want?! Israel forbade things on himself and so his sons followed him. It is as simple as that. I guess Israel was on a diet.
Regarding the Israel in Arabia, this theory is not a joke, a 1000 page research have been released comparing the Torah, Secular Arab History and Jahliyia poetry showing very suspicious resemblance.
http//www.manbaralrai.com/?q=node/36317
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Peace
Proof please.
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These are they unto whom Allah showed favour from among the prophets, of the seed of Adam and of those whom We carried (in the ship) with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom We guided and chose. When the revelations of the Beneficent were recited unto them, they fell down, adoring and weeping.
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All food was lawful unto the Children of Israel, save that which Israel forbade himself, (in days) before the Torah was revealed. Say Produce the Torah and read it (unto us) if ye are truthful.
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The whole area of ancient Midian of Western Arabia bordering the Red Sea
with ancient ruins and Jebel Tur/Mt Sinai which has been found and is
sealed off by the Saudis. It is the mountain exactly characterized by
the Bible with its blackened peak and also adjacent altar for the
cow idol with the smoothened rock where Moses struck it for water
although there is no water there now.
This mountain was found by Ron Wyatt an amateur archaeologist and
hurriedly the Saudis clamped off the area.
Just go to Google Earth and type Jebel AlLawz and you will be directed
to this mountain.
I believe this area alongwith surrounding areas is where Muhammad was
s there is a lot of ancient ruins here as great history has transired here.
Plus Saudi Arabia is not what it was thousnds of years ago. Great earth
changes has taken place since then and the terrain we see now is
definitely not what it was back then. But that is another topic. -
An ancient land called "Israel" is probably a Zionist propaganda; possibly the earliest mention of Israel, a thirteenth century b.c stela puts it down as a people or a population.
@ramiConclusion The Holy Land is in Western Arabia together with the House of God and the Holy Mountain 'Sinai'.
I think I had posted something about the Mount of Revelation being in Arabia, but can't seem to find it at the moment.
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hurriedly the Saudis clamped off the area.
Yes that's all they know how to do "Hurriedly clamp, hide and mislead".
When Kamal Salibi published his book "The Torah Came from Arabia" in 1985, They "hurriedly" bulldozed vast regions of Asir. If you travel to the area now, the bedouins living there will tell you about it all. They will tell you how Wahabis "hurriedly" came storming into the area in their military vehicles, with their turbans flying behind them in the wind and their bellies bouncing up and down.
You see they are afraid of two things, which are a danger to their ever-growing bellies
1- That Israel will invade Arabia and re-establish the kigdom of David. (Although Salibi made it vehemently clear that the concept of "Israelite" and "Jew" are two completely different matters, and that the "Banu Israel" mentioned in the Quran do NOT exist anymore, but have "melted" with other peoples throughout the ages.
2- That their false history will be exposed. They are afraid becasue the alledged Nightly Journey of Muhamad from Mecca to Jerusalem (Palestine) and him praying there in the "masjid aqsa" will be proven to be a fallacy.
Everything is their under their noses. Huge pillars near the town of Misrama ("Masraim" as spectacular as those in Egypt, stone towers near Yemeni border in Southern Asir which continue to baffle the mind, the Temple of Solomon, etc... IT's ALL THERE.
I am willing to bet my life that if an excavation is ever done there, that Noah's arc will also be found on some high plateau.
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And Israel is in Arabia. And Israel is Jacob btw not a land!
The Amalekites and Canaan are around the region of Mecca.
The Jordan are the mountaineous ridge east to Hijaz. It is NOT a river.
The OT doesn't recognize the dead sea AT ALL!!!
What a good news for Palestinians!
I shall inform Netanyahu about this immediately..
Benjamin let's re-orient the Aliyah to Saudi Arabia!
Put IDF on alert, take the land by force! -
What a good news for Palestinians!
I shall inform Netanyahu about this immediately..
Benjamin let's re-orient the Aliyah to Saudi Arabia!
Put IDF on alert, take the land by force!LOL.
First, they won't believe this theory.
Second, they are not that religious.
The idea that Israel is the holy land and the Jews should stay there is simply nationalistic pride to keep the masses united.
And if turned out that Israel is indeed in Arabia, they won't move an inch. They will only become demoralized and most will leave Israel.
I advice the Palestinians to leave the land to the Israelis and the Arabs should welcome them wholeheartedly.
497 Those whom the Angels take, while they had wronged their souls; they said "What situation were you in?", they said "We were oppressed on Earth." They said "Was God's Earth not wide enough that you could emigrate in it?" To these their abode will be Hell; what a miserable destiny!
Migrate from the tyrants. jedi
Peace.
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Second, they are not that religious.
The idea that Israel is the holy land and the Jews should stay there is simply nationalistic pride to keep the masses united.
And if turned out that Israel is indeed in Arabia, they won't move an inch. They will only become demoralized and most will leave Israel.
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Exactly.. since they're not religious and it is turned out that Israel is indeed in Arabia,
It will make 'an aliyah to Saudi Arabia' more profitable and sound options for them since- The so-called holy land of Israel doesn't possess any Oil reserves.
- Saudi Arabia is the #1 Oil producer in the world! with #1 in proven oil reserves.
Count the ROI, it DOES make sense...
I advice the Palestinians to leave the land to the Israelis and the Arabs should welcome them wholeheartedly.
497 Those whom the Angels take, while they had wronged their souls; they said "What situation were you in?", they said "We were oppressed on Earth." They said "Was God's Earth not wide enough that you could emigrate in it?" To these their abode will be Hell; what a miserable destiny!
Migrate from the tyrants. jedi
A very good advice... although I prefer to see the racist Israel (and also Palestine) country eventually got dissolved.
And a new country is emerging which shall be named as "United Democratic Republic Of Canaan" or something like that.
Where the jews, the arabs, the chinese, the japanese, tibetans, british whatever.. could lived there in peace..
Let's face it the two state solution doesn't work...Salam / Peace
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I totally Hypothesis and agree that Soddam and Ghamorah was destroyed by the Giant Volcano.
I thought about that After watching the Documentary calling "Amazing Earth" or something like that....Anyways, Basically the Quran says It Rained Fire and Rocks...(which can only mean two things, Either a Valcano or a asteroid), Historically speaking, It would logically have been a Volcano.
You Remi said that YWH is a Volcano God? I dont think so. I think Just Because Allah Destroyed a Town by Use of a Volcano doesn't really mean HE is a Volcano. laugh
Apparently, The same God Caused a Massive Flood, so does that now make him the flood god instead?
laugh astaghfirullah
Or does him causing the Tower of Bable to fall make him the Architectural destroyer god?
astaghfirullahI see it that Allah is the Most Powerful and Uses Natural Disasters to Punish people.
(it actually says that in the Quran btw.)To an Atheist, I guess theyd say the "Prophets" were just smart Scientists who knew the Volcano or Flood was Coming wile the others did not listen...I think they got this Prior Knowledge from God (Allah)
But defiantly, I think that Volcano thing is True...
It says in the Bible Lot's Wife Turned to a Pilliar of Salt...Probably means the Acidic Cloud consumed her like the movie Dante's Peak?
I also Agree with Israel being a Person not a place.
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I also Agree with Israel being a Person not a place.
Wasn't israel the prophet jacob (yagoob)?
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Wasn't israel the prophet jacob (yagoob)?
It depends, perhaps around 4000 years ago the word 'Israel' was known as a showbiz nickname for a guy called Jacob..
It is said that Jacob earned the nickname 'Israel' after he won a WWF match against The Defending Superboss named The Rock a.k.a Dwayne Johnson.
The big match is said to last the whole saturday night-time, aired live universe-wide, and it was a close-call.The Rock managed to damage Jacob's thigh during the match.
Although Jacob's dramatically closes the match with a good chair smack-down towards The Rock forehead and won the match.
To commemorate those big smack down event; Jacob's descendant did not eat the sinew of the hip which is upon the hollow of the thigh up until now..
While his arch rival; descendants of The Rock still commemorate that event by paying homage to The Black Rock by encircling it 7 times once a year.But now the word "Israel" refers to a country which actually more suitable to be named "Jewishtan".
Salam / Peace
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It depends, perhaps around 4000 years ago the word 'Israel' was known as a showbiz nickname for a guy called Jacob..
It is said that Jacob earned the nickname 'Israel' after he won a WWF match against The Defending Superboss named The Rock a.k.a Dwayne Johnson.
The big match is said to last the whole saturday night-time, aired live universe-wide, and it was a close-call.The Rock managed to damage Jacob's thigh during the match.
Although Jacob's dramatically closes the match with a good chair smack-down towards The Rock forehead and won the match.
To commemorate those big smack down event; Jacob's descendant did not eat the sinew of the hip which is upon the hollow of the thigh up until now..
While his arch rival; descendants of The Rock still commemorate that event by paying homage to The Black Rock by encircling it 7 times once a year.But now the word "Israel" refers to a country which actually more suitable to be named "Jewishtan".
Salam / Peace
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I advice the Palestinians to leave the land to the Israelis and the Arabs should welcome them wholeheartedly.
497 Those whom the Angels take, while they had wronged their souls; they said "What situation were you in?", they said "We were oppressed on Earth." They said "Was God's Earth not wide enough that you could emigrate in it?" To these their abode will be Hell; what a miserable destiny!
Migrate from the tyrants. jedi
Peace.
Yes, but that is talking about people whom the angels/controllers take while they wronged themselves and not just anyone.
If a Palestinian farmer or shephard is killed, will he go to hell because he didn't emigrate before when he had the chance? Yes the earth is spacious. Is it correct for me to imply that you meant the Arabs are not welcoming of the Palestinians, and that they should be?
I am not sure if this applies to a historical context (the early muslims) or applies always, but if it applies always, does the Qu'ran not say to fight those who come to evict you from your homes? And a person will go the hell for this?
Maybe if the person dies fighting oppression while committing the only unforgiveable sin (shirk) at the same time, sure. How about a muslim who does not die fighting oppression while simultaneously committing the only unforgiveable sin (shirk), but dies fighting against oppression and people trying to evict him or others from their homes, farms, neighbourhoods, grazing areas without comitting shirk, will they go to hell if they die doing this?
How about not even fighting physically, what about Palestinians who die for speaking out against their and/or the oppression in general (we are told to speak justly) not while committing shirk, or Palestinians who are killed completely randomly (for whatever reason, like an Israeli soldier in a bad mood or something or a stray bullet, artillery shell, inordinate airstrike etc.), without even saying anything or committing any acts of physical violence while not committing shirk? Are they going to hell too?
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Yes, but that is talking about people whom the angels/controllers take while they wronged themselves and not just anyone.
If a Palestinian farmer or shephard is killed, will he go to hell because he didn't emigrate before when he had the chance? Yes the earth is spacious. Is it correct for me to imply that you meant the Arabs are not welcoming of the Palestinians, and that they should be?
I am not sure if this applies to a historical context (the early muslims) or applies always, but if it applies always, does the Qu'ran not say to fight those who come to evict you from your homes? And a person will go the hell for this?
Maybe if the person dies fighting oppression while committing the only unforgiveable sin (shirk) at the same time, sure. How about a muslim who does not die fighting oppression while simultaneously committing the only unforgiveable sin (shirk), but dies fighting against oppression and people trying to evict him or others from their homes, farms, neighbourhoods, grazing areas without comitting shirk, will they go to hell if they die doing this?
How about not even fighting physically, what about Palestinians who die for speaking out against their and/or the oppression in general (we are told to speak justly) not while committing shirk, or Palestinians who are killed completely randomly (for whatever reason, like an Israeli soldier in a bad mood or something or a stray bullet, artillery shell, inordinate airstrike etc.), without even saying anything or committing any acts of physical violence while not committing shirk? Are they going to hell too?
Peace AK85,
You are right, the palestinians are stuck. I still don't know how God will judge the present world! Everyone seems to have his reasons and most have it out of good will! So I leave these complex judgements to God. But palestinians is better to show mercy to themselves and leave. Thats the best strategy right now in my opinion. They have to get rid of the palestinian identity, it is not quranic anyway.
Peace.
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Interesting concept. I believe that as God created the universe, then the whole universe must be Holy Land
There is a problem with this argument..
http//www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8XmtW_fIj68
http//www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iNpufW3_yVs
It's synonymous with the term "Existence".. You're arguing for the impossible because you can not create that which you require to exist. And of course there is this problem with that argument as well
EXISTENCE BOOK OF ORIGINS
http//thejackelscolumn.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/existence-book-of-origins/Regardless, the topic of Yahweh being a volcano GOD is an interesting one because it's most likely true. And no it's not likely a volcano in Arabia giving Exodus is most likely in reference to the Thera Eruption. Yes the super volcanic eruption in which triggered the collapse of the bronze age.. The revelation of yahweh is mostly the merger of moon and mountain god worship.. Yahweh is one of the sons of EL to whom gets equated with El Shaddai the GOD of Abraham. Abraham to whom came from Ur, a place where the moon god Sin was worshiped. A deity in which Abraham's father and likely his grandfather worshiped. He comes to the city Shaddai and makes the Patron deity his primary deity. El Shaddai is also known as the usurper and attested to his shining mountain. He became a moon mountain GOD as god of the mountains who dwells at Mt Sinai. There is a ton of evidence supporting this.. I joined this fora admittedly to address this topic because some of you might be interested in the evidence in which supports that hypothesis. I outlined this over 3 articles here, and it goes pretty deep
Part 1
http//thejackelscolumn.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/yahweh-the-worshiping-of-a-volcano-fire-god-of-war/Part 2
http//thejackelscolumn.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/mountain-god-worship-yahweh-god-of-the-mountains/Part 3
http//thejackelscolumn.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/yahweh-the-rock-of-israel/And I've recently come across further evidence to which I will place in citation in the first article as an update sometime this week here
http//web.archive.org/web/20111227182804/http/www.therafoundation.org/articles/chronololy/astorminegyptduringthereignofahmose/view?searchterm=
Cheers )
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Salaam,
It might be a good theory that Canaan is the mountain range which Mecca is neighbor to, but it does not fit my theory of Pharisees = Persians. However my mind is always open to alternatives. However, I doubt that Abraham traveled from Ur to Canaan where Mecca is with his wife and all of his possessions, but I have not excluded the possibility altogether. For Abraham is, according to the Jewish scriptures at least, told to have traveled and spent time in Canaan and then went up to Har(r)an in today's south Turkey, north of Iraq. Somehow I feel that today's Mecca is a fraud but it is difficult to prove true or false because of hypocritical people possessing these lands and preventing honest excavation. The Kaaba' is a building which was originally formed like a typical cathedral as per evidence next to the present building and relatively obvious historical records that the building was rebuilt a few hundred years ago to make a cube out of it for some reason. It is a pretty tiny building that is being used in worship and it is like walking around a storage shed instead of something representing God. Compare this building to the grand temples of God in the north and it looks like a joke. Even without being knowledgeable in Arabic I can tell that the circumvention thought to be mentioned in Qur'an means to encompass the building, i.e. travel to the location. It seems to have been a location much like a monk's abbey where you contemplate and purify yourself that you may become closer to God. The ritualistic walking around the building several times seems more like something from Paganism and that God is a neanderthal god which needs to be "triggered" by a certain behavior, like the riddles in adventure video games.
The Phillistines seems to have been a hostile tribal people overall and they would not have let safe passage to strangers and I am sure they lived east of northern Egypt and up towards today's Israel and even possessed these lands.
Even if Israel was a promised people they have more than forfeited their rights by now even if there exists an old covenant. However anyone can choose to take up on God's covenant and become prosperous. The Children of Israel as per Qur'an is an example God brings up in Qur'an of a people who repeatedly have failed to heed the Message or become forgetful of the Covenant of God.
As we can see in Qur'an there is a Messenger and way of God for each community. The Israeli rules and restrictions were active for those who followed these teachings while certain teachings were active for those who chose to follow Qur'an, the renewed Message anno 7th century, which fundamental part remained the same however as always.
But we are told to follow the creed of Abraham so it is this sign we are to follow; it is before Israel's time and the Jewish Covenant about the prosperity of Moses' people, so Abraham was not really part of this and why God said Abraham was neither Jew nor Christian. Obviously it is an opener and encouragement that you do not have to be sad because you were not born in the Israeli tribes but in your own people with your own chances, and also show that people in the past were not so righteous just because they were part of a covenant. Well, it also acted as a clear warning to those who follow the Jewish and Christian Faith, that part of the Message.
Basically, if one understands Qur'an, the Message is not as difficult as people make it, this has remained the same even if the details might have differed between people
http//farm6.staticflickr.com/5546/10816793444_18c10caea7.jpg
Sorry if I spam this diagram, but it is my way of showing the simplicity of the Message.
God bless you
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Why a volcano and not an asteroid?
What timeframe are we looking at? Lot (Peace upon all Prophets) was a nephew of Abraham, so this should set some time frame...perhaps circa 4,000 years ago?
I've seen a few of these; these are samples for consideration.
http//biblehub.com/timeline/
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_BibleBtw, has anyone done anything similar based only on AQ? I have only found chronology for when verses were revealed.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi