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    R_H_-Ustahi
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    Dear Edip,

    2964 This worldly life is no more than play and distraction, while the abode of the Hereafter is the reality, if they only knew.

    4736 This worldly life is no more than play and vanity. But if you believe and lead a righteous life, He will reward you, and He will not ask you for your wealth.

    The point was that God does as he pleases with his creation. That's simple.

    and i seek refuge with God from people's ignorance, starting from my own.

    It is impossible to know God without knowing the self and it is impossible to know self without knowing The God.

    If and when you drown the intellect in the ocean of love, you'll get the meanings behind my words. Till then...

    Peace,
    R.

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      Edip_Yuksel
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      I expected you to bring those verses to our attention. Thank you.

      If God stated in one verse that He did not create this world for play, but depicted it as such in other verses, then either there is a contradiction or the reference points are different.

      This lowly life is created for a divine purpose whith serious consequences for us, which is not a game. But if we indulge and preoccupied with it, then we will miss our mission here and it will turn to a game a temporary show off among us.

      Peace,
      Edip

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        pinkmars
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        Belief is human ability to turn things into lies.

          1. We have offered the trust to the heavens and the Earth, and the mountains, but they refused to bear it, and were fearful of it. But the human being accepted it; he was transgressing, ignorant.

        This is simple, but till the point where the trust is not carried with the eyesight, is the journey of rebirth and getting into light.

        And that is tough.

        If you trust the seen you'll miss the unseen. Because the seen is the sum of form, and God is without beginning nor end, formless wisdom which applies to any form. The belief dictates one's gravity. The gravity of the mind has to be in harmony with that of the earth and what keeps Universe together.

        Whatever you trust besides God, you'll get limited by it. Because the form is anything with limits, and beyond any limit is the Praiseworthy One.

        Attachment on forms is a symptom of trust on them. Dettachment from forms is the path to liberty. And this teach many wiseful cultures. Wherever you drill on the earth, you'll aim towards the core. And the core of the earth is part of the sun.

        Wooooowwwwww bravo Never ending search ! The real joy and the real beauty in the meaning of life !

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          R_H_-Ustahi
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          Wooooowwwwww bravo Never ending search ! The real joy and the real beauty in the meaning of life !

          Thank you pinkmars. There is a reason why Prophets have taught in metaphors and not directly.

          Because people who have sense will get to their heart. And those who are lost in the forests of their own beliefs, won't.

          This thread is a nice example.

          2543 Have you seen the one who has taken his ego as his god? Will you be a caretaker over him?

          2544 Or do you think that most of them hear or understand? They are just like cattle. No, they are worse off.

          Peace,
          R.

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            Thank you pinkmars. There is a reason why Prophets have taught in metaphors and not directly.

            Because people who have sense will get to their heart. And those who are lost in the forests of their own beliefs, won't.

            This thread is a nice example.

            2543 Have you seen the one who has taken his ego as his god? Will you be a caretaker over him?

            2544 Or do you think that most of them hear or understand? They are just like cattle. No, they are worse off.

            Peace,
            R.

            Here is exactly what I had smelled in the beginning. Just after finding someone impressed by his aphorisms, Ustahi jumped on to his horse and indirectly accused me of worshiping my ego for questioning his craft.

            Here is a question for Ustahi

            Do you believe in intercession of saints and prophets?

            Peace,
            Edip

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              R_H_-Ustahi
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              When Love comes suddenly and taps

              on your window, run and let it in but first,

              shut the door of your reason.

              Even the smallest hint chases love away

              like smoke that drowns the freshness

              of the morning breeze.

              To reason Love can only say,

              the way is barred, you can't pass through

              but to the lover it offers a hundred blessings.

              Before the mind decides to take a step

              Love has reached the seventh heaven.

              Before the mind can figure how

              Love has climbed the Holy Mountain.

              I must stop this talk now and let

              Love speak from its nest of silence.

              ~Rumi

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                The true knowledge of God is not in books and intellect but in love and commitment.

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                  justice
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                  "Let go of your worries and be completly clear-hearted, like the face of a mirror that contains no images. If you want a clear mirror, behold yourself and see the shameless truth which the mirror reflects. If metal can be polished to a mirror-like finish, what polishing might the mirror of the heart require? Between the mirror and the heart is this single difference the heart conceals secrets, while the mirror does not." Rumi... So men of Godly courage leave angels and chase the Almighty.

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                    pinkmars
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                    The true knowledge of God is not in books and intellect but in love and commitment.

                    Hmmmmmmmmm ??? ??? ???

                    Mind is something that we are not totally aware. I believe I must have love and commitment to have my share o f knowledge of God .But still the mind carries the key about achiving real love and showing true commitment . Emotions are cultivated in the boundaries of mind .

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                      MUNZIR_ALI
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                      Hmmmmmmmmm ??? ??? ???

                      Mind is something that we are not totally aware. I believe I must have love and commitment to have my share o f knowledge of God .But still the mind carries the key about achiving real love and showing true commitment . Emotions are cultivated in the boundaries of mind .

                      bravo bravo

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