How sex before Marriage is not haram (prohibited) according to the Quran
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Great Post indeed Bigmo! ;D D
I really enjoyed that!
I from my "limited" understanding I agree with you about what marriage means.I see it as a Union of a Male and Female (some times up to 4 females under Serious conditions/agreement)
Financial/living/sex/some form of dowery, and Community Recognition that you two are taken....so that people can bear witness for or against you.When you are having Pre-marital sex, there is no way to prove anything.
To me, Homosexual sex is as useless as fornication/promiscuous relationships.Its like....if your intention is not to Marry...Then Dont have sex. period.
Realistically, Sex is really just Pro-creation. thats all it is.... Pleasure is only an additional aspect that is packaged within...
Most of us...( I dont want to be a hypocrate)... Issue Pleasure as the Number 1 reason/purpose for sex.
But Realistically/Logically, the Number 1 reason/purpose for sex is "BABY MAKING"...
and Baby Making is best done when the two Parties have decided to Creat a Union togeather.Its like the SUN and the RAIN. The Developement of a Seed that grows into a Plant needs Both SUN and Water...
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The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance"), argument by lack of imagination, or negative evidence, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.
The argument from personal incredulity, also known as argument from personal belief or argument from personal conviction, refers to an assertion that because one personally finds a premise unlikely or unbelievable, the premise can be assumed to be false, or alternatively that another preferred but unproven premise is true instead.
Both arguments commonly share this structure a person regards the lack of evidence for one view as constituting proof that another view is true. The types of fallacies discussed in this article should not be confused with the reductio ad absurdum method of argument, in which a valid logical contradiction of the form "A and not A" is used to disprove a premise.
Eating my own Feces wile having premarital sex with 10 women and 10 men wile sucking on a Pork-Fat made Popsicle and snorting cocain/injecting heorin
Is NOT HARAM because The Quran never mentions that! (Fallacy)Reasoning Only Pork FAT is haram, (eating feces are not haram) Having sex with Multipul non-married partners is not Haram, Beging Homosexual is not haram, and also The Quran Doesnt actually Forbid Alcohol or any drugs...So therefore snorting Cocain and ingecting Black tar heroin Must be Acceptible....
Just because the Quran doesnt say something doesnt make it Halal and it doesnt make it Haraam. That is called Argument to Ignorance Fallacy.
Rather I would Use My Logic and Verses of the Quran.
For instance, In the Quran it says "EAT GOOD FOOD"...Therefore, Obviously You should not eat Pork FAT or your own Feces since those are "Bad Foods"...
It says to guard your chasity and do not commit Zina (Fornication OR adultery) and it says Stay Away from Intoxicants...That could be Alcohol AND Cocain and Heroin... and it always Talks about WIVES, therefore Obviously ONLY a WOMAN can be a Wife, and ONLY a WIFE can be a Gril to have sex with...(not a Grilfriend or a Co-Worker)Remember The Quran says That There WILL be those who Use their twisted Logic to try and misinterpet verses of scripture to fit their Life style.
There are many meanings in the Quran...Some Rightious people and God understand them, and Some people pervert interpetation.Salam R
Indeed there are those who wish to follow their desires and thus forgoe and manipulate their own reasoning and the evidence from a scripture they are supposedly upholding just so instead of what could be the truth, they can stick to their desirous beliefs.
A classis exmaple. Some sunnis. They will turn away from much evidence just because their desperate to maintain their beliefs.
The argument from ignorance and personal incredulity.....it's interesting to me that in some of my replys I commented and discussed the verses and refuted or accepted things via the verses. What i see from you is a dislike so strong that you are not even willing to approach the scripture with an open mind on this issue. My reason for this assumption, is your tone, your lack of quoting the Quran and your lack of attention to what's been already said on the thread. If you have an objection from the Quran, then point to it so it can be discussed. Because your personal dislike on this issue is strong (from what it looks like) i doubt that me and you will get anywhere by trying to reason on this issue. So let's use the scripture.
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Salam Sarah
Objections, Zina
1732 zina is a fahisha don?t go ?NEAR? it. You saidHow else do you take it? Focus on zina not fahisha. Zina as fornication and as adultery, do you take it to mean something else?
No, no, no, no, no you silly boy! Who said sex was just for children? What about all the women who cannot get pregnant and the men who cannot father? No, the objection is not about children/pregnancy or not. It?s about the legal grounds of it, the act or not. Having children is just a stronger argument against it.I see it purely as someone who is already married having sex outside of marriage. Or someone having sex with someone else with the knowledge that they are married or someone having sex with other than MMA. The story of Joseph provides an example.
It?s good only within bounds, until proven. so don't categorise yet. prove it then say it is good/lawful
Sex is a good thing. Like everything else how it's used and done effect it's goodness or make it bad. But to automatically say that the whole of sex is prohibited unless in nikah is unfair IMO. Consider the less controversial exmaples.
My point is for you to think that it's not (just) about premarital sex. you think mma automatically means someone to have sex with that is my point to look outside the box you're clouded with.
I am arguing from Quran alone first then i plan on discussing this in more detail. MMA can range but ultimately it is someone who you have an oath with. The seriousness of this oath can also range. But Private parts need not be guarded to them just as they need not be guarded with spouses and so far i have argued that sex can be done with MMA as there is nothing that limits how the private parts should be guarded except what i have already stated in the article.
From where in AQ are you getting this limitation from that sex cannot be done with MMA? Is it the absence of guidelines? or something else? Whatever it is, if you make that point clear or the most important point clear, then we can progress a bit faster. You have mentioned various things so far and i have answered them to my abillity. Where do you think i have not sufficiently answered?
I read it I thought it was the separation about the weaning but let?s go by your thought. Read the contexts, the verses before and after are about wives, why? This verse specifically says mothers because I think there is a reason. Not all wives have children or their own children. E.g. go into marriage with husband who has children or vice versa. So it?s specific as to who is the responsible not that it is evidence of premarital responsibilities.
I spent about an hour looking at those verses from 2224 onwards. Why not state married mother as free-minds have translated? or more importantly why say seperate in place of talagh? This is a clear guideline for ALL mothers and fathers. I am confident that more will surface if we look into it. The subject of oaths is one in which much can be derived from.
This is how I see it, Quran seems to be for marriage, advices about marriage why not mma? there is a hikma behind it, at least i think there is. Anyway later this week or next I?m going to look into things and see what comes up
what is hikma?
The Quran is a complete book. It would not leave anything out. For sex to be restricted only to spouses, it would have been made sufficiently clear. I don't see that it has. I see more guidelines for a nikah contract because it is a very serious commitment and thus the necessity of more guidelines. I believe sufficient guidelines are there for relationships with someone outside of marriage.Good luck with your research.
May God guide to the truthpeace
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The reason why we are going in circles is because you are not defining what do you mean by the term "husband and wife" and how is that different from any other couple.
If we look at the criteria as laid out in the Quran(i have not researched this as its not been my interest so far) it talks about man and woman, it talks about providence and financial obligation, and it talks about living together, and it talks about lack of sexual promiscuity.
WE can try to see what are the criteria the Quran laid out. But saying marriage and husband and wife and assuming that this seperates itself from any other couple is ambiquous argument.
Prostitution does not fit this criteria.
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A sura which We have sent down and which We have ordained in it have We sent down Clear Signs, in order that ye may receive admonition.
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The woman and the man guilty of adultery ,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
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Let no man guilty of adultery marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.
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And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after for such men are wicked transgressors;-
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Unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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And for those who launch a charge against their spouses, and have (in support) no evidence but their own,- their solitary evidence (can be received) if they bear witness four times (with an oath) by Allah that they are solemnly telling the truth;
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And the fifth (oath) (should be) that they solemnly invoke the curse of Allah on themselves if they tell a lie.
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But it would avert the punishment from the wife, if she bears witness four times (with an oath) By Allah, that (her husband) is telling a lie;
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And the fifth (oath) should be that she solemnly invokes the wrath of Allah on herself if (her accuser) is telling the truth.
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If it were not for Allah.s grace and mercy on you, and that Allah is Oft- Returning, full of Wisdom,- (Ye would be ruined indeed).
Here we can see that primiscuity is forbidden. But what we are not defining is what the Quran means by "azwaj". We know the Quran uses that turn to mean some form of partnership and some form of companionship and some form of aoth and responsibility. It also as I said seem to indicate living arrangement and financial arrangement perhaps with knowledge of family or community. We also know there is some form of dowry though this is not compulsory. I am not sure about all this since I have not really looked into it and just relying on memeory of the various verses.
It also seems to betalking about man and woman. Thats a very similar arrangement to any commited couples who live together and share responsibilities to each othet and some from of sexual obligation towards each other.
Before we talk about this subject we should first tried to define what is meant by marriage and what are the criteria laid out in the Quran that defines that relationship and then we can talk about sex outside marriage. Was not the verses I quoted is talking about sex outside of that marriage arrangement or am I wrong.
My Arabic is not good and many of these woman and man verses in the Quran have been fudged by Sunnis and the original Arabic regarding these verses tend to be difficult.
Maybe Samia can contribute to tranlsat some of the verses regarding this subject.
I just want to know what do we mean by marriage.
Whe the question was raised like pre marital sex, its not clear what is meant by that. If we are talking about what happens sometimes is that couples simply did not file some papar work and thus are having pre marital sex, then I fail to see how that fits the Quran's definition of Zina.
If you are talking about casual sex, then this fits the zina definition especially where there is an obligation you have with somebody else. Casual sex is only prostitution or one night standers. But then again the Quran seems to highlight this form of sex only when a person has an obligation and partnership wih someone else.
Sunnis see this different. For them a marriage is simply some process even if the couple do not share a living arrangement and financial obligation. Anotherwords, you shake a few hands, sign some papers, bring a few people around and 5 minutes later you are married" and now you can treat her like a mistress.
Salam Bigmo
I am not currently discussing what = marriage according to AQ or how to fulfill the criteria of being husband or wife via AQ. What i'm discussing is outside of Nikah.
peace
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Quran is a Guide -not mere laws to be practised! Its based on Brain, Decision to live a just life & the Practical Steps.
IMO the Quran is a guide but with laws and advice to be followed. Laws and advice to be based on the brain and not followed untill acknowledged by the brain in an impartial manner. It is for your benefit and not God's. The scripture itself makes these clear.
peace
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Salam R
Indeed there are those who wish to follow their desires and thus forgoe and manipulate their own reasoning and the evidence from a scripture they are supposedly upholding just so instead of what could be the truth, they can stick to their desirous beliefs.
A classis exmaple. Some sunnis. They will turn away from much evidence just because their desperate to maintain their beliefs.
The argument from ignorance and personal incredulity.....it's interesting to me that in some of my replys I commented and discussed the verses and refuted or accepted things via the verses. What i see from you is a dislike so strong that you are not even willing to approach the scripture with an open mind on this issue. My reason for this assumption, is your tone, your lack of quoting the Quran and your lack of attention to what's been already said on the thread. If you have an objection from the Quran, then point to it so it can be discussed. Because your personal dislike on this issue is strong (from what it looks like) i doubt that me and you will get anywhere by trying to reason on this issue. So let's use the scripture.
Salaaam Nim,
Well, Its not so much that I am Strong and offensive, Its just my sarcasm..... Im sorry, sometimes I can get sarcastic and sound intolerable.
I understand what you are saying completely. Of course, We should look at the Quran with an Open Mind. But after reading the Previous Scripture, (Gospel and Torah) Because the Quran Does instruct us to do, and reading the Context of the Quran, it would seem that there is a natural consensus that Pre-Marital sex is forbidden or should stay awayfrom. There are many implications, and many illicit things that can arrise out of this.I guess part of the reason why I may have seemed a little strongly against this is because of ther Personal experiences I have seen. Within my childhood I have seen how Pre-marital fornication and Permiscuuousness has effected my family structure in a negitive way. So Perhaps I may have some sort of Bias thoughts toawrds it.
I guess I have never seen any good arrise out of this in my family or in anybody elses life. So that to me is proof enough (even if it is a Fallacy).
I will inshallah try to use Quran next time to support my claims. I do wish to ingage in this discussion in a Logical and Intellectual way to further progress my understanding of Islam.
PEACE/Salaam
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Salaaam Nim,
Well, Its not so much that I am Strong and offensive, Its just my sarcasm..... Im sorry, sometimes I can get sarcastic and sound intolerable.
I understand what you are saying completely. Of course, We should look at the Quran with an Open Mind. But after reading the Previous Scripture, (Gospel and Torah) Because the Quran Does instruct us to do, and reading the Context of the Quran, it would seem that there is a natural consensus that Pre-Marital sex is forbidden or should stay awayfrom. There are many implications, and many illicit things that can arrise out of this.I guess part of the reason why I may have seemed a little strongly against this is because of ther Personal experiences I have seen. Within my childhood I have seen how Pre-marital fornication and Permiscuuousness has effected my family structure in a negitive way. So Perhaps I may have some sort of Bias thoughts toawrds it.
I guess I have never seen any good arrise out of this in my family or in anybody elses life. So that to me is proof enough (even if it is a Fallacy).
I will inshallah try to use Quran next time to support my claims. I do wish to ingage in this discussion in a Logical and Intellectual way to further progress my understanding of Islam.
PEACE/Salaam
Salam R
Sorry to hear about the bad experiences you've come across of sex outside marriage. Perhaps it is a bad thing alltogether but perhaps like all other things, there is good and bad in it.
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And what is the verses in surat al noor talking about then?
Which part? In relation to what?
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In relationship to sex outside nikah or marriage as you call it or commited couples as I call it.
Are you talking about the issue of lowering the gaze and guarding the private parts?
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I think ultimatily When it comes down to it there are two Aspects to having sex with a Partner. (Obviously)
Intention Number 1 Two Un-married people who have sex....BUT have the INTENTION to Eventually Get married. Their intention is to get togeather, remain humble, unified, and Grow Spiriutally,Mentally, and Physically. They Plan on being together to the best of their ability.
OR.
Intention Number 2 Two Unmarried people who have sex....and INTENTIONALLY KNOW that they are NOT going to stay togeather in a Relationship. They have NO PLAN what so-ever on getting married nor do they care about createing a Union. They are Merely Just Chemically Attracted to eachother and wish to saticfy their sexual desires for this moments Pleasure. A Self-fish egotistic act, not careing about the sanctaty of marriage or sex.
Now Both are "Bad". But at least ONE is Bad only with the intention of later trying to Fix it. I See Number 2 being Fornication. Number 1 is Fornication by Deffinition However its with the Intention of Nullifying the Evil act, Repenting, and Intention to establish a TRUE Bond.
I say, if you are going to do NUMBER 2....then that is Wrong. and will Lead to much Distruction of not only a family/individual, but also Society.
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Peace nimnimak_11 ,
I began to read your article and after getting so far I stopped. There are too many inconsistencies in what you have written. I will not go over them all. I'll just make a few comments.
First, I'm assuming you are not married (forgive my assumption if I am wrong) and have no children.
If you are not, then let me tell you I've seen first hand what sex out of wedlock can do to you.
Have you ever heard of a child being raised by a single parent?
Children growing up in broken homes?
Sexually transmitted diseases?
Children raising children?Over that past (I'm just going to making up a number only because of technology and all) like 70 years they've just introduced barrier contraceptives, so that can't be an argument for not getting pregnant or contracting sexually transmitted diseases. Because contraceptives are a new thing just recently made within the 20th century. And I'm not talking about coitus interruptus. That is a fail method. It's methods is flawed. There is no full protection from pregnancy and sure enough not diseases.
The Quran is for all times, so lets look at it just as that. It supports marriage and if you can not afford to marry you are told to practice restraint. It tell you to protect your private parts and that they are for your spouse alone. There is a specific part within that same verse that speaks of those who are under you can see you in a nude condition A.k.A your privates. I'm a mom, so my kids have caught an eyeful in their lifetime. I'm more careful now that they are getting older just because I think that is proper.
Your doctor has your medical approval to have limited access to certain parts of your body for health/medical reasons.
Outside of that, I do not see why anyone else who is not your spouse should have the pleasure of seeing you in your birthday suit.Because of such loose ways of think/ understanding it can create a cancer with in the society. Things that trickle down to others.
I know plenty of women who are struggling to raise children on their own because of after the fun was gone, the men moved on to something that they can get continuous uninterrupted fun out of. Not wasting their time trying to be a father and all. Who would want that? That's too much like right! And let's not talk about diseases! Why is it that one of the most deadliest diseases ( eventhough I think this diseases was manufactured) can be transmitted by sex. Wouldn't you be more safer to stick to your spouse.You have a husband and a wife two people who are binded their relationship to you, by a contractual agreement. And who has exchanged their dowry and signed it in front of witnesses. When you draw up a contract you should have a witnesses or else you can say and do what you want and not keep your word in your secret affairs. I believe the marriage license of today will suffice as a contact although there should be a literal declaration specifically designed for meeting each others requirements, hopes and expectations. Also, without a contract (license) how else would people be able to keep track of who is suppose to be married to who.
Maybe you started this article to get a rise out of folks or maybe you want support to do what you want. but in the broad scheme of things you are advocating more harm than good. If you have never been married and you never sat down in a room full of men and women with diseases and children out of wedlock who are struggling with either a death sentence or something that they can never get rid of (including kids) and wish they would have listen to what they were told. I think your argument is moot and here is where I bail out. I'm tired of seeing this kind of garbage blasted all over this website. Is this free-minds or lose your mind??? It's a shame how things get twisted and people will understand things by their own desires and pick the worse of understanding. Yes, this is a forum to disgust things. But come on!!! Really! Why is it that topics like these get the most hits with no outcome? (It's like reading a tabloid sometimes or watching Jerry Springer. Or, maybe more like Maury Povich. ARE YOU THE FATHER??? ??? -[ That's what a lot of people are asking now adays in this backwards society with all their free lovin'! ) Throughout the Quran it advocates marriage. Also, consummation of the marriage. There is no consummating if you have been doing it all along. Which Quran are you reading??? Cause I'm confused. Sorry for the harsh tone, then again, no, I'm not sorry! I'm going to say it straight and pull no punches. I wish to see the sanctity of marriage and family preserved. I came from a broken home. I grew up in a area over run by those like me all because of our parents selfishness going after their own personal desires and not looking at the aftermath of the situation. Who will it impact the most? The children and society as a whole. This is a shameful attempt in trying to justify or get someone else to sign-off and agree on such a clear argument. While you worry about who you can have sex with, chaos is breaking out worldwide. People are being oppressed, suppressed and depressed all over. Family is to the winds. Values and moral are null and void and the world is becoming colder and colder. Kids are wandering the streets with nowhere to go and no one to look after them. What you suggest, through your understanding, opens the doors for lewdness openly and secretly. The total collapse of the human family. The family that I and others like me did not have the privilege to have. Where is the commitment? To hold these views you can say, well if you are committed to that one person then there should be no harm. I say, what are you trying to hide to keep it a secret or would you like to keep the field open for more action if you are in fact involve in this type of relationship. What society will this way of living work right in other than the corrupt one that is presently the dominating force. Again I ask, are you married? If not, take a broad look at society and then reflect on your understanding. Or maybe you started this thread just to get people riled up. Who knows? I spoke my peace.
peace
Shirley
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Peace nimnimak_11 ,
I began to read your article and after getting so far I stopped. There are too many inconsistencies in what you have written. I will not go over them all. I'll just make a few comments.
First, I'm assuming you are not married (forgive my assumption if I am wrong) and have no children.
If you are not, then let me tell you I've seen first hand what sex out of wedlock can do to you.
Have you ever heard of a child being raised by a single parent?
Children growing up in broken homes?
Sexually transmitted diseases?
Children raising children?Over that past (I'm just going to making up a number only because of technology and all) like 70 years they've just introduced barrier contraceptives, so that can't be an argument for not getting pregnant or contracting sexually transmitted diseases. Because contraceptives are a new thing just recently made within the 20th century. And I'm not talking about coitus interruptus. That is a fail method. It's methods is flawed. There is no full protection from pregnancy and sure enough not diseases.
The Quran is for all times, so lets look at it just as that. It supports marriage and if you can not afford to marry you are told to practice restraint. It tell you to protect your private parts and that they are for your spouse alone. There is a specific part within that same verse that speaks of those who are under you can see you in a nude condition A.k.A your privates. I'm a mom, so my kids have caught an eyeful in their lifetime. I'm more careful now that they are getting older just because I think that is proper.
Your doctor has your medical approval to have limited access to certain parts of your body for health/medical reasons.
Outside of that, I do not see why anyone else who is not your spouse should have the pleasure of seeing you in your birthday suit.Because of such loose ways of think/ understanding it can create a cancer with in the society. Things that trickle down to others.
I know plenty of women who are struggling to raise children on their own because of after the fun was gone, the men moved on to something that they can get continuous uninterrupted fun out of. Not wasting their time trying to be a father and all. Who would want that? That's too much like right! And let's not talk about diseases! Why is it that one of the most deadliest diseases ( eventhough I think this diseases was manufactured) can be transmitted by sex. Wouldn't you be more safer to stick to your spouse.You have a husband and a wife two people who are binded their relationship to you, by a contractual agreement. And who has exchanged their dowry and signed it in front of witnesses. When you draw up a contract you should have a witnesses or else you can say and do what you want and not keep your word in your secret affairs. I believe the marriage license of today will suffice as a contact although there should be a literal declaration specifically designed for meeting each others requirements, hopes and expectations. Also, without a contract (license) how else would people be able to keep track of who is suppose to be married to who.
Maybe you started this article to get a rise out of folks or maybe you want support to do what you want. but in the broad scheme of things you are advocating more harm than good. If you have never been married and you never sat down in a room full of men and women with diseases and children out of wedlock who are struggling with either a death sentence or something that they can never get rid of (including kids) and wish they would have listen to what they were told. I think your argument is moot and here is where I bail out. I'm tired of seeing this kind of garbage blasted all over this website. Is this free-minds or lose your mind??? It's a shame how things get twisted and people will understand things by their own desires and pick the worse of understanding. Yes, this is a forum to disgust things. But come on!!! Really! Why is it that topics like these get the most hits with no outcome? (It's like reading a tabloid sometimes or watching Jerry Springer. Or, maybe more like Maury Povich. ARE YOU THE FATHER??? ??? -[ That's what a lot of people are asking now adays in this backwards society with all their free lovin'! ) Throughout the Quran it advocates marriage. Also, consummation of the marriage. There is no consummating if you have been doing it all along. Which Quran are you reading??? Cause I'm confused. Sorry for the harsh tone, then again, no, I'm not sorry! I'm going to say it straight and pull no punches. I wish to see the sanctity of marriage and family preserved. I came from a broken home. I grew up in a area over run by those like me all because of our parents selfishness going after their own personal desires and not looking at the aftermath of the situation. Who will it impact the most? The children and society as a whole. This is a shameful attempt in trying to justify or get someone else to sign-off and agree on such a clear argument. While you worry about who you can have sex with, chaos is breaking out worldwide. People are being oppressed, suppressed and depressed all over. Family is to the winds. Values and moral are null and void and the world is becoming colder and colder. Kids are wandering the streets with nowhere to go and no one to look after them. What you suggest, through your understanding, opens the doors for lewdness openly and secretly. The total collapse of the human family. The family that I and others like me did not have the privilege to have. Where is the commitment? To hold these views you can say, well if you are committed to that one person then there should be no harm. I say, what are you trying to hide to keep it a secret or would you like to keep the field open for more action if you are in fact involve in this type of relationship. What society will this way of living work right in other than the corrupt one that is presently the dominating force. Again I ask, are you married? If not, take a broad look at society and then reflect on your understanding. Or maybe you started this thread just to get people riled up. Who knows? I spoke my peace.
peace
Shirley
;D bravo
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I was thinking the same thing, Shirley (if I understood you correctly). No matter how responsible one person might be with sex outside marriage, the tolerance of it can affect the whole society as it would mean that others can have sex outside marriage and many will see the consequences.
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Peace,
Peace Omeiza,
This is a free discussion so it is better to back yourself with either a sound reason or a clear qu'ran - no sentiments.
I would expect to see this kind of comment. Why? Because this what I have seen in the past and it is what I've come to expect from some of the posters on this forum. This topic has been covered before. So has homosexuality, bisexuality and so on. These issues have been addressed, readdressed, prepackages signed sealed and delivered on this forum in the past. But for those who have not had their desires meet yet, it's not enough until you finally say what they want to hear. Rubbish!!! If you can not look at what the Quran says and look around you to see why it say what it does, then I don't know what to tell you. This topic has been covered. It's a forum, remember? Q&A! It is simply amazing to me how many times this issue can be brought up and people look at it as if they've never seen or hears of it on this forum. there is a search engine on this forum to quickly access it. So you can see what people have said in the past all the way up tpo now. So know that this topic has been covered. Why waste your time providing proof for what people will ignore. Why not just cut to the chase and express your understanding and look at the broad scheme of things and not through a uretha sized view of things ( which a lot of the times have your desires attached to them) to get your answers. I've been a member of this forum for a very long time. I've read more than I've ever posted and this is one of the reasons why. Because some people have their minds made up no matter what and to debate with them is exhausting and ends with, "Unto you your way and unto me mine!" So, like I said, I will state what is clear to me because of the my logic. The rational thinking that you have to think things through, to reflect.The thing that Allah tells you to do. Why is that so hard. Sometimes the questions that are posted here are the ones most obvious and the ones that need to be dealt with are over look. I guess their just not that exciting like this one is to some. I think the verses that talk about marriage are clear. This is a clear subject to me. Allah tells us to marry. What more do you need? Or, am I asking questions to hearts that are unfulfilled? Why not marry? Shouldn't that be offensive to someone if no one want to marry you but use you for self gratification? It would have to be a blow to the self esteem. I see the protection that Allah wants us to have. He wants right to be done to us by us or else we will fail by our own hands. Suffer the consequenses as we see now by those who think they know best. It is totally reckless to suggest some of the immoral crap that I have read here on this forum. And what's even worse is they go out on a limb to try and prove what they are saying (with much twisting or verses) to get their point across, as if we are all blind and can not see the obviousness in their absurdities that they suggest. Tell me how what this topic is implying will work in a just society? Where is the protection in what it has to offer. How can a women prove that the man that she says is the father of her child when all he has to say is, "I don't know what you are talking about. It isn't mine!" Or how can you stop the flood of sexually transmitted diseases by the sexual acts. I need not spend all night typing down verses. If you have read the Quran from cover to cover countless times, you are bound to get the memo. If you reflect on the current society and worldly situations that we live in which has all the problems that extend from this wayward sex alone. Then you got the memo. But if you wish to have your own desires fulfilled and you try to use the Quran to find your means to your end, you forgot to read the fine print.
And, yes, i know this is a forum, but sometimes these topics take it too far. What is suggested by the title is a definate ways to break down society as we already see and create instability with in a child for family life.
How do you bridge families together? Through marriage. Within a family unit that embrasses those who are married to their kin, they become kin as well. Where is the bridge that units them if there is no marriage? No in-laws? Say it ain't so. Marriage united people and for the sake of those who are married it can create healing for possible foes of opposite sides. I'm just saying. Those are my sentiments based on the simple fundementals of my understanding of the Quran on marriage.Peace