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Allah taught to Isa (Jesus) The Book, the Wisdom, the Taurah, The Bible (Gospel)

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    jawad_mugniya
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    Surah 5 110
    Surah 3 48

    By M.Qasmi in The Truth of Pre-Quranic Scriptures
    Today, there are several misconceptions regarding the scriptures Allah revealed to the 3 major prophets before Muhammad. Muslims erroneously believe, due to fabricated sayings attributed to the exalted prophet, that Tauraat (Torah) was revealed to Moses. Similarly, what was revealed to Jesus was named Injeel (Gospel), and to David was the Zabur (Psalms).

    Well, the verb used in Surah 33 is waanzala means to reveal .

    Now if in 348 and 5110 --->

    The Book is Shariah Law
    The Wisdom is the Wisdom
    The Taurah is the Law
    The Bible or the Gospel is The Good News (Euaggelion from Greek / Aramaic)

    1-Then are The Book and The Taurah same ?
    2-Are the Taurah and The Gospel or the Bible, 2 Books revealed to Moses and Jesus

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      justice
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      you've answered yourself. No further elaboration needed.

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        jawad_mugniya
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        you've answered yourself. No further elaboration needed.

        I don't think so, because we don't know yet what is the Gospel (Good News of what ?) and the Quran (33) speaks only about revealing the Taurah and the Gospel but not as BOOKS but as something that is not included in a book (like Quran).

        I think that the reason why The Taurah and the Gospel are not Books like (the Quran) is 34, where the revelation of Taurah, Gospel is followed by the revelation of al-Furqan which is not THE ACTUAL QURAN but only a way (an aptitude) of selecting between the truth and the false (See 2148 where it's said .

        Al Furqan is never used to describe the Quran.

        Finally, I still don't know what is the contents of the Gospel (Good News). brickwall

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          abdalquran
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          Al Furqan is never used to describe the Quran

          Have a look at 2/185, 'al-quraan' is described as

          1. guidance for mankind
          2. clarification of the guidance
          3. al-furqan
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            jawad_mugniya
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            Have a look at 2/185, 'al-quraan' is described as

            1. guidance for mankind
            2. clarification of the guidance
            3. al-furqan

            No, it's not in this way that you have to understand what is said in this verse.

            It's not said that the Quran is or "=" al Furqan but rather it's said that the purpose of the Quran is to guide mankind, to clarify the guidance, and (assist every body) to differentiate between the truth and the false.

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              which word in the text equates to the phrase 'for the purpose of' ?

              it says 'unzila fihi al-quran hudan li an-naas wa bayyinat min al-huda wa al-furqan'.

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                jawad_mugniya
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                which word in the text equates to the phrase 'for the purpose of' ?

                it says 'unzila fihi al-quran hudan li an-naas wa bayyinat min al-huda wa al-furqan'.

                Where I said that in the verse it's written 'for the purpose of' ?

                Here is the verse

                The month of Ramadaan is that in which the Qur'an was revealed as a guidance for mankind and with clear proofs of guidance and the Criterion (of right and wrong).

                1)If a thing is a guidance then what is his function ? => To guide

                Otherwise, the meaning of what I write above is that the purpose of the Quran is to guide

                2)If a thing is with clear proofs of the guidance and the 'furqan' then what is his funtion ? => To clarify

                Otherwise, the meaning of what I write above is that the purpose of the Quran is to clarify.

                Now it's clear that the Quran is not furqan but through the function of clarification it achieves furqan means differentiation between the truth and the false.

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                  Where I said that in the verse it's written 'for the purpose of' ?

                  JawadIt's not said that the Quran is or "=" al Furqan but rather it's said that the purpose of the Quran is to guide mankind, to clarify the guidance, and (assist every body) to differentiate between the truth and the false.

                  Sorry but if the Quran agrees with your wording above, it would say 'unzila fihi al-quran liyakunu ..... al-furqan'

                  There is no purpose of furqan, achieving furqan or whatever. Al-quran is al-furqan.

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                    JawadIt's not said that the Quran is or "=" al Furqan but rather it's said that the purpose of the Quran is to guide mankind, to clarify the guidance, and (assist every body) to differentiate between the truth and the false.

                    Sorry but if the Quran agrees with your wording above, it would say 'unzila fihi al-quran liyakunu ..... al-furqan'

                    There is no purpose of furqan, achieving furqan or whatever. Al-quran is al-furqan.

                    See the compared translation of 5 translators

                    Khalifa providing guidance for the people, clear teachings, and the statute book

                    Yusuf Ali as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong)

                    Pickthal a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong)

                    Shakir a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the distinction

                    Sher Ali as a guidance for mankind with clear proofs of guidance and discrimination

                    and are use here as indefinite noun for making a general statement about the Quran or the function of the Quran (= no clear identification).

                    How then can you so confidently say that the Quran = al Furqan since it's not clearly said that the Quran is al Furqan ?

                    Second, If according to you, the Quran = al Furqan then we can write this part of the verse like this !!!!

                    What a nonsense !

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