Use of the word Allah as a name, even when speaking English
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"god" whether with small g or capital g is not the name, in English it is noun but not name. And Allah is the Name.
And "al" in Allah is not definite article, it is part of the name;
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Peace,
Respectfully.I use the word God and sometimes Allah but whenever i use the word God when talking to sunnis about whatever, they always, always correct me and tell me i must use the word Allah.
I also believe in free will and i also believe that The Most Merciful has created us with many languages, accents and so many more beautiful differences in order for this species not to be boring.
God has created non-Arabic languages as well as Arabic, so it doesn't matter which languages you, speak, be grateful to Him.
Peace.
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Thank you.
If you've taken an advanced Arabic course at Madinah and they told you that the 'Al' in 'Allah' is not equal to 'the', then I'd definitely like to hear about it.
What was the reasoning? Why does the 'Al' not count in this case?As far as the ayah goes, I don't think this is sufficient evidence at all.
Firstly, the translation you posted is questionable at best. The ayah doesn't say half of the text included in the translation. That has been added by a translator.The Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation is as follows
Say "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well) for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between."
The M.M. Pickthall translation is
Say (unto mankind) Cry unto Allah, or cry unto the Beneficent, unto whichsoever ye cry (it is the same). His are the most beautiful names. And thou (Muhammad), be not loud-voiced in thy worship nor yet silent therein, but follow a way between.
And lastly, the Shakir translation is
Say Call upon Allah or call upon, the Beneficent Allah; whichever you call upon, He has the best names; and do not utter your prayer with a very raised voice nor be silent with regard to it, and seek a way between these.
To me, this passage tells us the exact opposite of your position to call him by whatever name we choose. The important phrase is
If you posted that ayah because it has the command "say", then that doesn't work either, because as you know, many passages in the Quran use commands such as "say".
The very next ayah reads
Say "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"
I posit that it is more important to understand and comprehend these facts, than to use the Arabic term 'Allah' or 'Al-Ra7maan'. Are you suggesting that people should walk around saying 'Al-ra7maan' when speaking another language, simply because of this passage?
I dug this up from google
As Muslims, we think that it is unfortunate that we have to go into details on such seemingly minor issues, but so many falsehoods have been heaped upon our religion, that we feel that it is our duty to try to break down the barriers of falsehood. This isn't always easy, since there is a lot of anti-Islamic literature in existence which tries to make Islam look like something strange and foreign to Westerners. There are some people out there, who are obviously not on the side of truth, that want to get people to believe that "Allah" is just some Arabian "God", and that Islam is completely "other" - meaning that it has no common roots with the other Abrahamic religions (i.e. Christianity and Judaism). To say that Muslims worship a different "God" because they say "Allah" is just as illogical as saying that French people worship another God because they use the word "Dieu", that Spanish-speaking people worship a different God because they say "Dios" or that the Hebrews worshipped a different God because they sometimes call Him "Yahweh". Certainly, reasoning like this is quite ridiculous! It should also be mentioned, that claiming that any one language uses the only correct word for God is tantamount to denying the universality of God's message to mankind, which was to all nations, tribes and people through various prophets who spoke different languages.?
From http//www.godnames.org/godnames.php?f=WhoIsAllah
Thanks Alen for your answer. I have not been formally educated in the religion (other than what they teach you at school, which hardly counts), and was uncertain whether or not there is a command in the Quran or Hadiths to use the term Allah specifically that I wasn't aware of, and that is why I asked the question.
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I think Shakir's usage of the term "Call upon Allah or call upon, the Beneficent Allah" is important. He did not translate al-Ra7maan as 'The Beneficent'. He translated it but kept the word Allah in Arabic. I find that really odd and it's obvious that he is intentionally using Allah as a name. Perhaps he knows something we don't. -
I just discovered this on wikipedia, which is something I noticed a few years back!
From http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Yusuf_Ali
Modern editions of his work remain in print, but with modifications such as "God" altered to "Allah" and with controversial modifications of the opinions that Ali expressed in footnotes and of short historical articles that were included with the original text. For instance, Ali's liberal views on credit and interest do not appear in some editions, as they are considered to run contrary to some schools of Islamic economic thought. Wikisource is using a "modern edition" with the name of Allah for God.
I realized before that in my own copy he uses 'God' and in newer versions I've picked up the word Allah is used instead. I mused about it at the time but it's funny to find it here.
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in Arabic is an Imperative Verb, Second Person; Maculine, Singular. English word "Say" does not translate .
Yes Mazhar but you can't take things so literally. The Quran uses in plenty of places.
Examples
Say "It is Allah I serve, with my sincere (and exclusive) devotion
If they do wrangle with thee, say, "Allah knows best what it is ye are doing."
Say "It is Allah that delivereth you from these and all (other) distresses and yet ye worship false gods!"
Say "Who gives you sustenance, from the heavens and the earth?" Say "It is Allah; and certain it is that either we or ye are on right guidance or in manifest error!"
And there are many many more.
Surely you don't think that just because it says 'Qul' that you have to literally say those words in Arabic?
I have to go back to the surah you posted (17) and find out whom God is addressing in that specific surah.I think this is a non sequitur (a recent interest of mine is logical fallacies)
- All the Ayahs in the Quran are in Arabic
- The specific Ayah says to say something
- The specific Ayah says to say something in Arabic.
The logic in the 3rd statement does not follow the premise.
If we take your logic and apply it to all the places that say "Qul", then non-Arabic speakers will have a rough time with this religion indeed. -
And don't you think there are hundreds of things mentioned in Qur'aan which Allah has translated in Arabic to convey it to the Messenger whose mother language is Arabic?
The basic principle of translating a Book of some language into another language is that maximum effort should be made to convey the complete perception of the words of the original language being translated, otherwise We will never get nearer to that which that book is saying.
Just have another look on the translation you have pasted under an Arabic sentence, and then only read Arabic words as an Arab and translate yourself by conveying exact meanings and connotations of each word whereby you will find the big difference.
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Say "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!" -
And don't you think there are hundreds of things mentioned in Qur'aan which Allah has translated in Arabic to convey it to the Messenger whose mother language is Arabic?
Yes of course...and I'm not trying to convince people to neglect the Arabic Quran by any means. All I'm trying to do here is find the answer so that I may stop noticing it everywhere, and so far I find no logical reason for people speaking a language other than Arabic to use the word Allah.
I think that it is very clear what people must call Him when speaking Arabic, but in other languages I think people should be able to use whatever their word for God is, and not be pressured into Arabizing their habits and language. The message is universal, not only for Arabic speakers.The basic principle of translating a Book of some language into another language is that maximum effort should be made to convey the complete perception of the words of the original language being translated, otherwise We will never get nearer to that which that book is saying.
I completely agree. So what is the problem with translation Allah to God?
Just have another look on the translation you have pasted under an Arabic sentence, and then only read Arabic words as an Arab and translate yourself by conveying exact meanings and connotations of each word whereby you will find the big difference.
Say "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"
To be honest I think parts in red and blue have been translated pretty well. I personally can't think of a better way to translate it than "who begets no son". has a bit of a different meaning in Arabic, something to the effect of 'to take', like "he didn't take a son"...but to convey the meaning best in English "begets no son" is probably best, or at the very least adequate.
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I completely agree. So what is the problem with translation Allah to God?
nothing, what's the problem with saying Allah? just because today in society people have bias and prejudice against mulsims and associate things with them? please the crowd? to me that's your argument. some people say salam instead of peace, should we stomp on them too? or is that ok because they do it amongst muslims and if muslims have bias it's not as bad as non muslims?
I don't think it's a big deal either way. if you feel people can relate to you more when you speak religion and say "God", by all means do what you're comfortable with.
peace/salam
take your pick )
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Haha no it's not about pleasing the crowd, although I do think a connection would be made with non-Arabs easier if people spoke in their language, it's just human nature.
What this is more about is whether or not it is God's name and the religion states somewhere that that is so and I just haven't noticed it, and also a confusion people seem to have as to what is Islamic and what is Arabic culture.
I feel that He has no name in Islam and the so called '99 names of God' are characteristics to help us understand him.
And yes I know that the Quran uses the term 'names' for them, but they aren't names, they're characteristics, and he remains nameless.
An understanding of the word Allah would stop such things as riots in Malaysia and people forcing others to use Allah when speaking other languages.And also in the bigger picture I feel that most Muslims are confused about what is Islamic and what is Arab, and end up Arabizing themselves in an effort to become more religious.
I'm living in the UK now and I find it really frequent all over the country that East-Asian Muslims wear the Arabic thobe, or long white robe. To me that's odd because they don't do so in the Middle East, they wear their own distinct robe. Many also don the shemagh, or ghutra.Now if these things bring a person closer to their religion, then all the best to them. But I fear that there is a shockingly large amount of people walking around this world in complete confusion as to what is Islamic and what is simply Arabic culture.
At the end of the day, I just want people to know what the word means, and if they use it all the time they do so by choice. There's a horrible trend these days where every Muslim feels they have the right to tell other Muslims what is wrong and what is right.
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A Personal Name and Title held by a Personality is never translated in any other language. We call either by personal name or Title of Personality. I cannot translate Fir'aoun in Urdu except using such of the alphabets of my language which give the pronunciation/speech sound as near to it as possible, since it is Title of the King of old Egypt. Why then to translate the Title and Personal Name of the Creator. We call Him Allah to show distinction and retain our individuality that We show allegiance to Allah Who is The Only Ilaha. If some does not want to retain his individuality with reference to whose servant is he and wants to remain vague as we use fake identities on the net, then it is a different story.
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No you call him Phir'aoun because we do not have his name anymore. So Phir'aoun has become his name. We call Muhammad by his name because that is his name. Humans have names so that we can address each other and because there are many of us.
However God is only 1, and He is not human. He is an abstract concept unlike us, so why do we feel the need to give him a name? He is not masculine, yet the term Allah is masculine. The term Allat is feminine (Allat was a pagan god from before Islam). But God is neither masculine nor feminine so why give him a masculine name? God is a concept, as is Allah.
God isn't Al-Rahmaan or Al-Raheem, he is ALL of them. They are ALL his names. So if you wanted to address God by his name you would have to refer to him by all his names at once, or simply use the expression God, which is Allah in Arabic.
And I hope that made sense.
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The connection might be easier but if they know you define Allah as God they will be able to comprehend, it wouldn?t be an issue.
Name.. no name dunno entirely to comment but people need to associate. The word Allah is used to associate with God, their Lord the One and Only. Others associate different things with God so saying Allah may help single other associations. the Quran uses the word "Allah" what's the big deal besides if you think no name why say God? you'll need to start defining God to people who already have a definition. sounds like you're just complicating things
few verses say thalika biana allahu haqq 226, 2262, 3130
Other things as well
4711 That is because Allah is the Protector of those who believe, but those who reject Allah have no protector.
Haqq could be seen as an attribute Allah the name given to..
Haven?t seen all occurrences. Yes Asma alhusna can be seen as characteristics but also why not a name what does ?isma/ism? = to?
I don?t think an understanding would stop riots, actually I remember reading Malaysian?s wanted to ban non muslims using the word ?Allah?.
Sure there may be some confusion of arab and Islam. But there is nothing wrong with taking things from another culture and adopting them.
ask yourself why do these east asian muslims wear the thobe? Lol you see people in kaffiyeh (shemegh/ghutra) that?s interesting nice to see more males in hijab haha
People have identities they like to associate with, cant tell people you?re an idiot for wearing that because you think it?s more Islamic. well you could but i think that'll create more riot
Now if these things bring a person closer to their religion, then all the best to them. But I fear that there is a shockingly large amount of people walking around this world in complete confusion as to what is Islamic and what is simply Arabic culture.
Remember most muslims are traditionalists who believe in hadith with little or no doubt. They believe they NEED to emulate the prophet in all acts and deeds in everything. Their association with supposed hadith may impede on their culture and tradition but at the end of the day it?s a choice they make, regardless of reasoning.
At the end of the day, I just want people to know what the word means, and if they use it all the time they do so by choice. There's a horrible trend these days where every Muslim feels they have the right to tell other Muslims what is wrong and what is right.
You think people don?t know what Allah means? Lol ok well I believe they do know also again muslims feel the need to correct wrong and right because of tradition haven?t you heard the hadith along the lines of ?if you see wrong correct it with your hands if you can?t, correct it with your words, if you can?t correct it in your mind and that?s the weakest of faith??
Besides that disregarding that it?s normal for people to tell others what they feel is wrong and right and muslims should support each other for good and against bad
3110 Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
God isn't Al-Rahmaan or Al-Raheem, he is ALL of them. They are ALL his names. So if you wanted to address God by his name you would have to refer to him by all his names at once, or simply use the expression God, which is Allah in Arabic.
i disagree read 17110 also with your logic, if you had a nick name, a middle name, a surname and another name you associated with would i need to call you all those names to address you? just because they are ALL your name? somehow i don't think so.
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However God is only 1
Mazhar A. Nurani is only 1 in all the worlds that exist. Can you challenge it? Only 1 concept will become evident when you call that 1 by name and not by concept. Name introduces and makes a Personality Distinct, Unique and Individualized. If Ar Rahman is not the personal name how would you translate the possessive Arabic phrase "Ism Allah". I need not say that the indefinite noun Ism has become definite noun "The Name of Allah" now find The Name of Allah
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You think people don?t know what Allah means? Lol ok well I believe they do know also again muslims feel the need to correct wrong and right because of tradition haven?t you heard the hadith along the lines of ?if you see wrong correct it with your hands if you can?t, correct it with your words, if you can?t correct it in your mind and that?s the weakest of faith??
Well honestly, I would argue that many people don't know what it means. If you asked them you would simply get a standard response of, "it is God's name". I think Arabs will know the etymology of Al and Ilah, but others probably won't unless they've had some training in Arabic.
About correcting others. I don't mind being corrected if it is something I didn't know and it was a learned person correcting me. But what I'm talking about is every teenager off the street thinking they're an authority on Islamic jurisprudence.
i disagree read 17110 also with your logic, if you had a nick name, a middle name, a surname and another name you associated with would i need to call you all those names to address you? just because they are ALL your name? somehow i don't think so.
Yes we've been discussing 17110, see above I gave a detailed response to it.
As for names, I'm not God. If you see me and meet me you will have an understanding of who I am. But to understand God we need all of his names.
I'm just philosophizing here and being a devil's advocate...I don't literally mean that we should always refer to God by all his names, I'm just trying to express how necessary those names are to Him.Mazhar A. Nurani is only 1 in all the worlds that exist. Can you challenge it?
Haha I probably could if I wanted to. I know for a fact that there are literally hundreds of people with my name out there...so it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was another Mazhar Nurani lurking somewhere around the world.
A quick google search came up with this guy
http//www.facebook.com/people/Mazhar-Nurani/513942057
Is that you Mazhar? Hahah no offense but you don't look like an Islamic authority.If Ar Rahman is not the personal name how would you translate the possessive Arabic phrase "Ism Allah". I need not say that the indefinite noun Ism has become definite noun "The Name of Allah" now find The Name of Allah
Don't put words in my mouth Mazhar. I'm trying to find out whether there is anything in the religion that specifically states that we should call Allah regardless of language.
I'm only suggesting that Muslims call Allah by whatever translation they have for the word 'God' when speaking other languages, and that other Muslims shouldn't force them to use the term Allah exclusively.So far the best argument has been 17110, but even that is ambiguous.
a) Because the command "Qul" is used all over the Quran and shouldn't then be taken to mean "Qul "b)Because if it meant to literally "call Him Allah or call Him Al-Rahmaan when you mention Him", then all the other names are false and shouldn't be used.
Therefore, we can state that the true meaning of 17110 is to call unto Him in prayer or when we are in need.
It also seems to me that publishers are now moving to exclusively use the term Allah in the translations of the Quran.
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Peace to all,
Well I get your point ths, but then why use the word GOd for God, its just a word from the germanic language for goddere, which was a nordic god, so why are you ok with using that word for God but not the word Allah, which to me is probably the best word to use, since I believe in the Quran and it uses Allah, and I believe the Quran is from Allah, then I am happy using that word over any other word from some left over pagan beleifs.
Kurt
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Peace Sarah,
what's the problem with saying Allah?
The problem is that as a proper name it is meaningless ungrammatical nonsense. It has to be a common noun. This is made absolutely clear by the great reading itself.
- And he is the god in the heavens and in the earth. He knows your hidden and your revealed, and what you earn.
Taking the word ?allah? in 63 as a proper name without translation makes the passage ungrammatical and reduces it to nonsense. It is as absurd as saying ?he is John of the house? as opposed to ?he is the man of the house?.
Also, the god himself clearly translates the word "allah" in the great reading. For example, in 1239, Joseph who didn't speak Arabic and lived long before Arabic was even invented says to his prison mates
Did Joseph use what would have been at his time and for his audience a gibberish word from a future language called Arabic that wasn't even invented yet? Of course not! Proposing that "allah" in 1239 is a proper name is no different than proposing that 1400 years ago in Arabic "allah" was literally named "" long before Modern English was invented.
Unfortunately, most translators have disregarded grammar and common sense. If even professional linguists and expert translators make such logical errors then it is no wonder that many people in the world wrongly believe ?allah? to be the proper name of an Arab deity and not the common universal concept of the (definite) god. It is also not surprising that even educated people have trouble with this simple concept, which is proof that there is a big difference between education and enlightment.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
