CONVERSATIONS WITH A HADITH FOLLOWER
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They told us that the former was persuading the latter into lobbying their Master. hmm nope
Oh and welcome, George! ) You were a bit stern in tone in your emails, but i guess it's for the better.
If you had read from the hadith followers second email, so was he when he said "that i was playing with fire", that I "had to be very, very,very carefull who i take my religion from " and when he said in a mocking tone that "you have just come to Islam yesterday", if to say that because I had not been a muslim as long as he has that I did not know what I was talking about and that he did so that was it for me and I let rip and droped bombs of knowledge on his hadith following ass.
But I also was gracious and accepted his apology. I had to be stern becuase the truth is if he does'nt GROW UP, WISE UP ,MAN UP and stop taking the piss out of his creator then he will be hellfire bound.
The decision is his.
Like rajingajin says I am just a warner, so he's been warned.
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They told us that the former was persuading the latter into lobbying their Master. hmm nope
Oh and welcome, George! You were a bit stern in tone in your emails, but i guess it's for the better.
Looks like I stand corrected, but either way it's a stupid story ;D
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They told us that the former was persuading the latter into lobbying their Master. hmm nope
Oh and welcome, George! You were a bit stern in tone in your emails, but i guess it's for the better.
Selam
Found it (I deleted the first bit of the story)
Sahih_Al-Bukhari - Bk. 8 Prayers (Salat) 1.345......
The Prophet added, 'Then Gabriel ascended with me to a place where
I heard the creaking of the pens." Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik
said The Prophet said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on
my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I
passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your
followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on
them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for
reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.'
(So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He
reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed
him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers
will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and
requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I
again passed by Moses and he said to me 'Return to your Lord,
for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned
to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all
(equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.' I
returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I
replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then
Gabriel took me till we '' reached SidratilMuntaha (Lote
tree of; the utmost boundary) which was shrouded in colors,
indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found
small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of
musk."Peace
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Selam
Found it (I deleted the first bit of the story)
Sahih_Al-Bukhari - Bk. 8 Prayers (Salat) 1.345......
The Prophet added, 'Then Gabriel ascended with me to a place where
I heard the creaking of the pens." Ibn Hazm and Anas bin Malik
said The Prophet said, "Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on
my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I
passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your
followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on
them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for
reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.'
(So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He
reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed
him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers
will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and
requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I
again passed by Moses and he said to me 'Return to your Lord,
for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned
to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all
(equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.' I
returned to Moses and he told me to go back once again. I
replied, 'Now I feel shy of asking my Lord again.' Then
Gabriel took me till we '' reached SidratilMuntaha (Lote
tree of; the utmost boundary) which was shrouded in colors,
indescribable. Then I was admitted into Paradise where I found
small (tents or) walls (made) of pearls and its earth was of
musk."Peace
First how in the hell are Moses and Muhammed able to speak to each other when they lived over a thousand years apart from each other ? confusednope
Second after the reducing the original fifty prayers by half (25) the are reduced by half again (12.5), I mean no wonder they had to keep reducing them I mean how can anyone do twelve AND a half prayers a day? hmm
And third why would Muhammad be shy about about asking GOD to reduce the 5 daily prayers to less when he obviously was not the too shy to ask the previous times?.
You would think that by the time they had the reduced the fifty prayers a day to five prayers a day that Muhammed would have overcome his shyness.I told you it was a stupid hadith laugh
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It seems that 'well how do you pray, you need the hadiths to do that' is the FIRST thing a traditional Muslim will say.
It's like they've been programmed to say that.Selam
Interestingly, the hadith does not exactly tell you how to pray or at least I could not find it. If anyone with knowledge of the hadith can point out how the sunni or shia prayers (namaz) is performed in the hadith then I stand to be corrected. But this is a common questions asked by main stream muslims, claiming the Quran asks us to pray but does not outline how and the hadith fills the gaps as to speak.
Peace
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If thay actually know their Quran , there is no way they could not know how to pray using the Quran alone.
I mean GOD makes it very simple when he says in the Quran that we should STAND, BOW, POSTRATE,NOT ASCRIBE ANY PARTNERS TO HIM (as in pray in the name of Jesus or mention Muhammad alongside GOD) and PRAY TO HIM AND GLORIFY HIM ALONE.
Anything else as in length of prayer or how many times we stand, bow and postrate I think GOD has left to up the person praying otherise he would have mentioned it since the Quran is fully detailed.
We also know the the Muhammad prayed using the Quran alone because the way he prayed was the SAME WAY prophet Abraham prayed because in the Quran GOD says that it was Abraham who was first given, Salaat, fasting, the hajj and zakaat and it is ONLY the Quran that details this and not any Hadith.So if the Hadith followers ask how do you pray the way Muhammed prayed using the Quran Alone, tell them to pray the way prophet Abraham prayed as described in the Quran because thats who Muhammed (along with all the other prophets before him) followed and he did not pray any different from them.
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They told us that the former was persuading the latter into lobbying their Master. hmm nope
Oh and welcome, George! ) You were a bit stern in tone in your emails, but i guess it's for the better.
Yeah, i noticed too. But I would have done the same. ;D
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Had to be done ;D
yeah.
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Can you post the link to those Quran Alone videos.
thanks.
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very intersting conversation, enjoyed reading it and seems we all get the same exact responses from 'muslims' when we mention God Alone and Quran Alone! Its FEAR!! ;D
Exaactly. yes yes
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I know that most men, including those at ease with the problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the very fabric of their lives. Leo Tolstoy
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Salaam,
my friend asked me to post this on there behalf
Hello There
I am new here but have been veiwing your website for about a year I would just like to share some email conversations I had with an hadith follower (cannot call him a muslim since Quran and hadith condemn hadith) after sending him some Quran Alone videos.
HADITH FOLLOWER
All the videos you have sent me they are desighned by the ENEMEY OF
ISLAM, you need to seat with some one that has a knowledgabe to Answer all the
quations about those videos. They wanted to misguide us (muslims).
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Prostrate and cry to Allah tonight and ask him to show you the truth.May Allah Help us
MY RESPONSE
The videos I sent you are NOT from the enemies of Islam but are from
those who know of the TRUE history of hadith which the so called learned ones
deliberatly conceal to misguide and lead millions astray.The ones who follow any other hadith/sunnah other then GODS hadith(THE
QURAN the best hadith)are the true enemies of Islam because they pray to GOD
with the mouths but disbelieve and disobey GOD in their hearts when he tell them
in the Quran not follow any baseless hadith Chapter 316
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DO NOT BLINDLY believe everything you are told by shieks, scholars and
Imams without first studying and thinking for yourself like GOD tells us to do
Chapter 1736. Who are you going to follow? Your desire?
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" "Prostrate and cry to Allah tonight and ask him to show you the truth
HADITH FOLLOWER
I wanted to know who is teaching you all this Rubish, i should say
misguide you. You just came to islam yesterday. What is wrong with you. You need
to wake up again. You are playing with Fire. Are you teaching yourself? or
GOOGLE is your teacher? You need to be very very very careful, who do you take
your religion from?
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Let me ask you a question do you believe in the 5 prayes, is it written
the in quran how to perform all the prayes.I am shocked when i received your email about this.
MY RESPONSE
No one is teaching me because I did MY OWN research BY READING THE so called
authentic HADITH FOR MYSELF research and THINKING FOR MYSELF and SEING ALL THE
CONTRADICTIONS STUPID LIES AND BlASPHEMIES AGAINST GOD AND THE PROHET FOR
MYSELF,just like the Bible but you reject the Bible because of it being
corrupted but accept the Hadith even though it proves itself to be corrupted, to
contradict the Quran and even contradict itself, what hypocracy.
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What the HELL is wrong with you that YOU can't think for yourself but you
let your Imams and shieks and scholars think for you (or should I say misguide
you )and teach you rubbish which you blindly believe even though what they say
goes against the QURAN and even (ironically) the Hadith where according to it
the prohphet is telling his followers not to write down anything he says except
the Quran.
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You've been muslim all your life and yet you STILL doubt GOD when he says
that his Quran fully detailed, fully explained, fully complete, easy to
understand, because you stupidly blindly like robots repeat the nonsense that the
scholars tell you "you need the hadith to expain the Quran", and when you
stupidly say that, you are saying that the same GOD who created the entitre
universe ON HIS OWN, is an incapable GOD and that he needs the help of Bukhari
or the other hadith writers to explain his own book.
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So Bukhari is equal to GOD now is he because you are saying that he and all
the other hadith writers can do something that GOD can't do as in "explain the
Quran",better than GOD can?, even though GOD himself says his Quran is fully
detailed 1854.
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THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SHIRK/IDOLATARYSo the scholars/Bukhari is are "right" and GOD is "wrong" and their telling
the truth and GOD is a liar eh?Huh?Huh???
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So you submitt you will to the scholars and hadith writers?THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SHIRK/IDOLATARY by putting the corrpted books of
men (bukhari/hadith)on equal or even high level than the infalible book the
Quran..
Let me ask you these questions
Where in the Quran does it say you "need the hadith to explain the Quran"?
Where in the Hadith does it say that?
Where in the Quran does it say that music, singing, drawing, statues,
musical instruments and dogs are haraam?Where does it say in the Quran that Ayesha was nine years old when the
prophet had sex with her (so now you are calling the prohet you claim you love and
respect a peadophile)?Where does it say in the Quran that you should bow down to the black stone
whilst on hajj?Where does it say in the Quran that a womans testimony is only half that of
a man??Where does it say in the Quran that women cannot lead prayers?
Where does it say in the Quran that men and women should prayer seperatley?
Where does it say in the Quran that you should mention Muhammed's name or
any other prophets name while praying?
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Oh and you said that I have only been muslim since yesterday, but I was a
christian for much longer and because of that I know contradictory sripture when
I see it and it only took reading a few hadith from the Bukhari books for me to
see that the hadith ARE EVERY BIT AS CORRUPTED AS THE BIBLE and if your saying
yes to the hadith then you meight as well say yes to the bible which means you
are EVERY BIT AS MISHIRKEN AS THE CHRISTIANS and that shocks me.You said,"You need to be very very very careful, who do you take your
religion from?"
You right including hadith followers who going against GOD in the quran
simply by following another hadith other than his.
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HADITH FOLLOWERWe started to act like a children now, i am shocked and sad by your respond.
As a muslim i will never act that way you have acted. If i have offended you by
your believe i apologise.
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MY RESPONSEI appreciate your response, accept your apology and thank you for it.
The reason I sent you those links is because as a fellow muslim AND friend I
thought you deserved to be told the truth about the hadith or at very least
start to question their so called authenticity and know about the FACT that the
Quran actually CONDEMNS the hadith BY NAME in several places in the original
arabic of the Quran and I may not know much arabic BUT I certainly know what
HADITH looks like in arabic, which I checked to see if it appears or not in the
verses in the Quran that actually condemn hadith and YES it definetly IS there
but yet does not appear in any of the well known english translations like
Pickthal and Ali which means they have deliberatley left out that word to make
people think it's ok to follow hadith when it truth it is HARAAM.
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To carry on following the hadith EVEN AFTER GOD has told us not to follow it is
to basically stick two fingers up at GOD and tell him "Im going to do what I or
what the scholars want me to do no matter what you say GOD!" and that is BLATANT
DISRESPECT and DISOBEDIENCE and the punisment for which is the HELLFIRE.No true muslim (someone who submits their will to almighty GOD)would ever do
that.So I was actually trying to help you by doing what I did I knew it would shock
and even upset you BUT the truth sometimes upset people BUT I would by hurting
you even more as a friend if I were to tell you lies and that it's ok to follow
hadith EVEN when GOD in the Quran is telling us NOT to do so and mislead you
into the hellfire.
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Now what kind of a friend would I be if I were to do that?If being passionate/defending my faith,doing the will of GOD, confronting lies
with truth and trying to help a friend out, looks as if I am acting like a child
to you then so be it but for that I cannot apoligies for.I have already provided you with the links of websites but it is entirely UP TO
YOU what you do with them.Just consider the things I have said and look at those websites,do your own
research(even if it's just to prove me wrong) and decide for youself that are
you going to do things GOD'S way or are you going to carry on doing what you
have always done because thats what your parents,family,scholars and other so
called muslims have always done.Again my intention was NEVER hurt you but ONLY YO HELP YOU and I am glad we can
be civil to each other and or respectlfully disagree with each other like proper
muslims should.May Allah Guide us all.
Thanks
Basically these are my reasons for becomming a Quran Alone Muslim
Peace to you all