Where is the First Focal Point's place mentioned in the Quran?
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Peace raginggaijin, all
can you once in your life provide a REAL proof for your claims ??
For example,
1 - Although the two small mountains near the "Kaaba" are nowadays called by sectarians "safa and marwa " , it is not a PROOF that they refer to "safa and marwa" in 2158.
2- the sectarians calling the mosque in jerusalem " al masjid al-aqsa" does not PROVE that is it the "al masjid al-aqsa" in 171Sorry if i am a bit rude, but i can call this "intellectual masturbation".
if you want to recieve credit for bringing us PROOFS, then try these
1 - Proove that "safa and marwa" (as meaning 2 mountains) were known before islamic era. They should , because the prophet didn't built any mountain )
2 - Proove that the temple in jerusalem was called "al masjid al Aqsa " by any of the previous scriptures/cultures/histories etc...
If you do that, i will humbly admit that "you-know-it-all" and i will stand up and bravo
Salam
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Peace herbman;
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For such situations advice is
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/023.%20Al%20Momenoon/23.54.gif
Therefore, for that reason, You the Messenger leave them in their interests veiling upon them until the time .http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/023.%20Al%20Momenoon/023.D%20%20Al%20Momenoon.htm
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Peace herbman;
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For such situations advice is
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/023.%20Al%20Momenoon/23.54.gif
Therefore, for that reason, You the Messenger leave them in their interests veiling upon them until the time .http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/023.%20Al%20Momenoon/023.D%20%20Al%20Momenoon.htm
peace
and for such an answer;
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YUSUFALI Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best (meaning) in it those are the ones whom Allah has guided, and those are the ones endued with understanding
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YUSUFALI When it is said to them "Follow what Allah hath revealed" They say "Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! even though their fathers Were void of wisdom and guidance?
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SHAKIR And they say Our hearts are covered. Nay, Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe.Follow a stone buyilding , which used to be a hindu shrine;
http//www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm
wow
peace
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peace
and for such an answer;
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YUSUFALI Those who listen to the Word, and follow the best (meaning) in it those are the ones whom Allah has guided, and those are the ones endued with understanding
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YUSUFALI When it is said to them "Follow what Allah hath revealed" They say "Nay! we shall follow the ways of our fathers." What! even though their fathers Were void of wisdom and guidance?
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SHAKIR And they say Our hearts are covered. Nay, Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe.Follow a stone buyilding , which used to be a hindu shrine;
http//www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm
wow
peace
Oh great so now Hinduism is attributed to the Ka'bah?
This doesnt make any sense whatso-ever.Supposedily, it was Arabian Peganism (Hual,allat, and other pegan moon/sun gods)...and Now people are saying Hinduism?
I've now fully 100% realized that the entire world has absolutly NO IDEA about ANYTHING whatso ever whether it be religion, Political, Science etc..
I've now just become very pessimistic, and perhaps even misanthropic.
Even a Simple Task such as a Qibla cannot even be exactly followed or defined. rotfl )
why? thats all I have to say?..... We have endowed the Children of Israel with a position of honor, and blessed them with good provisions. Yet, they disputed when this knowledge came to them. Your Lord will judge them on the Day of Resurrection regarding everything they disputed.
He will then point out to everyone all the things they had disputed, and will let those who disbelieved know that they were liars.
Its kinda sad that "AFTER" knowledge was revealed....was it Lost/Distorted/Disputed...
Ya Allah!
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And if you bring, to those people whom Book was given earlier, each and every individual evidential sign/unprecedented occurrence even then they will not physically follow your Qib'laa'taa ;
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.145d.gif
And you will never follow/be follower of their Qib'laa'taa
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And neither they, the two segments of People of Book, will ever be practical followers of Qib'laa'taa of each other ;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.C.142.htm
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Oh great so now Hinduism is attributed to the Ka'bah?
This doesnt make any sense whatso-ever.Supposedily, it was Arabian Peganism (Hual,allat, and other pegan moon/sun gods)...and Now people are saying Hinduism?
I've now fully 100% realized that the entire world has absolutly NO IDEA about ANYTHING whatso ever whether it be religion, Political, Science etc..
I've now just become very pessimistic, and perhaps even misanthropic.
Even a Simple Task such as a Qibla cannot even be exactly followed or defined. rotfl
why? thats all I have to say?..... We have endowed the Children of Israel with a position of honor, and blessed them with good provisions. Yet, they disputed when this knowledge came to them. Your Lord will judge them on the Day of Resurrection regarding everything they disputed.
He will then point out to everyone all the things they had disputed, and will let those who disbelieved know that they were liars.
Its kinda sad that "AFTER" knowledge was revealed....was it Lost/Distorted/Disputed...
Ya Allah!
I believe it was one of their colonies and was known as arvastan.......
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Peace all,
today i browsed this forum and i found a topic started by raigingaijin
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597932.0
after i read this topic and understood what raiginggaijin beliefs are, i was convinced by this fact debating with him sounds like a deaf debate.
Completly useless, since the guy is completly "out of sync". brickwall
neverthless, i checked youtube for "the arrivals series" he promoted...Although they contain "some" truths, those videos are full of absurdities (just like many of raigingaijin's posts > )Some of their theories (ep.36 to 51) are represented by ''great hollywood movies" such as MATRIX and LORD OF THE RINGS laugh laugh
1 - Sauron (LotR) represents the one-eyed dajjal.
2 - Gandlaf (LotR) represents the imam Mahdi.
3 - Aragorn (LotR) represents the coming Messiah.
etc...P.S what about Bilbon the hobbit ?? rotfl rotfl
salam
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And if you bring, to those people whom Book was given earlier, each and every individual evidential sign/unprecedented occurrence even then they will not physically follow your Qib'laa'taa ;
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And you will never follow/be follower of their Qib'laa'taa
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.98.gif
And neither they, the two segments of People of Book, will ever be practical followers of Qib'laa'taa of each other ;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.C.142.htm
Sorry to disagree;
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(Our religion is) the Baptism of Allah And who can baptize better than Allah? And it is He Whom we worship
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Say Will ye dispute with us about Allah, seeing that He is our Lord and your Lord; that we are responsible for our doings and ye for yours; and that We are sincere (in our faith) in Him?
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Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
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That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case
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The fools among the people will say "What hath turned them from the methods/lifestyles/beliefs to which they were used?" Say To Allah belongs all that is given rise to and all that is done away with He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight(siraat mustaqeem-the streight way).peace
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Where is your proof of this claim?
Peace all,
If Macca is the place where God, though Abraham, Called people to make hajj to, Then where are the prooves that show that the great moslem prophets (e.g., Mosas, Isa, Solomon, Davied, Zakaria, Yahia) have visited Macca, even one time.
Do all the exited seen prooves show that these prophets have lived and Preeched in Jeruslem?
Does Maqam Abraham exist in Jeruslam (his tomb)? Or is it the two left foot prints in Macca (it shows that Abraham had two left Foot instead of left and right?Peace
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Peace
Peace all,
If Macca is the place where God, though Abraham, Called people to make hajj to, Then where are the prooves that show that the great moslem prophets (e.g., Mosas, Isa, Solomon, Davied, Zakaria, Yahia) have visited Macca, even one time.
Do all the exited seen prooves show that these prophets have lived and Preeched in Jeruslem?
Does Maqam Abraham exist in Jeruslam (his tomb)? Or is it the two left foot prints in Macca (it shows that Abraham had two left Foot instead of left and right? ]Never mind asking for the proofs for the above mentioned prophets ever visited Macca , more important is .....Where is the proof that Ibrahim and his son ever went to Macca at all ?
Peace and Thank you
almarh0m
Peace
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raginggaijin,
Would you be able to meet this demand of proof at the end
"Wa-itha tutla AAalayhim ayatuna bayyinatin ma kana hujjatahum illa an qaloo i/too bi-aba-ina in kuntum sadiqeena" Surah 4525
I don't need to see my relatives raised from the dead. I know Allah is King, All Mighty, Wise. The proof is in the Quran, the revelation of Allah, the word of the Prophet (pbuh). It is a guidance for the believers. Surah 4144
If you want to believe in some other saying, go right ahead. I am not responsible for you. In the End, we will know who is rightly guided, and who is taking the Book as a mockery and a joke.
I'm not here to guide. I am giving proofs of what I believe. Check it out for yourself.
The Truth stands clear of falsehood. The Truth prevails in argument.
Peace.
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Peace all,
today i browsed this forum and i found a topic started by raigingaijin
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597932.0
after i read this topic and understood what raiginggaijin beliefs are, i was convinced by this fact debating with him sounds like a deaf debate.
Completly useless, since the guy is completly "out of sync". brickwall
neverthless, i checked youtube for "the arrivals series" he promoted...Although they contain "some" truths, those videos are full of absurdities (just like many of raigingaijin's posts > )Some of their theories (ep.36 to 51) are represented by ''great hollywood movies" such as MATRIX and LORD OF THE RINGS laugh laugh
1 - Sauron (LotR) represents the one-eyed dajjal.
2 - Gandlaf (LotR) represents the imam Mahdi.
3 - Aragorn (LotR) represents the coming Messiah.
etc...P.S what about Bilbon the hobbit ?? rotfl rotfl
salam
Is this the best you can bring to bear, quickduck? The steps to my own emergence from the teachings of men to the Truth of Allah?
Is this how you strive to prevail in debate? Insults and Ad Hominem instead of disproving using clear arguments?
Who is rightly guided One who insults or one who brings proofs? What does the Quran say
"Or do those in whose hearts is a disease think that Allah will not bring forth their spite?
And if We please We would have made you know them so that you would certainly have recognized them by their marks and most certainly you can recognize them by the intent of speech; and Allah knows your deeds." Surah 4729-30Interesting. Your own words are proof against you. Insha'Allah, you will repent and ask Allah for guidance.
I forgive you.
May Allah increase the believers in knowledge.
May Allah curse the liars.
May Allah increase the unjust in nothing but destruction.
May Allah pour down patience from Most High upon the believers.
May Allah continue to guide us to the Truth.Peace.
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Peace raginggaijin, all
can you once in your life provide a REAL proof for your claims ??
So you need a proof of a proof.
For example,
1 - Although the two small mountains near the "Kaaba" are nowadays called by sectarians "safa and marwa " , it is not a PROOF that they refer to "safa and marwa" in 2158.Than what are they? Bring proofs if you speak truthfully.
2- the sectarians calling the mosque in jerusalem " al masjid al-aqsa" does not PROVE that is it the "al masjid al-aqsa" in 171
Than what does it prove?
Do you know of another Temple built by the Children of Israel, destroyed, rebuilt, and destroyed again? Surah 171,175-7,1760
This is in the Quran. Do you disbelieve in the revelation of Allah?
Do you know of another Temple that is the qiblah of the Children of Israel? I Kings 822-44
The Quran verifies the Truth in previous Books.Sorry if i am a bit rude, but i can call this "intellectual masturbation".
Allah knows your heart. Surah 4729-30
if you want to recieve credit for bringing us PROOFS, then try these
I am not seeking any reward. I am only showing what I believe. If the argument prevails, then it is proof I am rightly guided.
"And they shall not bring to you any argument, but We have brought to you with truth and best in significance." Surah 2533
"Say Then Allah's is the conclusive argument; so if He please, He would certainly guide you all." Surah 6149
1 - Proove that "safa and marwa" (as meaning 2 mountains) were known before islamic era. They should , because the prophet didn't built any mountain )
2 - Proove that the temple in jerusalem was called "al masjid al Aqsa " by any of the previous scriptures/cultures/histories etc...
So what you are saying is you need guidance outside of the Quran before you will believe.
"And certainly We have explained for men in this Quran every kind of similitude, but most men do not consent to aught but denying." Surah 1789
"That is because they hated what Allah revealed, so He rendered their deeds null." Surah 479
May Allah continue to guide us to the Truth.
Peace.
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So what you are saying is you need guidance outside of the Quran before you will believe.
it is YOU how claim following Quran AND injeel AND Torah, ....AND some illuminated "truthseekers" guys named Noreagaaa and Achernahr...
it is YOU, YOU....
So you need a proof of a proof ?
once again, you arrogantly present to us your "beliefs" as if they were "proofs"
Moreover, in every single one of your posts, you quote quranic verses that have nothing to do with the topic except being a "polite way" to insult those who don't agree with you .
salam,
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So what you are saying is you need guidance outside of the Quran before you will believe.
It is you, my friend, who look for guidance outside the quran, as quran doesn't say safa and marwa are the names of mountains but sure we find these things in books of ahadith, the so called teachings of the prophet.
Peace
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It is you, my friend, who look for guidance outside the quran, as quran doesn't say safa and marwa are the names of mountains but sure we find these things in books of ahadith, the so called teachings of the prophet.
Peace
Why to look somewhere else? Qur'aan is giving the location of two places, by the Albait where people go for Hajj, where one has to walk around. Both the names are Definite Nouns. Anyone who goes there and asks about by giving specific name any person of that locality will take you there, and you will will find it is the name of rocky mountain.
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Indeed As-Safa and Al-Marwa are amongst Allah's symbolic emblems. Therefore there is nothing wrong if someone, on annual pilgrimage or visit for oum'raa, walks in between the two. And who ever listened and willingly accepted the righteous/good thing, it will be appreciated/acknowledged since Allah is indeed The Recognizer, eternally All Knowing.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.C.142.htm
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Both the names are Definite Nouns.
Of course they are.. sun they are written Capitalized in the original arabic Quran rotfl
Anyone who goes there and asks about by giving specific name any person of that locality will take you there, and you will will find it is the name of rocky mountain.
As well as when you ask anyone about al Masjid al haram, they sure will show you the way to Mecca...
What a Wonderful PROOOOOOOOF (spoof ?) rotfl
salam