Where is the First Focal Point's place mentioned in the Quran?
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Peace
Peace all,
If Macca is the place where God, though Abraham, Called people to make hajj to, Then where are the prooves that show that the great moslem prophets (e.g., Mosas, Isa, Solomon, Davied, Zakaria, Yahia) have visited Macca, even one time.
Do all the exited seen prooves show that these prophets have lived and Preeched in Jeruslem?
Does Maqam Abraham exist in Jeruslam (his tomb)? Or is it the two left foot prints in Macca (it shows that Abraham had two left Foot instead of left and right? ]Never mind asking for the proofs for the above mentioned prophets ever visited Macca , more important is .....Where is the proof that Ibrahim and his son ever went to Macca at all ?
Peace and Thank you
almarh0m
Peace
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raginggaijin,
Would you be able to meet this demand of proof at the end
"Wa-itha tutla AAalayhim ayatuna bayyinatin ma kana hujjatahum illa an qaloo i/too bi-aba-ina in kuntum sadiqeena" Surah 4525
I don't need to see my relatives raised from the dead. I know Allah is King, All Mighty, Wise. The proof is in the Quran, the revelation of Allah, the word of the Prophet (pbuh). It is a guidance for the believers. Surah 4144
If you want to believe in some other saying, go right ahead. I am not responsible for you. In the End, we will know who is rightly guided, and who is taking the Book as a mockery and a joke.
I'm not here to guide. I am giving proofs of what I believe. Check it out for yourself.
The Truth stands clear of falsehood. The Truth prevails in argument.
Peace.
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Peace all,
today i browsed this forum and i found a topic started by raigingaijin
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597932.0
after i read this topic and understood what raiginggaijin beliefs are, i was convinced by this fact debating with him sounds like a deaf debate.
Completly useless, since the guy is completly "out of sync". brickwall
neverthless, i checked youtube for "the arrivals series" he promoted...Although they contain "some" truths, those videos are full of absurdities (just like many of raigingaijin's posts > )Some of their theories (ep.36 to 51) are represented by ''great hollywood movies" such as MATRIX and LORD OF THE RINGS laugh laugh
1 - Sauron (LotR) represents the one-eyed dajjal.
2 - Gandlaf (LotR) represents the imam Mahdi.
3 - Aragorn (LotR) represents the coming Messiah.
etc...P.S what about Bilbon the hobbit ?? rotfl rotfl
salam
Is this the best you can bring to bear, quickduck? The steps to my own emergence from the teachings of men to the Truth of Allah?
Is this how you strive to prevail in debate? Insults and Ad Hominem instead of disproving using clear arguments?
Who is rightly guided One who insults or one who brings proofs? What does the Quran say
"Or do those in whose hearts is a disease think that Allah will not bring forth their spite?
And if We please We would have made you know them so that you would certainly have recognized them by their marks and most certainly you can recognize them by the intent of speech; and Allah knows your deeds." Surah 4729-30Interesting. Your own words are proof against you. Insha'Allah, you will repent and ask Allah for guidance.
I forgive you.
May Allah increase the believers in knowledge.
May Allah curse the liars.
May Allah increase the unjust in nothing but destruction.
May Allah pour down patience from Most High upon the believers.
May Allah continue to guide us to the Truth.Peace.
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Peace raginggaijin, all
can you once in your life provide a REAL proof for your claims ??
So you need a proof of a proof.
For example,
1 - Although the two small mountains near the "Kaaba" are nowadays called by sectarians "safa and marwa " , it is not a PROOF that they refer to "safa and marwa" in 2158.Than what are they? Bring proofs if you speak truthfully.
2- the sectarians calling the mosque in jerusalem " al masjid al-aqsa" does not PROVE that is it the "al masjid al-aqsa" in 171
Than what does it prove?
Do you know of another Temple built by the Children of Israel, destroyed, rebuilt, and destroyed again? Surah 171,175-7,1760
This is in the Quran. Do you disbelieve in the revelation of Allah?
Do you know of another Temple that is the qiblah of the Children of Israel? I Kings 822-44
The Quran verifies the Truth in previous Books.Sorry if i am a bit rude, but i can call this "intellectual masturbation".
Allah knows your heart. Surah 4729-30
if you want to recieve credit for bringing us PROOFS, then try these
I am not seeking any reward. I am only showing what I believe. If the argument prevails, then it is proof I am rightly guided.
"And they shall not bring to you any argument, but We have brought to you with truth and best in significance." Surah 2533
"Say Then Allah's is the conclusive argument; so if He please, He would certainly guide you all." Surah 6149
1 - Proove that "safa and marwa" (as meaning 2 mountains) were known before islamic era. They should , because the prophet didn't built any mountain )
2 - Proove that the temple in jerusalem was called "al masjid al Aqsa " by any of the previous scriptures/cultures/histories etc...
So what you are saying is you need guidance outside of the Quran before you will believe.
"And certainly We have explained for men in this Quran every kind of similitude, but most men do not consent to aught but denying." Surah 1789
"That is because they hated what Allah revealed, so He rendered their deeds null." Surah 479
May Allah continue to guide us to the Truth.
Peace.
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So what you are saying is you need guidance outside of the Quran before you will believe.
it is YOU how claim following Quran AND injeel AND Torah, ....AND some illuminated "truthseekers" guys named Noreagaaa and Achernahr...
it is YOU, YOU....
So you need a proof of a proof ?
once again, you arrogantly present to us your "beliefs" as if they were "proofs"
Moreover, in every single one of your posts, you quote quranic verses that have nothing to do with the topic except being a "polite way" to insult those who don't agree with you .
salam,
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So what you are saying is you need guidance outside of the Quran before you will believe.
It is you, my friend, who look for guidance outside the quran, as quran doesn't say safa and marwa are the names of mountains but sure we find these things in books of ahadith, the so called teachings of the prophet.
Peace
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It is you, my friend, who look for guidance outside the quran, as quran doesn't say safa and marwa are the names of mountains but sure we find these things in books of ahadith, the so called teachings of the prophet.
Peace
Why to look somewhere else? Qur'aan is giving the location of two places, by the Albait where people go for Hajj, where one has to walk around. Both the names are Definite Nouns. Anyone who goes there and asks about by giving specific name any person of that locality will take you there, and you will will find it is the name of rocky mountain.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.233.gif
Indeed As-Safa and Al-Marwa are amongst Allah's symbolic emblems. Therefore there is nothing wrong if someone, on annual pilgrimage or visit for oum'raa, walks in between the two. And who ever listened and willingly accepted the righteous/good thing, it will be appreciated/acknowledged since Allah is indeed The Recognizer, eternally All Knowing.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.C.142.htm
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Both the names are Definite Nouns.
Of course they are.. sun they are written Capitalized in the original arabic Quran rotfl
Anyone who goes there and asks about by giving specific name any person of that locality will take you there, and you will will find it is the name of rocky mountain.
As well as when you ask anyone about al Masjid al haram, they sure will show you the way to Mecca...
What a Wonderful PROOOOOOOOF (spoof ?) rotfl
salam
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peace
Well i am not paid by any saudies to advertise their religion, so here is my understanding;
All From lanes
Safaa = Reciprocal or brotherly affection.
Marwata = Abstinance from things unlawful.
2158, becomes.
The brotherly affection and the abstinence from things unlawful (are) of/from the knowledge/signs (of) Allah so whoever desires the system should betake himself so that/there is no crime on him when he walks about with concern/desire/regard/intention and whosoever does voluntarily good then verily Allah (is) All-Recogniser All-Knower.
peace
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it is YOU how claim following Quran AND injeel AND Torah, ....AND some illuminated "truthseekers" guys named Noreagaaa and Achernahr...
I do not follow Noreagaa and Achernahr. Give proofs where I claim to be one of their followers, if you speak truthfully. Or add slander and lies to your burden of sin.
Their video series has a lot of Truth in them, and they were of assistance when I was being guided out of Christianity. But they too follow hadith, and in order to feed the lies they have to wrap them in Truth. In this video I publicly challenge them on their belief of hadiths, even burning a hadith
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVfj_5vzOks
So you strive to slander. What does Allah say about that
"And those who speak evil things of the believing men and the believing women without their having earned (it), they are guilty indeed of a false accusation and a manifest sin." Surah 3358
I follow only the Quran, the pure protected guidance. As a previous Christian, I had to be shown by Allah the corruption of the previous Books, and read in the Quran where we are to follow only what Allah revealed. Surah 299, 73, 7157, 7203-204, 864, 12111, 332, 1736,1827-28, 159, 2848-49, 3529, 496, 5417,22,32,40, 8521-22, 961, 981-8
?O Prophet! Allah is sufficient for you and such of the believers as follow you." Surah 864
I can prove the Quran is from Allah as it is pure, protected. The Bible, though it contains remnants of previous Books, has been mishandled by man.
it is YOU, YOU....
once again, you arrogantly present to us your "beliefs" as if they were "proofs"
Moreover, in every single one of your posts, you quote quranic verses that have nothing to do with the topic except being a "polite way" to insult those who don't agree with you .
Allah revealed about the Temple, Al-Aqsa. Yet you cannot provide another Temple of the Bani Israel destroyed twice.
Allah revealed about Safa and Marwa. Yet you cannot provide another Safa and Marwa among the signs of Allah associated with Hajj and the House.You should be taking note of the ayats provided, praying for guidance. Turn to Allah before the chastisement comes.
Your own words condemn you. Your own actions condemn you.
Look how you reply to Mazhar
What a Wonderful PROOOOOOOOF (spoof ?) rotfl
We know them by their marks, their words, and their actions. These are not the actions of a believer, now are they. Shame on you, quickduck.
Had you read the original Arabic Quran you would know Safa and Marwa are alsafa almarwata. Nouns.
"O you who believe! let not people laugh at people perchance they may be better than they, nor let women at women, perchance they may be better than they; and do not find fault with your own people nor call one another by nicknames; evil is a bad name after faith, and whoever does not turn, these it is that are the unjust." Surah 4911
Allah is clear about what we are to do.
"And when you see those who enter into false discourses about Our communications, withdraw from them until they enter into some other discourse, and if the Shaitan causes you to forget, then do not sit after recollection with the unjust people." Surah 668
Your words clearly profess who rules your heart, quickduck. Turn to Allah, pray to Him for guidance, before the chastisement comes.
"Or do those in whose hearts is a disease think that Allah will not bring forth their spite?
And if We please We would have made you know them so that you would certainly have recognized them by their marks and most certainly you can recognize them by the intent of speech; and Allah knows your deeds. " Surah 4729-30I'm shocked at the display found here at Free Minds. Is this how believers are supposed to react when your beliefs are put to the test To lash out?
To resort to Name Calling, is that taught in the Quran? To resort to Ad Hominem, when Allah tells us He gives the best argument?
I give thanks Allah brought me here, as I am able to test the theories I have, to show my beliefs, and they have yet to be disproved. You could not refute what I stated so I am verbally attacked and slandered. But I see I am not among those who follow what Allah revealed, nor who follow the deen of Al-Islam.
"Or have they associates who have prescribed for them any religion that Allah does not sanction? And were it not for the word of judgment, it would have been decided between them. And surely for the wrongdoers is a painful chastisement." Surah 4221
To you are your deeds, to me are mine.
"And the recompense of evil is punishment like it; but whoever forgives and amends, his reward is with Allah. Surely He loves not the wrongdoers." Surah 4240
I strive to serve Allah and only Allah, and I follow what He revealed to the Prophet (pbuh). I will not take for friends or guardians those who do not follow the deen of Al-Islam.
"And Noah said My Lord, leave not of the disbelievers any dweller on the land.
For if Thou leave them, they will lead astray Thy servants, and will not beget any but immoral, ungrateful ones.
My Lord, forgive me and my parents and him who enters my house believing, and the believing men and the believing women. And increase not the wrongdoers in aught but destruction." Surah 7126-28For the attacks upon me and my character, I forgive you.
May Allah deliver the believers.
Peace.
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As Far as Noreagaaa and Achnar and the WAKE UP PROJECT goes, I AM a registered Member on their Forum and Website and have written many Threads and watched every single Movie they have put out.
I have alot of Respect for those Brothers. However Bare in Mind THAT IS APART OF THE CONSPIRACY THEORIST MOVEMENT
They started with Abdullah Hashim, a student and Spy exposing the Cult Religions and Holywood.The Wake Up Project Focuses on Consipracy theories such as 911,Zionism,Freemason, iluminati,Bohemim groove, Music Industry, Film industry,Pegan, Magic, and many other events from an "Traditionalist Islamic Point of View".
However the Group is not ONLY traditionalist, Since I am a Quranist who was Awared Member of the Month as well as invited to be a Global Moderator, and a Press Member.I love the Wakeup Project, the Arrivals, The Divine Book, and what they put out.
(there are Obvious disagreements such as the Mahdi, Hadith, and Jesus....but aside from the obvious I enjoy their site.
Also Note that They are re-releasing the Arrivals and attempting to Correct any Errors they have made in the Previous Arrivals Series.
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"And Noah said My Lord, leave not of the disbelievers any dweller on the land.
For if Thou leave them, they will lead astray Thy servants, and will not beget any but immoral, ungrateful ones.
My Lord, forgive me and my parents and him who enters my house believing, and the believing men and the believing women. And increase not the wrongdoers in aught but destruction." Surah 7126-28May Allah deliver the believers.
Peace.
Why would any sane person ask the forgiveness of person having comitted a grave sin for simply entering his house?
wouldn't entering or taking up a Godly system be a better reason for the forgiveness?
A bait can't be a house according to the quran i reckon.
hypno
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I follow only the Quran, the pure protected guidance. As a previous Christian, I had to be shown by Allah the corruption of the previous Books, and read in the Quran where we are to follow only what Allah revealed.
Heartfelt congratulations.
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Those whom We had given the Book before this , they believe in it.
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And when that/Grand Qur'aan is recited to them, word by word, they said, "We have believed in it, indeed this is the Statement of Fact from our Sustainer Lord;
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indeed we have been Muslims in the times before this/Grand Qur'aan was sent in"
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They are the people who will be paid their reward two times for the reason that they remained steadfast exercising coolly perseverance.
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And they repel/avert evil/misconduct with good and mannered conduct.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/028.%20Al%20Qasas/028.%20C%20Al%20Qasas.htm
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Peace all,
If we do what we say, then we will have to accept that Jeruslem is the place of Hajj. If we follow the Quran, Torah and Injeel, then the case will be closed; however, some people claim they are believers, but they reject the Judgement of their Lord that are very clear in His Books, and instead, they seek Evil Judgement.
Here what God said about them
460 Did you not see those who claimed they believed in what was sent down to you and what was sent before you? They wanted to seek judgment using evil, while they were ordered to reject it. It is the devil who wants to lead them far astray.
461 And if they are told ?Come to what God has sent down and to the messenger,? you see the hypocrites turning away from you strongly.
462 Why then, when disaster befalls them for what their hands have delivered, do they come to you swearing by God that they only wanted to do good and reconcile?
463 These are a people whom God knows what is in their hearts, so turn away from them and advise them, and say to them in their souls a clear saying. -
Peace ayman,
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.If you agree that the first focal point was a physical point from which they turned. The question is this, they turned to where? To no direction or a different direction?
THINK ABOUT IT.ZUBAIRUS
Peace ayman,
I am still awaiting your response to my request.
ZUBAIRUS
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Peace Zubairus,
If you agree that the first focal point was a physical point from which they turned. The question is this, they turned to where? To no direction or a different direction?
THINK ABOUT IT.I am still awaiting your response to my request.
They turned away from a physical direction to the non-physical direction towards the truth. Being on the direction towards the truth from your lord is being on the straight path. Please read 2142 to see the physical direction of the foolish people in contrast to the straight path of those who are guided.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Zubairus,
They turned away from a physical direction to the non-physical direction towards the truth. Being on the direction towards the truth from your lord is being on the straight path. Please read 2142 to see the physical direction of the foolish people in contrast to the straight path of those who are guided.
Peace,
Ayman
There was no physical direction ever - so they concucted a physicality and then simply made them turn to another physicality.
In the quran , 2142 isn't talking about turning from a physical direction at all but saying It isn't righteousnes to "DO" "to show" or to try and keep it from being known - your goodness, but righteousness is simply to believe /trust in Allah e.t.c
Havn't you seen a How a Muslim keeps a beard and is a five timer and probably wears a white prayer hat just to be seen to be mighty righteous - "does to show"
There arn't any two wests and two easts............its all a mayham!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599632.msg234890#msg234890
peace
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Peace Zubairus,
They turned away from a physical direction to the non-physical direction towards the truth. Being on the direction towards the truth from your lord is being on the straight path. Please read 2142 to see the physical direction of the foolish people in contrast to the straight path of those who are guided.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman,
I think it is a simple logic that one can only turn from a physical direction to another physical direction not to a non-physical direction.
2142 The foolish from among the people will say ?What has turned
them away from the focal point that they were on?? Say ?To God
are the east and the west, He guides whomsoever He wishes to a
straight path.?.Those reffered to as foolish were those that will say 'what has turned them away from the focal point that they were on?' Here the merciful lord said they should be told that ' To God are the east and the west,He guides whomsoever He wishes to the straight path.'
THINK ABOUT IT.
ZUBAIRUS