Taking off the Hijab
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it's sad how so many people are obsessed about telling women what to wear..
Peace,
Well what I meant was that temporarily all is fine. Atleast I am free from my frustrations, and that I am really happy.
Later on, I'll see what happens next, but Inshah Allah I'll get the guts to not accept his request of wearing it back.sounds complicated..
good luck with that
peace.
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Peace,
Well what I meant was that temporarily all is fine. Atleast I am free from my frustrations, and that I am really happy.
Later on, I'll see what happens next, but Inshah Allah I'll get the guts to not accept his request of wearing it back.Peace Soraya,
I would think that if he wants you to wear hijab - and you refuse - that it will create a lot of problems between you after you get married. Many men are adamant that their wives wear it. Just a thought ... but you of course know him - I don't. P -
Nice verse but irrelevant.
If showing hair is nudity, so is showing face, so is showing hand feet etc on both sexes. if you believe exposing anything is nudity well than it works both ways.
hair can be an attraction on men and women. Bald men for example look at them with and without hair, a different look is perceived. beauty is subjective.
Maybe you should ask your question
Incorrect... http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8 - Do you see women going deaf in front of men?
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Wow at this tirade. All I can say is wow. It's just a guess but are you a man? If you can point me to the part of the Quran which instructs women to cover their hair then I'll admit my mistake and never consider taking off my Hijab again but I've been searching and searching for 3 years and I STILL haven't found it. Maybe you saw something that the whole world didn't because even the Sunni Ulema admit that hair is not instructed to be covered (they just add that bit in their parenthesis).
But anyways, as far as I'm aware none of the Hijabis here have taken off their scarves and those without scarves didn't wear it in the first place so before you go all Domo Kun on us realise that it's not a superficial matter for us 'fake Muslimahs'. It's something that is obviously tearing me enough to have to even consider writing this do you think if I didn't care I would even think twice? But no, the 'real Muslimahs' (even those who believe that covering the hair is fardh) have never even considered taking off the Hijab right? The real Muslimahs have never ever done anything 'wrong' (and I'm not implying that anything in this discussion is wrong).
Also, I highly doubt that a flimsy piece of cotton is going to stop those pheromones from reaching those ravaging males who can't control themselves! And what about those ones who don't really give a damn if you wear a scarf or not? Orrr how about the ones who PREFER Hijab or even Niqab?
http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7514567.stm
http//observers.france24.com/en/content/20090414-fighting-sexual-harrassment-egypt-women-rightsQuran 2430-31 - refer to the arabic if you may.
http//www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/The real muslimahs understand quran 971, and they are not sexists. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8
And as for your links... please refer to the porn sexction here http//docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AV-t_z4hXTE3ZGNqemI3bmNfMGR6MzhtNmR2&hl=en
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rotfl This discussion has really made me laugh. The funny thing is, I was literally coming on this forum to ask this original question. I've been wanting to take off my headscarf for a while; and have slowly been doing what Sarah suggested, I'm at the showing my neck stage...
I'm still worried about what my friends are going to say. They were really supportive when I decided to wear it, giving me scarfs and pins etc. But that was before I learnt more about my faith. I know I rushed into wearing the headscarf but I know what everyone's going to think. A girl in my school stopped wearing the headscarf for one day and the backbiting carried on for weeks.
They're going to say you hate men, and you go against quran 971 as shown by the Italian scientists here http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8
Backbiting is of course forbidden... and that girl of yours seems to have a bad influence, but one cannot blame it since if you have back biters... you would obviously have other sinners.
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The Quran does not advocate the Hijab. The Quran says to cover your bossoms( breasts and butt) and to lengthen garments which means no mini skirts or midriff belly shirts. It means to wear modest clothes that dont show off your body sexually and to be protected from lustful eyes watching your chest or booty. We are not to reveal our chests to anyone but our husbands and that we should subdue our gaze and not be looking into mens eyes and there faces with sex and lust. We should not strike our feet to make our booties jiggle and draw attention.
DRESS CODE IN QURAN
Dress modestly
Cover our chest
Lengthen our garments( longer skirts and shirts as to not show off body)
do not show details of our bodies (breasts, butt, Thighs, etc)Dress code in Quran
Only show neccesary parts (2431)
Cover the chest ( 2431)
Dress modestly( 2431) def of modesty= quiet and humble in appearance
Lengthen your garment(3359)No where in those verses does it say we are required to wear hijab, We are required to the above mentioned but not required to wear Hijab. Some experts say that Neccesary parts are only eyes and some say the parts in which we use to perform prayers. GOD does not want us to hide or to make our lives difficult or complicated by having to wear hijab. If we dress modestly, cover our chests, lengthen out garments and do not show off the details or our bodies we will be in proper dress code accourding to the Quran.
The quran also refers to hiding one's beauty. It also refers to head covering being extended over chest. These two terms as well as lowering one's gaze... help humanity. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8
We must note that one form of sexual lust... flirtation... can be found in the form of flicking one's hair.
Warning to men (and lesbians) The following video contains scenes of graffic sexual flirtation
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu_0C8O2hTo
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i just thought i'd add remember Quran isn't against cultural rites and as societies move on from generation to generation things change as part of social/cultural norms. Doesn't mean people need to adopt them just saying it's part of society and that's fine but obligating it and make it part of religion or obligation is when lines get crossed.
I guess it'll be easier for you to take it off. the difference with me is i wore hijab because i "thought" it was an obligation. i felt i was doing right, following God's commands... i know how big the hijab is associated with the community i.e. she's following God's commands, shes doing jihad(struggling) in non muslim country to support her identity.. it's an identity and the fact that it's been apart of me so long it feels odd to just throw it off.
hijab has it's good points but people are just drawn to "it's oppressive, why should i bla bla bla"
sure, Quran isn't advocating hijab. it's given us the benchmark of the guidelines. IF we do more that's our actions irrespective of Quran.
i was thinking if i did take hijab off i'd need to change my wardrobe slightly. with the headscarf at least if the top is low cut it can cover. even if it isn't low cut cross your arms, or bend down you've exposed yourself.. most women's clothing tends to be more huggie as in tight fitted and low cut. just contrasts women's tops to men's.. kinda annoying.
You'd add a remember? Then where's this quranic remembrance? Where's the verse? Show me the quran.
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I take the lengthen your garment thing as your shirts should cover your stomach when arms are raised up, your neckline should cover your chest, even when bending forward. Your skirts should cover your buttocks and thighs when bending forward and that they should not be revealing your thighs when you sit and cross your legs. I take lengthen your garments as it says.. lengthening my garments to where my body and sexual parts are covered up and unseen. I dont think that GOD made the " lengthen your garment thing to mean Jilbab like some say. If GOD wanted us to wear Jilbab he would have said wear jilbab over your garments and not lengthen them..???
Legnthening garments as in the opposite to what the original poster said "that she was going to uncover her neck and shortern her garment as in her head covering".
If the god wanted you to wear a jilbab? Then of course, it's there in quran 3359 in the plural, so many jilbabs for you.
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haha. I don't think I have been on a forum before with such a healthy sense of humour.
I started wearing the hijab at the age of 16-17. My biggest reason for it was quite complicated. But basically as a minority in a country, where you dont feel like you are part of your own original culture, nor do you feel completely a part of the majority, you are stuck kind of in between without a sense of belonging. However, where I went to high-school, all the girls wearing hijab were "in-between" but it was an in-between group that they belonged in. I wanted to be a part of that group and thats what I chose. At that time, I believed that their values were similar to mine, and I also thought the hijab was obligatory. However, when I became part of this group, I started to realize more and more that I really was not one of them, but continued to wear it. People have a certain opinion of those that wear the hijab, and I just did not fit that description. Because its hard to just stop and deal with others' opinions.
Fast-track a couple of years, and I was going away to a different town to University, and it was an easy way out for me. I just took it off completely when I was there. I got the same amazing sense of feeling taking it off, just as I had done putting it on a few years earlier. However, whenever I was home, I put it back on again, because I wasnt ready to face the comments, and questions. It was a bit of living a dual life, and not much fun at times. There was one time my mom was lecturing me on the phone as to how the hijab was preventing me from basically everything (friends, a boy, job), when I hadnt been wearing one really for two years (Though, I had completely different reasons for taking it off, as I don't believe when I wore it, it hindered me from anything).
Then, this summer I graduated, I was done school, and back in a city among family (albeit in my own apartment). So I had to solve this dilemma one and for all. I wore a very large bandanna that covered all of my hair, but not my neck, all summer when I was around family. When winter approached, the bandanna got replaced with a toque, and the hood of my jacket. Now when its too warm for toques, and hoods, I just plan to go bare-headed. So i took a slow approach as well.
Anyways thats my story. For those of you that wear the hijab, and no intention of taking it off, I admire you. For those that feel it no longer fits their purpose in life, I admire you too, and pray God will give you strength to choose your destiny.
Also this summer, I found out that the one high-school friend who had been most influential to me, as for putting the hijab on in the first place, no longer wears one either.
You know any girls like this http//www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-502714/Why-Muslim-girl-born-virgin-wedding-night.html
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Thanks for sharing your story )
did you get much comments in the community? for your actions?
lol i wish my mum was like that
your family seems liberal. i don't have such freedom which just makes it difficult for me.
i bought a beanie (toque) the other day though it's got like a weaved cap, a different style but i liked it.. i thought hmm when winter comes if i got guts i'll go out with that on
You desire to be liberal rather than a believer a submitter a peace maker a muslim?
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I'm just waiting patiently to get to University soon enough. I think my personality will shift with it. I've become incredible reclusive since I began to wear it. I think I can identify with you about the fact that it might be something that you can identify with at a phase in your life, and I don't knock those who wear it or wouldn't consider taking it off, there are many reasons in favour of it and you know, I slightly admire them too. But for me personally, it doesn't represent what is within me any more. I'll take it off when I can make a fresh start and I'll be making some steps to return to my old self again, I miss being me and hijab doesn't represent me anymore.
Did you become reclusive because you afraid of what people would have thought of you if you said something? If islam doesn't represent you... then what represents you?
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peace Sarah,
But the sequence is
3358 says "and those who harm believing men/women......."
3359 discusses modification of jilbab for women
3360 says "and if they (perpetrators) do not cease/desist/refrain..."Is the harm mentioned in 3358 then an unrelated coincidence, and general statement not related to 3359?
Also, what do you make of the Arabic word "yantahi"?If it means "cease/desist/refrain" then it definitely means harm was taking place, this will be a fact.
That is not strictly true. That is why Asad uses "more conducive", because the Arabic literally says "that is more suitable/better that they be recognised and not harmed" NOT "modify jilbab so then they will not be harmed", as we all know a modification in jilbab does not guarantee no harm.
There are other problems for this non situation-specific view, as mentioned in the other thread, but remained unanswered.
Isn't there a quranic story that talks about such people who would try to conclude something opposite from the quran?
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Incorrect... http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8 - Do you see women going deaf in front of men?
That video is rubbish. women can go deaf in front of men, but you don't "see" deaf. it as as if you assert women have no attraction no sexual inclination to men. you obviously do not understand women.
You'd add a remember? Then where's this quranic remembrance? Where's the verse? Show me the quran.
thanks for misunderstanding me, let me fix my punctuation/grammar.
I just thought i'd add Remember, Quran isn't against cultural rites and as societies move on from generation to generation things change as part of social/cultural norms. Doesn't mean people need to adopt them just saying it's part of society and that's fine but obligating it and make it part of religion or obligation is when lines get crossed.
how about reading verse 4911 or verse 4913
It's when a rite/practice/culture introduces something and makes it obligatory and impedes on religious duty/law when it's not right.
why complicate things? Show me in the Quran about wearing headscarf. considering you're the wise male who knows how males think and apparently assume that all women are asexual and don't think about men in any form or way. women are so awesome they could never lose concentration in front of a man! go ahead show me where females need to be curtained away from men because men don't know how to use their brains around women.
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Peace all
Thanks for the welcome Munzir.
I don't think your relationship with the hijab is weird, Halihan. Many people wear it as a fashion statement. I personally think my main reason for wearing one, was my pride in being Muslim. After donning it, I came to realize, I was not really like any of the other hijab wearers.
My last year in highschool, I was with 2 muslim friends. One that wore a hijab, and one that did not. The one that did not said "I don't understand the reasons for wearing the hijab". Neither me or my other friend said anything to her. I always respected other people's beliefs, regardless of my outfits. But I remember thinking then, that this friend would never pray without hijab, or enter a mosque without hijab. You cannot have it both ways, if its obligatory, then its obligatory all the time, prayer or otherwise.
However, now that I no longer wear the hijab, I still pray wearing one, not because I believe that God won't accept my prayer without it. But its hard to break habits that have been formed since birth. While rituals may have little meaning, there is a degree of comfort in them.
What are your thoughts in this matter ?
If rituals have little meaning to you... then why do you do something you don't understand? Should you rather try to understand them? http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfflgF_H0kY
Should you rather know how to worship your creator? http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYMKQKSV0bY
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Peace Ay. Thanks for the story.
And I completely agree with Omeiza. A scarf on the head is just as much fashion as spaghetti straps and mini skirts.
You have some interesting points Ay. As I said in my very first post, I admire those that wear the hijab, and I admire those that have the courage to take it off. So im not one of those that hates the hijab. I dont agree with your slippery-slope argument of taking off the hijab will over time lead to mini-skirts. God gave us a brain to use, and most of use it to determine whats appropriate or not. Theres lot of muslim girls/women who have never worn the hijab (head-scarf), never will, but will never show even an inch of their legs in public. Second I don't see the issue with mini-skirts. While, I have never worn one, and probably never will due to my cultural conditioning, who is this woman/girl hurting by wearing one. Absolutely no one, so there is no need to judge her.
While I may find it hard to follow it all the time myself, I have this philosophy where we leave judgment to God in all instances except when one is being hurt. For example if a women is abusing her husband, we judge the woman, judge the situation, and get them both help.
If you find any fallacy in my arguments, please point them out. I am only here to learn.
Weren't face veils and headscarfs banned by colonialists when they took over muslim lands?