Taking off the Hijab
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Salam
I just wanted to add my personal experience for removing hijab.
Well to be frank I have been wearing my hijab since I was 16 years. Now I'm 20 years. A few months back I was feeling very frustrated wearing it. I coud not stand it anymore. I tried several times to view my opinions, but it was said that once you start to wear it, you can't take it off.
I tried to talk to my father once, and he was with me. He too doesnt agree that in the Quran, it was mentionned to cover the hair. My mother was angry and she did not speak to me for one week. But now Alhamdulilah, all's fine at my place. I am engaged, N my fiance threatened to leave me coz I wanted to remove it, but I did not let myself fall weak. I was too determined to remove it,.Well finally he agreed to let me be without it but on the condition that I have to wear it after nikah.
Secondly ever since I removed it, I got a lot of people saying it's wrong what I did and blabla..I really dont knw how to rufute them, coz according to them, I'm going against the Quran.
Anyway, just 1 more thing to highlight is that I hve got nothing against hijab, but I do not have any regrets since I removed it.
SorayaSo when your father said that he believed it wasn't in the quran... you choose your father's opinion? Did you quran 496 it?
You don't have regrets? What about after watching this video and viewing quran 971?
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9x5wY6hbX8
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You know any girls like this http//www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-502714/Why-Muslim-girl-born-virgin-wedding-night.html
That's pathetic, it just goes to show how ignorant some cultures are, virginity doesn't = she bled when she had sex. Many women don't bleed and it doesn't mean she's not a virgin. The fact that women feel they have to go to such extremities whether it be to hide the fact they had a past or whether it's to maintain stupid cultural practices is just lame and what does this have to do with HIJAB OR HEADSCARF!
You desire to be liberal rather than a believer a submitter a peace maker a muslim?
Your judgement disgusts me, i rather desire to live in peace. This has nothing to do with liberalism or submission. how does headscarf make you a submitter a peacemaker a muslim? please outline the punishment of such a deed? or what "sin" word is used to attribute to the lack of compliance to this "deed/act" of apparent believers, submitter, peacemaker.
many girls are pressured into the notion of hijab as an obligation, the minute they are children they are told they must represent islam when they know little or nothing about it. they place this identity this responsibility on women! when look how men treat women, even till this day many men even in western societies refuse to let their women get an education. how do you expect muslims to prosper, educate others, give a good example of a true believer/submitter if people don't even educate their own women and these are the very people representing islam..
prove it's an act of worship.
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That video is rubbish. women can go deaf in front of men, but you don't "see" deaf. it as as if you assert women have no attraction no sexual inclination to men. you obviously do not understand women.
thanks for misunderstanding me, let me fix my punctuation/grammar.
I just thought i'd add Remember, Quran isn't against cultural rites and as societies move on from generation to generation things change as part of social/cultural norms. Doesn't mean people need to adopt them just saying it's part of society and that's fine but obligating it and make it part of religion or obligation is when lines get crossed.
how about reading verse 4911 or verse 4913
It's when a rite/practice/culture introduces something and makes it obligatory and impedes on religious duty/law when it's not right.
why complicate things? Show me in the Quran about wearing headscarf. considering you're the wise male who knows how males think and apparently assume that all women are asexual and don't think about men in any form or way. women are so awesome they could never lose concentration in front of a man! go ahead show me where females need to be curtained away from men because men don't know how to use their brains around women.
That video is rubbish? Do you have an scientific rebuttal against it? I don't see women have sexual attraction to the average joe male. Of course quran 2430 is before quran 2431.
I obviously don't understand women? I'd have to ask you the same Do you understand women? Do you know what you are? Biologically speaking? Do you know the effect you may have?
"Quran isn't against cultural rites" - and according to what verse is this? Because if the cultural rights are adultery and fornication as it was when Valentines day was first invented... then that would have contradicted with the quran.
As for quran 4911 and 4913... yes... I note them, and am trying to apply them here. Particularly, I'm hoping that you would agree to that with me.
The people have made it obligratory for women to look a specific way... they push it upon you when you go to the beach as you do. They push it upon you in schools (heck pushing schools upon people, what nazi horror), they pushed it upon muslimahs when they ruled over them.What show you the quran... are you quran 37ing on me? Quran 2431 makes it clear to take your head cover over your chest. I'm sure Wakas made it clear to you about extension rather than retention.
Women think about me? Should I put a picture of myself... I'm regarded as a pretty male, and the thai kick boxing probably has helped with that... We can exchange each other's pictures, and wire one another up to a thingy machine to check how each of us react to the other... elektro We could also do as that video suggested. You give me some information, and I give you some information. And lets see who remembers what not? No? You to fat to give me your picture?
"women are so awesome" - are you boasting to me now?
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That's pathetic, it just goes to show how ignorant some cultures are, virginity doesn't = she bled when she had sex. Many women don't bleed and it doesn't mean she's not a virgin. The fact that women feel they have to go to such extremities whether it be to hide the fact they had a past or whether it's to maintain stupid cultural practices is just lame and what does this have to do with HIJAB OR HEADSCARF!
QURAN 243-9... what does it say? She declares herself that she was one of those "non-headscarf" wearing females... but of course did so when she went to her family... but had non-muslim friends when she went to schools and what not. You cannot hide your past... you have to propagate the quran 243-9 and other such.
It has everything to do with the identity of a muslim and quran 971. And the verses regarding jilbabs so that you may be recognized and not attacked or what not. (It's getting late here I'll let you search for that verse).
Your judgement disgusts me, i rather desire to live in peace. This has nothing to do with liberalism or submission. how does headscarf make you a submitter a peacemaker a muslim? please outline the punishment of such a deed? or what "sin" word is used to attribute to the lack of compliance to this "deed/act" of apparent believers, submitter, peacemaker.
many girls are pressured into the notion of hijab as an obligation, the minute they are children they are told they must represent islam when they know little or nothing about it. they place this identity this responsibility on women! when look how men treat women, even till this day many men even in western societies refuse to let their women get an education. how do you expect muslims to prosper, educate others, give a good example of a true believer/submitter if people don't even educate their own women and these are the very people representing islam..
prove it's an act of worship.
Live in peace, rest in peace, prepare for peace as far as I say. I don't know the punishment, but quran 2430 states that if you probably see me staring at you... as I was with one "lady" (who told me to be observant in observing how the work was done), then you are to tell me since I'm a believing man (and she did do that). Of course when I tried to tell her the same... I messed up and misquoted the next verse 2431, and said "You quoted the quran, theres a verse after it that continues... I don't want to really say.. oh you insist... It says you have to cover up" ezzzz wrong. The verse doesn't say that. It says what it says. Of course she scrunched up the post it note that I had given her a few minutes before regarding that video she was going to watch later on.
Of course when they represent islam, other muslims will help them.
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That video is subjective that?s my evidence. If you don?t accept that as evidence then you are being subjective and bias. Just because the verse is before it doesn?t mean the ruling is different or stronger.
I don?t understand everything about myself, there are many things I do not know. I know I have effects I don?t know all the effects I may have but everyone has influences, it?s not limited to females.
"Quran isn't against cultural rites" - and according to what verse is this? Because if the cultural rights are adultery and fornication as it was when Valentines day was first invented... then that would have contradicted with the quran.
I?m starting to think you have comprehension problems. Let me simplify it for you ?Anything that is against the Quran is not acceptable.? Clear now?
As for quran 4911 and 4913... yes... I note them, and am trying to apply them here. Particularly, I'm hoping that you would agree to that with me.
The people have made it obligratory for women to look a specific way... they push it upon you when you go to the beach as you do. They push it upon you in schools (heck pushing schools upon people, what nazi horror), they pushed it upon muslimahs when they ruled over them.People have made it obligatory for women to look a specific way, and what way is that exactly?
What show you the quran... are you quran 37ing on me? Quran 2431 makes it clear to take your head cover over your chest. I'm sure Wakas made it clear to you about extension rather than retention.
I?m not 37ing nothing on you. I?m asking you for proof considering you appear to know it. 2431 isn?t proof ?khimar? doesn?t = head covering. Wakas didn?t say anything about extension nor retention the context you?re thinking about is in regards to believers who are harmed.
Women think about me? Should I put a picture of myself... I'm regarded as a pretty male, and the thai kick boxing probably has helped with that... We can exchange each other's pictures, and wire one another up to a thingy machine to check how each of us react to the other... elektro We could also do as that video suggested. You give me some information, and I give you some information. And lets see who remembers what not? No? You to fat to give me your picture?
Ah so you want to see my picture, you could have asked. You or anyone can see me. Beauty is subjective something you fail to recognise. You may find me ugly/fat maybe even beautiful and frankly I don?t care because it?s all subjective and women might find you "pretty and attractive maybe even ugly" so what? that's normal.
"women are so awesome" - are you boasting to me now?
no I was trying to fault your logic by showing your weakness though unfortunately you couldn?t recognise it.
Women think about men too (physically/beauty wise), in case you didn?t know now you know.
BTW most reporters are ?above average looking? there is something called marketing.
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Reread quran 243-9 for your own sake brother, it has nothing to do with non-headscarf.
In relation to the girl who went out and did promiscuous acts, that?s between her and God. nothing YOU can do about it. at least she?s amending ways and assumingly would repent. See what happens when you strangle someone it just makes them rebel, you need some space for people to breath, not everyone can handle pressure. I'm not saying what she did was right but the actions her family wanted to take are not right either, wrong and wrong do not = right or justice.
In relation to the jilbab verse, the context as I was saying earlier is in relation to believers being harmed. Excuses, excuses, read from verse 3358-3360.
Dude people stare at ?ugly? people, people stare at all sorts of people be it the glamorous or not. We?ve been given a code of conduct some people are unmindful, you?re responsible for your OWN actions even if a naked man or women walked right in front of you be it the most amazing or the most ugliest person. It?s not she needs to cover for me to be normal and not stare. In actual fact I believe I look better with a headscarf. Would that mean I?m more of a fitnah? More non-muslims ?stare? at me, does that mean I?m creating more problems?
Other muslims help them? Look at the muslim community.. You?re so oblivious to reality.
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FAR
If you want to judge me, go right ahead. If you want to believe that I will punished for the way I dress, go right ahead. If you want to make inferences on what my college experience was, based on a biased news article, go right ahead. I don't care what you think. I only care what God thinks, and he knows my past, and whats in my heart.
I am a Muslim. I do not judge others unless it is a situation of abuse. I do not care if my fellow human being is called Abdullah or John, Mariam or Katie. If I see injustice, I will stand up against it. I support equal rights for those with alternate sexual orientations. I support women who wear the hijab. I support women who do not wear the hijab. I ask people what they want out of life, and support them as what is in my means, rather than lecture them. And it is these things that make me Muslim so much more than covering my head.
I wish you nothing but peace
Kukumber
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That video is subjective that?s my evidence. If you don?t accept that as evidence then you are being subjective and bias. Just because the verse is before it doesn?t mean the ruling is different or stronger.
I don?t understand everything about myself, there are many things I do not know. I know I have effects I don?t know all the effects I may have but everyone has influences, it?s not limited to females.
I?m starting to think you have comprehension problems. Let me simplify it for you ?Anything that is against the Quran is not acceptable.? Clear now?
People have made it obligatory for women to look a specific way, and what way is that exactly?I?m not 37ing nothing on you. I?m asking you for proof considering you appear to know it. 2431 isn?t proof ?khimar? doesn?t = head covering. Wakas didn?t say anything about extension nor retention the context you?re thinking about is in regards to believers who are harmed.
Ah so you want to see my picture, you could have asked. You or anyone can see me. Beauty is subjective something you fail to recognize. You may find me ugly/fat maybe even beautiful and frankly I don?t care because it?s all subjective and women might find you "pretty and attractive maybe even ugly" so what? that's normal.
no I was trying to fault your logic by showing your weakness though unfortunately you couldn?t recognise it.Women think about men too (physically/beauty wise), in case you didn?t know now you know.
BTW most reporters are ?above average looking? there is something called marketing.
Khimar does = head covering. But that's not the ultimatum... it's the part that refers to covering the "zeenat" that would make it clearer to you. What would that part imply? Well refer to this http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu_0C8O2hTo - (warning male viewer discretion advised - only for women).
?Anything that is against the Quran is not acceptable.? - you seem to have grammar problems (as you've already said).
As for believers harmed, are we males not harmed when we cannot even recall information when you women stupefy us with your pheromones?
No no, I've already looked a donkey pictures... I don't need to see yours. ignore
"o I was trying to fault your logic by showing your weakness though unfortunately you couldn?t recognise it." - well it's obvious that I didn't accept your faulting.
Most reporters... just wear make up, and when it comes to men... most if not all women have that effect. Especially in my case when I leave the office do I start to remember things I could have said, and do I truly feel awake.
Women think about men? Do they lose concentration thanks to the men around them?
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Peace all,
Head covering is mentioned in Bible only, not in Quran. Please quote any verse you think it describes it.
Peace
yes it is mentioned if one thinks that bosoms and chest means head.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/024.%20An%20Noor/24.30.gif
You the Messenger pronounce for the Believing Men that they should reduce their focused vision
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and they should guard their genitalia;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/024.%20An%20Noor/24.31.gif
And you the Messenger pronounce for the Believing Men that they should reduce their focused vision
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http//and they should guard their genitalia;
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http//And nor they should expose/make eminent/noticeable their attraction except that out of it which is naturally made evident/raised above the surface.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/024.%20An%20Noor/24.31c.gif
And for this they should draw barrier/distance with their veils/scarf/bosoms that obscures upon their chests.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/024.%20An%20Noor/024.%20B%20An%20Noor.htm
There is yet another part of woman's body that has attraction for opposite sex, or some women have that part quite prominent;
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you pronounce for your wives and your daughters and for the women of believers that they should draw downwards upon themselves partly from their shawls.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/033.%20Al%20Ahzaab/33.59a.gif
This is better suited that they are recognized whereby they will not be harassed/embarrassed .http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/033.%20Al%20Ahzaab/033.%20D%20Al%20Ahzaab.htm
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FAR
If you want to judge me, go right ahead. If you want to believe that I will punished for the way I dress, go right ahead. If you want to make inferences on what my college experience was, based on a biased news article, go right ahead. I don't care what you think. I only care what God thinks, and he knows my past, and whats in my heart.
I am a Muslim. I do not judge others unless it is a situation of abuse. I do not care if my fellow human being is called Abdullah or John, Mariam or Katie. If I see injustice, I will stand up against it. I support equal rights for those with alternate sexual orientations. I support women who wear the hijab. I support women who do not wear the hijab. I ask people what they want out of life, and support them as what is in my means, rather than lecture them. And it is these things that make me Muslim so much more than covering my head.
I wish you nothing but peace
Kukumber
Well if you're quran 5811 ordering me to judge you then I shall. No you'd be punished according to quran 4738. And if you believe inferences are the same thing as questions, then you are surely mistaken. Quoth the me "You know any girls like this"
"A scarf on the head is just as much fashion as spaghetti straps and mini skirts." - isn't that an insult against believing women? And how does it show support for any women? I could understand how a woman in a sheet vs a fashion-ho spaghetti strapper would be equal in the eyes of the god. But I don't see these two things being of "fashion". materialists.
So you shall stand up against the injustice done against men? Oh... wait, you didn't mention that.
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Peace all,
Head covering is mentioned in Bible only, not in Quran. Please quote any verse you think it describes it.
Peace
Quran 2431... - But not| - they (f) show | - their (f) decoration/their beauty/their ornament | - blessings | - what| - apparent/visible | - than her/than it/from her/from it | - And let them| - with their (f) head covers/with their covers | - are/over| - their bosoms
http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=%28243116%29
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Verse 5811
"O you who believe, if you are told to make room in the assemblies, then you shall make room. God will then make room for you. And if you are told to leave, then leave. God will raise those among you who believe, and those who acquire knowledge to higher ranks. God is fully aware of everything you do"
This verse is telling you to judge me....
Verse 4738
"Here you are being invited to spend in the cause of God, but some among you turn stingy. And whoever is stingy is only being stingy on himself. And God is the Rich, while you are the poor. And if you turn away, He will substitute another people instead of you, then they will not be like you"
This verse is clear proof to you that I will be punished for not wearing a headscarf.......
My only response to you is you are laughable.
And as for that biased news article you popped up, What is the chance of me knowing any girl that fits that description any more than you would. So why ask me that question in the first place. Your asking of a random question implies an inference.
Nowhere did I mention that I would only stand up for injustices against women. So that is another inference you made.
And many women wear the headscarf as they believe it to be a religious obligation. I support their right. And many women wear the headscarf as a fashion statement (as hard as that may be for you to believe). I support their right to do so as well. I do not care what anyone does unless it infringes on the rights of others.
A woman whether in a sheet or in spaghetti straps is a multi-faceted individual made up of so much more than the clothes she chooses to wear. I will let God judge these women.
I seem to get the feeling that you think that your rights are being infringed upon because women don't cover up and somehow tempt you. Well instead of expecting half the population of this world to adapt to your needs, why don't you use yourself as a solution. I am sure you can wear some sort of screen over your eyes, that lets you see clearly enough to get by, but distorts the fine features of a woman.
Peace as always
Kukumber.
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What? the ultimatum? That some girls flirt with their hair? That video was an exaggeration but obviously you like that kind of fallacy. People can flirt with text they don?t even need anything physical so your judgement in my opinion is wrong. Maybe I should create a video, block out everything except my hair and see how much of a reaction you get from such ?stimulating zina?.
Hair is an apparent beauty, maybe you weren?t aware of that.
?Anything that is against the Quran is not acceptable.? - you seem to have grammar problems (as you've already said).
Maybe I do have grammar problems though that?s beside the point, stop having a cheap blow at me and tell me what part of that you didn?t understand.
As for believers harmed, are we males not harmed when we cannot even recall information when you women stupefy us with your pheromones?
That?s your own personal flaw, it?s not subjective to all males. same to females, when they can?t recall an event.
No no, I've already looked a donkey pictures... I don't need to see yours.
I know it?s not a need though it appeared as a want, there is a difference. If you had some dignity you wouldn?t have asked if that was the case even if it be out of mockery furthermore have some respect, or is that beyond your capabilities?
well it's obvious that I didn't accept your faulting.
You might need to work on the psychology of how your brain works.
Most reporters... just wear make up, and when it comes to men... most if not all women have that effect. Especially in my case when I leave the office do I start to remember things I could have said, and do I truly feel awake.
lots of people can recall situations with better responses that?s because they have time to respond and reflect, not instantly react. ?being on the spot? is not always an easy case. Stop blaming women's appearance for your own incompetencies.
Women think about men? Do they lose concentration thanks to the men around them?
they could.
BTW FAR what about bald women? Does non hijab make it ok and yes such women do exist.
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But when it comes to the desert, a headscarf free individual... is an individual with heatstroke.
Yup, in the desert you would need to have your head covered (men & women alike) - due to the hot, hot sun. That's why it has been common for so long in the desert areas for people to be covering their heads.
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What? the ultimatum? That some girls flirt with their hair? That video was an exaggeration but obviously you like that kind of fallacy. People can flirt with text they don?t even need anything physical so your judgement in my opinion is wrong. Maybe I should create a video, block out everything except my hair and see how much of a reaction you get from such ?stimulating zina?.
Hair is an apparent beauty, maybe you weren?t aware of that.
Maybe I do have grammar problems though that?s beside the point, stop having a cheap blow at me and tell me what part of that you didn?t understand.That?s your own personal flaw, it?s not subjective to all males. same to females, when they can?t recall an event.
I know it?s not a need though it appeared as a want, there is a difference. If you had some dignity you wouldn?t have asked if that was the case even if it be out of mockery furthermore have some respect, or is that beyond your capabilities?
You might need to work on the psychology of how your brain works.lots of people can recall situations with better responses that?s because they have time to respond and reflect, not instantly react. ?being on the spot? is not always an easy case. Stop blaming women's appearance for your own incompetencies.
they could.
BTW FAR what about bald women? Does non hijab make it ok and yes such women do exist.
I didn't say "zina". I referred to in that verse.
"As for believers harmed, are we males not harmed when we cannot even recall information when you women stupefy us with your pheromones?"
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It is subject to all heterosexual males.
"If you had some dignity you wouldn?t have asked if that was the case even if it be out of mockery furthermore have some respect, or is that beyond your capabilities?"
Why ask, you've already assumed more than enough.
"You might need to work on the psychology of how your brain works." - Psychology is a failing subject, perhaps you meant neurology?
"lots of people can recall situations with better responses that?s because they have time to respond and reflect, not instantly react. ?being on the spot? is not always an easy case. Stop blaming women's appearance for your own incompetencies." - Are you being wicked upon me (Quarn 496) do I need to verify that one? My incompetences? You really hate men, don't you? But what of quran 971? Who cares if men are weak? Then I would say, who cares if women get treated without such rights if I were you.
You say women could lose memories from being around men? Let's at least see this no? But surely the quran makes it clear in 2431 that they should lower their gaze, as well as not showing any of their beauty. Why? Ever seen men turn in the direction of pretty women?
"BTW FAR what about bald women? Does non hijab make it ok and yes such women do exist." - quran 2431 and 3358-59 doesn't talk about hair, just beauty, and not being bothered.
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Verse 5811
"O you who believe, if you are told to make room in the assemblies, then you shall make room. God will then make room for you. And if you are told to leave, then leave. God will raise those among you who believe, and those who acquire knowledge to higher ranks. God is fully aware of everything you do"
This verse is telling you to judge me....
Verse 4738
"Here you are being invited to spend in the cause of God, but some among you turn stingy. And whoever is stingy is only being stingy on himself. And God is the Rich, while you are the poor. And if you turn away, He will substitute another people instead of you, then they will not be like you"
This verse is clear proof to you that I will be punished for not wearing a headscarf.......
My only response to you is you are laughable.
And as for that biased news article you popped up, What is the chance of me knowing any girl that fits that description any more than you would. So why ask me that question in the first place. Your asking of a random question implies an inference.
Nowhere did I mention that I would only stand up for injustices against women. So that is another inference you made.
And many women wear the headscarf as they believe it to be a religious obligation. I support their right. And many women wear the headscarf as a fashion statement (as hard as that may be for you to believe). I support their right to do so as well. I do not care what anyone does unless it infringes on the rights of others.
A woman whether in a sheet or in spaghetti straps is a multi-faceted individual made up of so much more than the clothes she chooses to wear. I will let God judge these women.
I seem to get the feeling that you think that your rights are being infringed upon because women don't cover up and somehow tempt you. Well instead of expecting half the population of this world to adapt to your needs, why don't you use yourself as a solution. I am sure you can wear some sort of screen over your eyes, that lets you see clearly enough to get by, but distorts the fine features of a woman.
Peace as always
Kukumber.
Laughable? Quran 8329-36
No the first verse is about me being a muslim, and the definition of what a muslim does. A muslim is generally obedient. The second verse I mentioned was about people not giving charity in the forms that it is money, support, information, a proper environment etc etc.
A headscarf is not what I'm talking about... so I'll ignore you using the term headscarf, and I'll assume you mean hijab, as in cover, screen... as in sheets, as in jilbabs, as in looking like a muslim as according to what people would assume is a muslim.
Well you may let the god judge those women... but people are naturally inclined to judge "their people".
"I seem to get the feeling that you think that your rights are being infringed upon because women don't cover up and somehow tempt you." - A hell yes, and when I make a suggestion... I get lambasted and told to shut up, and how dare I say such a thing.
"I am sure you can wear some sort of screen over your eyes, that lets you see clearly enough to get by, but distorts the fine features of a woman." - so I'm supposed to decline the use of that which the god gave me? I do, it's according to quran 2430. But how do I do that when quran 2235 states what it states? Of course eyes are not the only thing that needs to be stopped, because pheromones are there. And you would demand that, when many men would have no issue but rather would demand that you have no covering around your head... but of course, did women before they had votes realize they were being deprived of something? Because those men are. And rather than helping humanity, you just claim to say that you wish to help women and women in men's bodies. But you don't desire to help men or even men in women's bodies?
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Yup, in the desert you would need to have your head covered (men & women alike) - due to the hot, hot sun. That's why it has been common for so long in the desert areas for people to be covering their heads.
But somewhere where it's hot and very humid, a headscarf and long clothing would make you super sweaty & uncomfortable.In a humid place, it'd be too hot to perspire. But even I can assume that the fires of hell are more so than the humidity issue of wherever you may wish to perspire.
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It is formidable to see somebody fight so hard in order to uphold his right to the privilege of being an obssessed ... and to have everybody else behave as if his obssessions were facts. Once duly impressed by that weird sight, is it really worth it to carry on chatting the same script over and over?
Salaam