Ghusl?

david_rs_aitken

Peace to you Mazhar,

I still don't see where you've presented any evidence that taghtasilu means bathe, rather than simply wash. Is there not a fair chance that the basic meaning (wash) was expanded by the influence of the people of previous books (ahl al-kitab)?

Leviticus 1516
Leviticus 1516 When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

When the people of previous books translate them into Arabic, they render the above passage as - "wash all his body with water." They also prescribe full body washing for women after menstruation and childbirth.

Ultimately, this discussion goes back to how we look at the reading and all its terms. Does the simple term connection (salah) mean put your hands beside your face, say allah akbar, recite specific Arabic utterances, bow by rehearsal, prostrate by rehearsal, and finish by wishing peace to multiple entities (al-salam alaykum x2)? Does the simple term betterment (zakah) mean give away no less than 1/40th of your cash? Does the simple term wash actually mean bathe?

I think not.

Peace,

-David

Wakas

peace Mazhar, all,

As above, I do not see how you proved anything.

peace David,

I suppose it was a miraculous spring to heal Job as well, though that is a different matter.

You may be interested in the following analysis of that event, numbered 14
http//www.quran434.com/test.htm

It was initially discussed here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598953.0

Mazhar

If it means washing local prt genitalia, then what was the need to exempt someone? If other away from the words of the book something is to be taken then it means that the exempted man even does not need to clean his genitalia.

Wakas

For sake of clarity, I am of the view it is as the literal Arabic is, which is "wash/purify yourselves", which can mean a specific part or the whole body, i.e. it depends on situation.

Mazhar

If the condition after intercourse is no different and bath is not required, then, we are presuming that the next command is superfluous or redundant.

This is imperative verb; Form V, reflexive causitive; to transform oneself in the state of purity.

Wakas

peace Mazhar, sorry I still dont understand your point. Can you clarify further?

Mazhar

Salam Wakas,

Imperative verb, second person, masculine, plural. This is general instruction for every believer that when one stands for Assalat he has to wash such and such part.....

This commands relates only to specific persons .They are asked to transform themselves from state of to athar state.

This is imperative verb; Form V, reflexive causitive; to transform oneself from one state into the state reflected by the verb.

Wakas

peace,

Is your view mainly based on the grammar?

Mazhar

peace,

Is your view mainly based on the grammar?

No, simple and straight meanings of the words of the Verse.

Wakas

I still dont understand. You talked about a certain command being redundant/superfluous, which is a point I can understand, but I did not understand why you then talked about grammar when I asked you to clarify.

Is your view based on your opinion or something solid in logic or the actual Arabic? If so, please clarify what exactly.