Some more challenge for Arab linguists
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Salaam,
Lesson in English.
Definition of a noun A word used as the designation or appellation of a creature
or thing, existing in fact or in thought; a substantive.
To put it simply a noun is a name, like 'that's a chair', chair, would be a name so a noun.
Definition of a verb A word which affirms or predicates something of
some person or thing; a part of speech expressing being,
action, or the suffering of action.
To put it simply a verb is a descriptive word, like 'I smashed the chair', smashed would be an action so a verb.
So 'reason' within your example you give, is an adjective.
Definition of an adjective A word used with a noun, or substantive, to
express a quality of the thing named, or something
attributed to it, or to limit or define it, or to specify
or describe a thing, as distinct from something else.
Thus, in phrase, "a wise ruler," wise is the adjective,
expressing a property of ruler.
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Salaam Quickduck,
you demonstrate within you post an absolute failure to grasp the very basics of the English language, you apply nouns, and verbs as interchangeable when you are in fact wrong on both counts, when the word 'reason' is an adjective, then you ask me what it has to do with the Arabic you have explained with gibberish.
If you do not understand English at even a very basic level, what makes you think you have the ability to present yourself as an expert in explaining Arabic to English?
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Salaam Quickduck,
you demonstrate within you post an absolute failure to grasp the very basics of the English language, you apply nouns, and verbs as interchangeable when you are in fact wrong on both counts, when the word 'reason' is an adjective, then you ask me what it has to do with the Arabic you have explained with gibberish.
If you do not understand English at even a very basic level, what makes you think you have the ability to present yourself as an expert in explaining Arabic to English?
where did you see me presenting myself as an expert in explaining Arabic to English ?
Let me re-quote myself
is composed of two parts (wich means father) and a "grammatical "
the second word (lahab ) means "flame".
So "Abi lahab" means literarly father of the flame.Let me explain
I bet everyone here knows the infamous abou hurayra , translated as ''father of a little cat'' . it has the same form as "abou lahab" . (BTW, we should not translate them because they are kind of compound names/nicknames used by the arabs to show repect or to differenciate between people with the same first name or even for fun).
Now this form of nicknaming may have 3 grammatical "states"
1- Marfoo3 , ie .when standalone or in the beginning of the sentence.
(Abou lahab .... Abou hurayra
2- Mansoob , When used as complement of a verb (ex I killed Abaa lahab .... I hate Abaa hurayra)3- Majroor , after some grammatical particles. (i dont agree with Abii lahab.... i will start by Abii hurayra)
so it is a noun , not a verb )
Hope this helps ..
Salam
P.S my english is not as rich as my arabic, so excuse me if i didn't use the correct words to express my answer.
you see ? are the words in red from someone pretending to by any expert in translating arabic to english ? whatever
We are discussing an ARABIC word (ي in an ARABIC Quran. we have to do it in english only because this forum is english.
I don't need any translation or subtitles when reading the Quran, because i read it in Arabic. muscle
Moreover, do you know the "five names rule" in arabic grammar ??
check this out
http//ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%A9For non-arabic speakers This rule talks about five names/words being as un exception to grammatical rules.
While every name/word has to be Marfoo3 with dhomma, Mansoob with fatha and majroor with kesra , those 5 names ( و are
1- marfoo3 with waw
2-Mansoob with alif
3-Majroor with yaaNow, is that helping you understand the ''Abii lahab" in 1111 ??
If not, i don't feel myself able to explain anymore !
Salam
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Quickduck, weldone, but you have given link which is in Arabic.
Here it is in English
The Six Nounshttp//arabic.tripod.com/SixNouns.htm
Thank you Mazhar, i couldnt find it in english, you did !
BTW, it is very instructive. Now i know what are the english names for "marfoo3" = nominative, "mansoob" = accusative and "majroor" = genitive.
Salam
P.S because the 5th noun (ن is too rarely used, the six nouns are much known as "the five nouns"
But, the three Mousqueteers were 4 !!! ) -
Dear all, my contention about the word in question in verse 1111; is that, it is neither a verb nor a noun. The ones who content it to be noun are presenting twisted rules of established Arabic grammar just to make it fit as a noun in the verse. Which, I have shown clearly in discussion above. Also shown the break down into two separate words, of this so called word; based on simple Arabic grammar rules above. Which not body has said to be not according to the rules. Based on rules discussed the translation is presented as well. Please read and re-read this translation. Does it not appear to elevate that status of Rabb and message, at much higher level? Please contrast this understanding with traditional one. In traditional understanding, it appears that Rabb is acting just like any other human, cursing and threatening others, when not in agreement. Is this how, we know or want to know our Rabb?
Peace.
Badar
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Dear all, my contention about the word in question in verse 1111; is that, it is neither a verb nor a noun.
Badaryes,it is neither a verb nor a noun.
it is composed of Three initals (أ and (ب and (ي .i will count the number of occurences in that chapter of every initial and with some luck , maybe they will add up to 19 divisible.
rotflsalam
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Dear quickduck, I greatly appreciate your willing to participate in this discussion. Although we may have different takes on things, but eventually open discussions may help mutually.
My next query to all is this, in Arabic any noun used has to be appropriated from four grammatical points. In order for it be properly used in a sentence. One of these points is sex of the noun. The sex of a noun in Arabic can be determined in three ways.
- A natural sex, for instance natural pairs. Like mother and father. What they call as .
- By listening to people of language as what they consider as male or female.
- Finally all nouns sex in Arabic, is considered as male unless there are markers present to make and identify nouns as females. These markers are , and .
For instance, word means green. However, to make fit a female sense it will be used as .
It would be hard to English only understanding people, to understand the difference rendered by these markers to the meanings of respective words. But there are Urdu speaking people on this forum as well. For them,
In Urdu we say , using female of green. whereas we also say (I am using an arabic type writer, hence can not type gaaf, therefore typed it with a kaf). The Arabic is equivalent of first sense of Green in Urdu, and second
My question based on the above is, that it clearly proves that adding these makers do not change, the root meanings of the said word. These only change these markers bring is, of sex from male to female noun, without altering core root meanings conveyed by "alphabetic/consonant root". Is this a correct understanding?
Peace
Badar
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It seems like, I have asked a very difficult question again.
Peace,
Badar
yes
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For instance, word means green. However, to make fit a female sense it will be used as .
.......First of all, let me remind you that the rule for sex nouns in arabic (for nouns that have the weight Af3al)
Green (male) =
Green (female) =
Green (plural) =.
Quran 7621Salam
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quickduck, greatly appreciate your response. I would be happy to discuss grammatical issues, you are raising about the word under discussion. But let me ask, do you agree with my conclusion about female makers as not a part of roots of words? In addition, not imparting or changing actual meanings of the roots, besides just changing sex of the meaning of root word.
Peace,
Badar
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Dear Mazhar, any one who loves his/her Rabb and cares about, what he had said and is now concealed from masses.
Badar
Nothing is concealed from masses. Same words are before us which were listened and read to people 1400 years back but there were people who responded
And they said "Our hearts are in veil from that towards which you invite us and in our ears is heaviness,
and between us and between you is a barrier, therefore, you act as you like, indeed we are acting the way we like"
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Very disappointing again. People have no answers for very basic questions. I do not know, how one can look into mirror have clear conscious? When claiming to understand the message. Acting according to message would be really a stretch under such circumstances.
Peace,
Badar