FRIDAY PRAYER
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peace,
No need to understand immediately, take your time. I will quote the part I mean
My second concern is salaatul jum'a.
You translated 629 as
O you who believe, when the oath of allegiance is called to at time of public gathering, then you shall hasten towards the remembrance of God, and cease all selling. This is better for you, if you only knew.
You left out the definate article AL which is written in the original Arabic text...
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo itha noodiya lilssalati min yawmi ALjumuAAati faisAAaw ila thikri Allahi watharoo albayAAa thalikum khayrun lakum in kuntum taAAlamoona
Therefor, the correct translation should be
O you who believe, when the oath of allegiance is called to at THE time of public gathering, then you shall hasten towards the remembrance of God, and cease all selling. This is better for you, if you only knew.
In Arabic, we all know that the definate article al speaks of something specific as opposed to something general. It is more on the lines of a one of a kind type scenario. As much work and effort will have to be put into it, we have to research and determine what this specific day is and I am certain that the answer is in the Quran.
You have come to the conclusion that this can be any day of public gathering which I think the Arabic of the quran makes that assessment incorrect.
Feel free to re-read it several times and ponder.
I forgot to say, the time of gathering referred to, seems to be during al-hajj (the symposium/conference), i.e. not a Friday. That is just my view.
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peace,
No need to understand immediately, take your time. I will quote the part I mean
Feel free to re-read it several times and ponder.
I forgot to say, the time of gathering referred to, seems to be during al-hajj (the symposium/conference), i.e. not a Friday. That is just my view.
She's telling the truth, even I found what you referenced to be a bit confusing.
The term is yawmialjumuAAati, day of the gathering. Friday. We know what that is. How can it be "the time/day/period/etc" when it says and then so that's "the" as in definitive of the root Jim Mim Ayn - "To collect or gather, bring together, to contract, assemble or congregate, unite or connect or form a connection, bring into a state of union, reconcile or conciliate, put on a thing , to compose/arrange/settle, to pray in congregation, determine/resolve/decide upon a thing, agree or unite in opinion, prepare or make a thing ready, dry up a thing, conspire or league with another, coexist with one, to be compact/compressed/contracted, exert one's energy, to compromise or comprehend or contain, enter or go into, to meet or be in company with another."
Your translation cannot be correct.
But of course, I don't see how that has to do with with women.
Let's look at the gender grammar of the terms "allatheena amanoo" -
Masculine... http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=%286292%29 and ...
third person masculine plural.. http//corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=%286293%29
Also the term "and leave" wadhar - that's also masculine second person plural.
Without the prophet's understanding, it's going to be complicated to understand whether you have to or don't. But from the quran, it seems it's mostly focused upon the males.
"I mean, I have just started to try to stop following the Sunni ways from two days ago. I'm sorry. I really don't understand your reply to that link."
You wish to ignore the prophet? Then of course.
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Hi & salam
- is it compulsory for women to attend and pray the friday's prayers?
My personal view is that it is compulsory for both men and women, since the verse in question speaks to the believers in general and does not refer to men only.
I researched this some time ago because it always confused me that, according to the mainstream view, Friday prayer is only compulsory for men.
I have not found any explanation that made sense to me. Those who claim that it's only obligatory for men do not quote any verses (or even ahadeeth) to support their point of view. The prohibition rather seems to rely on two arguments
a) that it could cause fitnah. (Which I do not count as an argument because I don't believe in gender segregation at all.)
b) that it would be too much of a burden for women to attend Friday prayers because they have to take care of children, household etc.
That only makes sense if you believe that it's the women's duty alone to take care of those things. I think it's nonsense because there is nothing in the Qur'an that tells us women are the only ones responsible for children and household tasks. And I don't see why a couple shouldn't be able to find a solution that allows both of them to attend the Friday prayers.
I also believe that praying or meditating in a group is beneficial to people in various ways, it's just another sort of energy, so to speak. And it wouldn't be fair to exclude women from that based on their gender.
Sadly, I know of many mosques which don't even allow women in for Friday prayers. And in Egypt, where I live most of the time, many women are actually glad they don't have to go because they are indeed solely responsible for handling children and the household, so it's one obligation less for them.
Here is a typical fatwa with the typically cited reasons. Needless to say, I don't agree with it at all.
Friday Prayer for Women Obligatory?
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Hi & salam
My personal view is that it is compulsory for both men and women, since the verse in question speaks to the believers in general and does not refer to men only.
I researched this some time ago because it always confused me that, according to the mainstream view, Friday prayer is only compulsory for men.
I have not found any explanation that made sense to me. Those who claim that it's only obligatory for men do not quote any verses (or even ahadeeth) to support their point of view. The prohibition rather seems to rely on two arguments
a) that it could cause fitnah. (Which I do not count as an argument because I don't believe in gender segregation at all.)
b) that it would be too much of a burden for women to attend Friday prayers because they have to take care of children, household etc.
That only makes sense if you believe that it's the women's duty alone to take care of those things. I think it's nonsense because there is nothing in the Qur'an that tells us women are the only ones responsible for children and household tasks. And I don't see why a couple shouldn't be able to find a solution that allows both of them to attend the Friday prayers.
I also believe that praying or meditating in a group is beneficial to people in various ways, it's just another sort of energy, so to speak. And it wouldn't be fair to exclude women from that based on their gender.
Sadly, I know of many mosques which don't even allow women in for Friday prayers. And in Egypt, where I live most of the time, many women are actually glad they don't have to go because they are indeed solely responsible for handling children and the household, so it's one obligation less for them.
Here is a typical fatwa with the typically cited reasons. Needless to say, I don't agree with it at all.
Friday Prayer for Women Obligatory?
You are still lucky that you are allowed in hajj. police
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Peace Noor Liza,
I dont see how you can be confused, let's say you think there is a special friday prayer, and you say you take Quran as your guide, then there is no doubt that nowhere in Quran does it prohibit women from this special friday prayer you refer to. If there was, then Traditionalists would surely cite it!
So, feel free to attend.
If on the other hand, your confusion is because it is a struggle to find any Quranic evidence for salat=prayer, let alone a special friday prayer, and guidance on it, then yes you will be confused. And the reason for this is extremely simple, what you are looking for simply does not exist in The Quran. IF I am right, then this is not Quran's problem for not being clear, this is your problem, which you will have to get over. IF I am right of course.
In any case, take your time, read, reflect, see what happens.
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Peace Noor Liza,
I dont see how you can be confused, let's say you think there is a special friday prayer, and you say you take Quran as your guide, then there is no doubt that nowhere in Quran does it prohibit women from this special friday prayer you refer to. If there was, then Traditionalists would surely cite it!
So, feel free to attend.
If on the other hand, your confusion is because it is a struggle to find any Quranic evidence for salat=prayer, let alone a special friday prayer, and guidance on it, then yes you will be confused. And the reason for this is extremely simple, what you are looking for simply does not exist in The Quran. IF I am right, then this is not Quran's problem for not being clear, this is your problem, which you will have to get over. IF I am right of course.
In any case, take your time, read, reflect, see what happens.
Well she of course knows it's her problem, she's telling us that she has a problem.
Hi,
I really hope someone can provide an explanation and definite answer to this. Thanks for all the replies, but I'm still very confused. And I've already missed last friday's prayers if I actually have to perform it.
All I can say is that for now... have a look through the terms that refer to "day of gathering" (which we call "friday", in the quran. And just ask the god for guidance. Simple as that. Just a simple prayer. For your guidance. "the god guide me".
"The god prevent me from becoming confused"
day/time/period
(of)
the gatheringNow put
and
's translations one after the other.
So first and then so it's as first second
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Dear Sister
What Masjid do you attend or shall I say what country do you live in? Every Masjid I have ever prayed the Juma (Friday) congregational prayer in the UAE, Europe, Canada or the USA, women have been attending regularly.
As a matter of fact, my wife and eldest daughter try never to miss the Friday Prayer.
Peace
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I think we As Muslims should try our best to seize any valuable moment/day we possibly can to meet with each other for Motivation, Planning, and reminders so that we can successfully and strategically meet our goals of doing good works togeather.
Most Muslims (traditional and not) have generally chosen FRIDAY for this day of Gathering.
I say We should me Friday or whenever conveniently-strategically possible.Both Male and Female Muslims. The message and Goal is Important for All.
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I hear all of this and to an extent I agree. But God does not make things a burden for us. For many, Friday prayers at sundown are a hardship because of work. Additionally, I would not be inclined to go to a Masjid where its people follow that which is shirk. Wherever there is a congregation of 2-3 or more, that should suffice. But if this is not possible, one should observe the prayers if one cannot congregate with others.
