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The Muslim Jesus Dead or alive?
Gabriel Said Reynolds
Notre Dame University

Abstract

According to most classical Muslim commentators the Quran teaches that Jesus did not die. On the day of the crucifixion another person ? whether his disciple or his betrayer ? was miraculously transformed and assumed the appearance of Jesus. He was taken away, crucified, and killed, while Jesus was assumed body and soul into heaven. Most critical scholars accept that this is indeed the Quran's teaching, even if the Quran states explicitly only that the Jews did not kill Jesus. In the present paper I contend that the Quran rather accepts that Jesus died, and indeed alludes to his role as a witness against his murderers in the apocalypse. The paper begins with an analysis of the Quran's references to the death of Jesus, continues with a description of classical Muslim exegesis of those references, and concludes with a presentation of the Quran's conversation with Jewish and Christian tradition on the matter of Jesus' death.

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He was neither murdered, and nor uplifted to the Skies. He was made to migrate alongwith Muslims to this place of safe abode.

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And We gave both two of them a safe and protected abode towards an elevated/mountainous place; a place of long safe stay and verdurous.

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He was neither murdered, and nor uplifted to the Skies. He was made to migrate alongwith Muslims to this place of safe abode.

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And We gave both two of them a safe and protected abode towards an elevated/mountainous place; a place of long safe stay and verdurous.

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Why do you think this verse is speaking about Isa after his missed out crucifixion ?

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Why do you think this verse is speaking about Isa after his missed out crucifixion ?

Had you opened the link to read the context, you may not have asked this. Here is first part of the verse
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And We made the son of Maryam and his mother respectively an unprecedented demonstrative sign for the humanity .

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Had you opened the link to read the context, you may not have asked this. Here is first part of the verse
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And We made the son of Maryam and his mother respectively an unprecedented demonstrative sign for the humanity .

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It could be during the birth of Isa.

19.24 . Then ( one ) cried unto her from below her , saying Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee

23.50 . And We made the son of Mary and his mother a portent , and We gave them refuge on a height , a place of flocks and water springs

and talk about the same idea !

Then, when Mary went to a safe place

19.22 . And she , conceived him , and she withdrew with him to a place .

23.50 . and We gave them refuge on a height

Quran doesn't speak differently of Isa when he was still in his mother's womb, when he was born and when he was an adult. He is the same Isa son of his mother !

In 1922, the use of 'hu' is a clear evidence that in Islam a child in his mother's womb is already somebody alive like me, you or another.

See in 2350 the use of .

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It could be during the birth of Isa.

and talk about the same idea !

Then, when Mary went to a safe place

Quran doesn't speak differently of Isa when he was still in his mother's womb, when he was born and when he was an adult. He is the same Isa son of his mother !

In 1922, the use of 'hu' is a clear evidence that in Islam a child in his mother's womb is already somebody alive like me, you or another.

See in 2350 the use of .

Again it seems you did not see the link. His birth place is this
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Thereafter/for reason of matured pregnancy the pains of childbirth drove her towards the trunk of one female date-palm tree.

Tree of date-palm is in desert climate nor on mountains.

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your Sustainer Lord has made water-stream beneath you

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Again it seems you did not see the link. His birth place is this
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Thereafter/for reason of matured pregnancy the pains of childbirth drove her towards the trunk of one female date-palm tree.

Tree of date-palm is in desert climate nor on mountains.

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your Sustainer Lord has made water-stream beneath you

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Agree with you on the differences.

But the verse doesn't say if it's after his crucifixion or during his birth or during his lifetime.

Now explain why do you think it's after his crucifixion and not during his birth or his lifetime ?

Title
A Verse about the Refuge of Mariam and Jesus (pbuh) ? Al-Mu?minoon 23 50

Question/Comments

I read a little about this particular refuge of Marry & Jesus (PBUH) in a detail written in Quran (Translated by Mulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi) that the reason of this refuge was that "in the childhood of Jesus (PBUH) there was a king HERDOOS who wanted to kill Jesus (pbuh) because a Prediction Monger predicted the SARDARI (Kingship) of Jesus. And with the revelation from God Mary (PBUH) took refuge in the country Eygpt, and came back to SYRIA after the death of that king (Herdoos).

You explained that it was the place where Mariam (pbuh) gave birth to Jesus (pbuh).

How true is the above story in your opinion? Is there any historical evidence of such story?

Thanks

Sarosh
Pakistan

Answer

Because the Qur'an has not specified the location or the precise circumstances under which Jesus (pbuh) and Mary were give the referred refuge, therefore, there can be a difference of opinion in determining the location as well as the circumstances of the referred refuge.

The story referred to by the scholar is based on the information given by the Gospel of Matthew, in chapter 2, verse 13.

Regards,

Moiz Amjad
July 19, 2002

Within the Holy Quran there are many verses discussing Jesus, and often Mary also, but these either deal with the Nativity or his Palestinian ministry, or contain no definite geographical and temporal context. A possible exception, however, is Surah 2350, a translation of which reads

And We made the son of Marium and his mother a sign, and We gave them a shelter on a lofty ground having meadows and springs.
Since Israel is not noted for having lofty ground with meadows and springs, this verse suggests a different location, and if shelter was needed, it indicates they were traveling.

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http//Agree with you on the differences.

But the verse doesn't say if it's after his crucifixion or during his birth or during his lifetime.

Pl focus attention on the circled and underlined words, they loudly announce that it was to save them from the life threat
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And We gave both two of them a safe and protected abode towards an elevated/mountainous place; a place of long safe stay and verdurous.

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when Allah said; "O Easa, I will segregate/isolate you and I will raise you towards Me and I will rid you from the impurity/company of those who have refused to accept ;

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