How can you refute this?
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Peace,
Did science killed the scriptures? Apparently looks so.
Perhaps have a look into physics see that the world is not what it appears to be...
http//www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
Time Bandits
http//www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/articles/050228crat_atlarge?050228crat_atlarge?To those of us who believe in physics, this separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, if a stubborn one.? -- Einstein
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Hello folks..
Q.21 30 Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, before we clove them asunder?
The above could be describing the Saturn Theory. It is said that the earth was revolving around Saturn which is a dim star (in modern cosmology, they are given the name ?failed star?). Later saturn and earth got into the sun?s orbit.?In modern cosmology, most of the space is vacuum ?...
It has been disputed by electrical engineers and like minded who got into cosmology. They maintain the universe is filled with plasma and electricity.Page 4, of the below link kind of explains the earth and sun may orbit each other due to a wobble. Maybe, just maybe of this, orbits were not detailed?
http//www.howeverythingworks.org/supplements/the_earth_moon_and_sun.pdfOf course time will reveal more via dedicated and honest ?observation, experiment and model? kinda scientists . Hopefully mathematicians with their theoretical escapades come clean..
I am not certainly into the flat earth thingy? the shadow on the moon caused by earth during phases-do we need more than that?? I believe the authors of the quran got allegorical verses and perspectives all mixed up with reality?(al-haqq).
Hope to hear more ??
http//www.velikovsky.info/Saturn_Theory
http//www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm
http//www.electric-cosmos.org/Peace and out
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Yes, right, the addressee of Qur'aan are on the Earth, and the majority of them perceives and calls it Earth not Kokab; it is distinct from all planets, Qur'aan is precise and specific, being Al Haqqo.
Agreed, so could it be that the Quran is not talking about reality but perspective so it is describing everything from a person perspective?
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Agreed, so could it be that the Quran is not talking about reality but perspective so it is describing everything from a person perspective?
Al Haq means a proven and established physical fact, not effected in time and space; absolute truth and reality. The isolated statements of Grand Qur'aan are called Aa'ya'at singular Ayat. This word refers to some thing tangible. And when the Creator, who fully knows about his creation, narrates it verbally, it is as tangible as the thing itself.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.026e.gif
consequently, those who have believed they know that it is the fact from their Sustainer Lord;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.01.A.htm
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Al Haq means a proven and established physical fact, not effected in time and space; absolute truth and reality. The isolated statements of Grand Qur'aan are called Aa'ya'at singular Ayat. This word refers to some thing tangible. And when the Creator, who fully knows about his creation, narrates it verbally, it is as tangible as the thing itself.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/temp%2002%20%202.026e.gif
consequently, those who have believed they know that it is the fact from their Sustainer Lord;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.01.A.htm
This means that the Hubble telescope is looking at the internal structure of a near crystal dome!!??
How did the listerners of Quran preceived it? It was a universal belief back then that the sky is a solid dome. It is natural. Except for a Chinese school of thought in 200AD!!! 400 years before the Quran was revealed! and the Quran still insists that the Sky is a BUILT RAISED dome that can be SPLIT that can be OPENED. This is not metaphorical because the awesomeness of J-Day is based on the opening of the Sky. In reality, God will only need to enter the atmophere. The universe as we see it is a big gigantic waste of space. All modern cosmology must be false for the Quran to be true. This is also include the Bible, the Rig Veda, Sumerian texts, Enuma Elish etc.
Peace.
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Grand Qur'aan called it was gaseous.
True. Then what happened to the smoke? Did it become the atmosphere or the whole universe? Note that the stars are a decoration for the sky.
Also note that the clouds are between the Sky and the Earth. So the Sky cannot be the atmosphere or the air. The birds fly in the air of the sky but not in the sky itself. So what is the sky?
Being true in faith to Allah, and never assigning partners to Him if anyone assigns partners to Allah, is as if he had fallen from heaven and been snatched up by birds, or the wind had swooped (like a bird on its prey) and thrown him into a far-distant place.
The wind and the birds are below the Sky!
"And we touched the heaven, but found it full of powerful guards and projectiles."
And at the Sky, how it is raised high?
On the Day when We roll up the heavens like the scroll of a scripture is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.
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Grand Qur'aan nowhere suggests and supports the so called Bing Bang theory. The theory is just a theory, presumptive in nature, while Qur'aan narrates only the established fact. On the contrary Qur'aan tells that the end of Universe will certinly by with a big bang. Poverty of knowledge however makes some people behave like jokers.
Ah so, doing a great efforts to interpret some verses in Qur'an in your point of view is a joke !!! well let me remind you that your aims not to understand their suggestions In other words you want to stabe what cames in Quran .
Creation of Universe-Quran negates Bing Bang theory.
THE BIG BANG
The Koran gives an accurate visual description of the Big Bang theory of the creation of the universe. In the 21st chapter, verse 30 (2130), the Koran states
"Do not the rejecters see that the heavens and earth were a unit joined together then we split them apart (2130)."
This is exactly how the 'rejecter' scientists envision the creation of the universe, from one singularity, which then exploded, termed the 'big bang'. Thus the Koran told us about the "common origin" of everything in the universe much before scientists described it in the 20th century. How do we explain this information in the Koran if it is not what it claims to be, the words of an all-knowing ?
Professor Alfred Kroner, chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenburg University, Mainz, Germany stated about this verse in the Koran
"Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here.(Rehaili 1995)"Again it's description and some intelligent of the interpreter to pointed out some facts about the big bang and from there scientistss can enlarge their ideas .
the source http//www.bigissueground.com/atheistground/asadi-koranscience.shtml
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/07.%20Book-7%20Aafaq%20ki%20Haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century/07.%20Aafaq%20ki%20haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century.htm
well, about trying to translate the words , the arabic words into english words know first that you take the meaning away because arabic language is a lnaguage of meanings.
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True. Then what happened to the smoke?
The Koran mentions that the universe originated, at a stage, from a "gaseous material." (Koran 4111). It uses the Arabic word Dukhan, which stands for smoke. A perfect analogy for gas and particles in suspension and the gasses being hot.
Scientists have only very recently confirmed that the universe did indeed originate from a gaseous mass composed of hydrogen and helium, a big mass of hot gasses, a mass over 300,000 times that of the earth. That mass then fragmented to form galaxies. Muhammad, who had no schooling of any kind and was illiterate before the revelation of the Koran, could not have possibly known this.
Did it become the atmosphere or the whole universe? Note that the stars are a decoration for the sky.
the Stars are not just a decoration, people used the stars to guide them and some stars are the army of God in the first sky. The Koran mentions the 'death of stars' (Koran 777-. Astronomers including Dr. Patterson of Southwest Missouri State are surprised at finding this information in the Koran. They know that at the time of Muhammad, people believed that once a thing was formed, it was permanent. The Koran is very accurate when it mentions dying stars. Our own sun is a dying star.
Also note that the clouds are between the Sky and the Earth. So the Sky cannot be the atmosphere or the air. The birds fly in the air of the sky but not in the sky itself. So what is the sky?
what you see as a blue sky is not the sky , they are just some layers and they get the blue clor from the ocean which is also get the color from the ligh of the sun . the light expands and get broken into colors . the sky is the darkness in the univers ..what we called it universe is the first sky .
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"Do not the rejecters see that the heavens and earth were a unit joined together then we split them apart (2130)."
This is exactly how the 'rejecter' scientists envision the creation of the universe, from one singularity, which then exploded, termed the 'big bang'.
And before they were joined together, a relationship was created, they both had already been made to exist
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/07.%20Book-7%20Aafaq%20ki%20Haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century/002.%20Sky/02.%20b%2041.11.gif
Thereafter lapse of time/having created the Earth and its wherewithal, He attended/directed towards the Sky, and it was existing as gaseous.
Therefore it was ordained/said for the Sky and for the Earth , "you both develop relationship either of attraction or repulsion ". They both said, "We agree to develop relationship to each other in the manner of those who develop relationship of love/affection/fraternity/attraction which creates the desire to come closer to each other".Where is "bang"/"exploded" in it? The fact is contrary to it,
The relationship was developed in the manner of http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/Individual%20words/Temp%20Taeena%20{attraction}.gif those things/people who revert/move happily with their own desire and not under any compulsion. When two things come closer to each other happily and with the desire and not compulsion this shows nothing but mutual attraction. And when things come closer to each other under the desire of meeting/joining with each other there is never a possibility of "Bang" {sudden loud noise} what to say of "Big Bang".The third stage was this
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/07.%20Book-7%20Aafaq%20ki%20Haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century/002.%20Sky/16.%2021.30%20{Ratqan}.gif
"Do not those who refuse to accept see that the skies and Earth were both reconciled/united/sewed together and then We parted/clove them both two asunder" {Refer 2130}
The Sky and Earth were reconciled/sewed together with the relationship of mutual attraction leaving no gap/breach on any side and the Sky was expanded in seven skies, each sky {layer} commensurate with the one above it. And then came the point when Allah http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/Individual%20words/temp%20Fataqnahuma%20(to%20seperate).gif , separated both two of them.Bang and explosion scatters things, and does not put them in order. Big Bang is this
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/07.%20Book-7%20Aafaq%20ki%20Haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century/002.%20Sky/24.%2050.42.gif
"The Day when they will truly listen a Bang. That is the day of coming out {from graves}" -
the Stars are not just a decoration, people used the stars to guide them and some stars are the army of God in the first sky.
Stars are objects of the upper Skies.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/015.%20Al%20Hijr/15.16.gif
And We have indeed made in the Sky towers/structures and made the Sky attractive for on lookers.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/037.%20As%20Safaat/37.06.gif
Certainly We have adorned the Lowest Sky with the attraction/beauty of Planets;And the lower Sky of Earth was decorated with comets
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Is this the Big Bang you are talking about? Allow me to introduce to you Shu(Air) the one who separated Nut(Sky) from Geb(land). This idea is an ancient creation motif found in many creation myths.
It is interesting to note that Allah is like Shu, he keeps Nut away from Geb and keep the birds air-borne. So Allah is like an Air-God.
Also Allah moves the clouds and move the ships!! That is AIR.
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And before they were joined together, a relationship was created, they both had already been made to exist
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/07.%20Book-7%20Aafaq%20ki%20Haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century/002.%20Sky/02.%20b%2041.11.gif
Thereafter lapse of time/having created the Earth and its wherewithal, He attended/directed towards the Sky, and it was existing as gaseous.
Therefore it was ordained/said for the Sky and for the Earth , "you both develop relationship either of attraction or repulsion ". They both said, "We agree to develop relationship to each other in the manner of those who develop relationship of love/affection/fraternity/attraction which creates the desire to come closer to each other".Where is "bang"/"exploded" in it? The fact is contrary to it,
The relationship was developed in the manner of http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/Individual%20words/Temp%20Taeena%20{attraction}.gif those things/people who revert/move happily with their own desire and not under any compulsion. When two things come closer to each other happily and with the desire and not compulsion this shows nothing but mutual attraction. And when things come closer to each other under the desire of meeting/joining with each other there is never a possibility of "Bang" {sudden loud noise} what to say of "Big Bang".The third stage was this
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/07.%20Book-7%20Aafaq%20ki%20Haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century/002.%20Sky/16.%2021.30%20{Ratqan}.gif
"Do not those who refuse to accept see that the skies and Earth were both reconciled/united/sewed together and then We parted/clove them both two asunder" {Refer 2130}
The Sky and Earth were reconciled/sewed together with the relationship of mutual attraction leaving no gap/breach on any side and the Sky was expanded in seven skies, each sky {layer} commensurate with the one above it. And then came the point when Allah http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/Individual%20words/temp%20Fataqnahuma%20(to%20seperate).gif , separated both two of them.Bang and explosion scatters things, and does not put them in order. Big Bang is this
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/07.%20Book-7%20Aafaq%20ki%20Haqeeqat,%20Quran%20in%2021st%20century/002.%20Sky/24.%2050.42.gif
"The Day when they will truly listen a Bang. That is the day of coming out {from graves}"I'm just stating what the scientists said about the big bang, in fact about my opinion I didn't believe that there was a big bang before .because the words in Quran was clear according to me as an arabic man .
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Stars are objects of the upper Skies.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/015.%20Al%20Hijr/15.16.gif
And We have indeed made in the Sky towers/structures and made the Sky attractive for on lookers.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/037.%20As%20Safaat/37.06.gif
Certainly We have adorned the Lowest Sky with the attraction/beauty of Planets;And the lower Sky of Earth was decorated with comets
Did I say the opposite ? I said the stars are not just a decoration , there are other purposes other than just being a decoration .
( )1- created to adorn the sky .
2- created to kill the Deamons" the evil creatures of the Djinn"
3- created to be signs to guide the people to their way.
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Is this the Big Bang you are talking about? Allow me to introduce to you Shu(Air) the one who separated Nut(Sky) from Geb(land). This idea is an ancient creation motif found in many creation myths.
It is interesting to note that Allah is like Shu, he keeps Nut away from Geb and keep the birds air-borne. So Allah is like an Air-God.
Also Allah moves the clouds and move the ships!! That is AIR.Air , that was funny lol . do you know what is Air ? is Air exists ? anyways at least say Wind instead of saying Air because clouds and ships moved by winds not Air .