How can you refute this?
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the Stars are not just a decoration, people used the stars to guide them and some stars are the army of God in the first sky.
Stars are objects of the upper Skies.
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And We have indeed made in the Sky towers/structures and made the Sky attractive for on lookers.
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Certainly We have adorned the Lowest Sky with the attraction/beauty of Planets;And the lower Sky of Earth was decorated with comets
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Is this the Big Bang you are talking about? Allow me to introduce to you Shu(Air) the one who separated Nut(Sky) from Geb(land). This idea is an ancient creation motif found in many creation myths.
It is interesting to note that Allah is like Shu, he keeps Nut away from Geb and keep the birds air-borne. So Allah is like an Air-God.
Also Allah moves the clouds and move the ships!! That is AIR.
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And before they were joined together, a relationship was created, they both had already been made to exist
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Thereafter lapse of time/having created the Earth and its wherewithal, He attended/directed towards the Sky, and it was existing as gaseous.
Therefore it was ordained/said for the Sky and for the Earth , "you both develop relationship either of attraction or repulsion ". They both said, "We agree to develop relationship to each other in the manner of those who develop relationship of love/affection/fraternity/attraction which creates the desire to come closer to each other".Where is "bang"/"exploded" in it? The fact is contrary to it,
The relationship was developed in the manner of http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/Individual%20words/Temp%20Taeena%20{attraction}.gif those things/people who revert/move happily with their own desire and not under any compulsion. When two things come closer to each other happily and with the desire and not compulsion this shows nothing but mutual attraction. And when things come closer to each other under the desire of meeting/joining with each other there is never a possibility of "Bang" {sudden loud noise} what to say of "Big Bang".The third stage was this
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"Do not those who refuse to accept see that the skies and Earth were both reconciled/united/sewed together and then We parted/clove them both two asunder" {Refer 2130}
The Sky and Earth were reconciled/sewed together with the relationship of mutual attraction leaving no gap/breach on any side and the Sky was expanded in seven skies, each sky {layer} commensurate with the one above it. And then came the point when Allah http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/Individual%20words/temp%20Fataqnahuma%20(to%20seperate).gif , separated both two of them.Bang and explosion scatters things, and does not put them in order. Big Bang is this
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"The Day when they will truly listen a Bang. That is the day of coming out {from graves}"I'm just stating what the scientists said about the big bang, in fact about my opinion I didn't believe that there was a big bang before .because the words in Quran was clear according to me as an arabic man .
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Stars are objects of the upper Skies.
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And We have indeed made in the Sky towers/structures and made the Sky attractive for on lookers.
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Certainly We have adorned the Lowest Sky with the attraction/beauty of Planets;And the lower Sky of Earth was decorated with comets
Did I say the opposite ? I said the stars are not just a decoration , there are other purposes other than just being a decoration .
( )1- created to adorn the sky .
2- created to kill the Deamons" the evil creatures of the Djinn"
3- created to be signs to guide the people to their way.
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Is this the Big Bang you are talking about? Allow me to introduce to you Shu(Air) the one who separated Nut(Sky) from Geb(land). This idea is an ancient creation motif found in many creation myths.
It is interesting to note that Allah is like Shu, he keeps Nut away from Geb and keep the birds air-borne. So Allah is like an Air-God.
Also Allah moves the clouds and move the ships!! That is AIR.Air , that was funny lol . do you know what is Air ? is Air exists ? anyways at least say Wind instead of saying Air because clouds and ships moved by winds not Air .
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Wind is moving air. Right?
I'll answer you if you answer the questions first .
what is Air ? is Air exists ? ....
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I'll answer you if you answer the questions first .
what is Air ? is Air exists ? ....
Is a mixture of Gases.
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I guess unless I am hallucinating. D
ah that's Good , because now you're going to know that hallucination is a disease and it makes a person makes a false perception of something in your case "mixing between Air and wind" in other words this thing that is not really there.
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ah that's Good , because now you're going to know that hallucination is a disease and it makes a person makes a false perception of something in your case "mixing between Air and wind" in other words this thing that is not really there.
Lets get back to the thread here. Isn't the sky of the Quran solid? The question is why? If it is true, how? If you believe it is not solid, explain.
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Lets get back to the thread here. Isn't the sky of the Quran solid? The question is why? If it is true, how? If you believe it is not solid, explain.
first of all You don't know what does the word sky means. here some explanations of the sky
science explains the sky as the ball of cosmic and the all-stars in our galaxy any material within our world,This interpretation agrees Imam Muhammad Abdu he says the Sky is a name for what getting higher and rising above your head, but you imagine when you hear the word Sky the universe that has over you, and the sun and the moon and other planets take place in the tracks and moving in their orbits. So briefly the sky is the universe "the first sky".It should be noted that the sky is indicated on the vacuum in the infinite universe, which can not be devoid not obsessed with anything but the center is filled by a material called ether In this environment the material is transmitted non-physical energies such as radio waves or radio, radar and light and heat, and called these energies the name of the airwaves.
after God "Allah" Created the skies and the earths, they were adhered then he made them seperated.
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OK. So what are the stars protecting? The vacuum? What is beyond the vacuum. What did the Jinn touch?
Don't you know that at the beginning God's throne was one the waters.
Taking all mythologies together, it seem God separated the salty water from the fresh water, the fresh water was beyond the firmament and it falls as rain and get stored in the Earth as wells and rivers while oceans are the salty waters. The heaven and Earth is one material whom God separated but he smoothed the firmament and flattened the Earth and placed the mountains to keep the Earth from shaking. Could it be that the two seas that are separated by a barrier in the Quran be the Earth's oceans and the heavenly fresh water separated by the firmament at the edge of the Earth. Interesting.
Peace.
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OK. So what are the stars protecting?
The Stars protect nothing . they are for decoration and they are for keeping the deamons"The Jinn" away and they guided people to the directions "the sailors in the oceans and the lost people in the lands".
The vacuum?
Vaccum is the emptiness , have you ever heard about the physics of the vaccum ?
What is beyond the vacuum. What did the Jinn touch?
I don't know what's beyond the vaccum and I don't want to know because knowing it will not serve me by any way.
the Jinn were before a curios visiter of the first sky "after the first sky there is the second sky and between both of them there is some population of Angels, those angels are always talking about what's going to happen later from accidents and events on earth and they do know these things from the population of angels in the second sky who they knew it before from the population of angels in the third sky and so on till the seven sky" the Jinn were visiting the first sky to hear what the angels said and then they back down to the earth to tell people about the future events but they told them just lies , that's why there is stars in the sky to avoid the Jinn from even pass the layers of the earth.
Don't you know that at the beginning God's throne was one the waters.
Taking all mythologies together, it seem God separated the salty water from the fresh water, the fresh water was beyond the firmament and it falls as rain and get stored in the Earth as wells and rivers while oceans are the salty waters. The heaven and Earth is one material whom God separated but he smoothed the firmament and flattened the Earth and placed the mountains to keep the Earth from shaking. Could it be that the two seas that are separated by a barrier in the Quran be the Earth's oceans and the heavenly fresh water separated by the firmament at the edge of the Earth. Interesting.
Peace.
ah I recommand you to learn more about the beginning and how things came from the creatures until the throne of God . and one more thing if you want to make comparison between what came in the Quran and what came in the others book, you have first to separe studying them at the same time.
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I said the stars are not just a decoration
I only tried to point out that every celestial object may not be referred as Star.
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In old times, people observed certain objects appearing suddenly in the sky and behaving differently from planets. From their appearance they gave them the Greek name "Komet" meaning "hairy one, hair of the head". And today we call them "Comet", an astronomical object with long tail.
Man knows about "comets" for the last 2500 years and have observed and recorded about 2000 comets. At the time of revelation of Quran e Mubeen, the appearance of large comets was regarded as atmospheric phenomenon and same was the perception of Aristotle. It were not regarded as celestial bodies. Quran e Majeed clarified that it were celestial bodies like the planets
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After about 900 years of the information given by Quran, people starting believing them as celestial bodies but unfortunately our translators kept calling http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/002.%20Meanings%20and%20Tabweeb%20of%20words/004.%20Kokab%20{Planets}/06.%20b%20{An%20Najoom%20word}.gif,http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/002.%20Meanings%20and%20Tabweeb%20of%20words/004.%20Kokab%20{Planets}/01.%20c%20Kokaban%20{word}.gif,and http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/002.%20Meanings%20and%20Tabweeb%20of%20words/005.%20Masabeh%20{Comets}/00.%20Masabeha%20{word}.gif as STARS and LAMPS merely copying from earlier translation.
The Arabic word "Masabeih" was much more reflective with great precision to describe the object than the word "komet" assigned by the Greeks. It becomes visible only when it reaches near the Sun. Sun is the reflection of day break and is the one who enters at the time of morning. And its visibility and behavior/movement is like . The Root of this word is " "which means to throw, hurl at someone. Here is the picture; and please compare it with the meanings and perception given by "Masabeih" and .
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