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    centi50
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    Salam to All,

    Just came across this clip where David wood a Christian Evangelist says in Qur'an
    3356 Allah prays to Prophet Muhammad
    https//youtu.be/pvB8alwJdYc

    Comments and refutation

    God bless all

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      Mazhar
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      Both seem to have superficial knowledge of Arabic.

      http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00024.%20Salat%20Suad%20Lam%20Waw/22.gif It is a verbal sentence as the Predicate of Verb-like particle. Verb Imperfect; Third person; plural; masculine; Mood Indicative evident by ; Subject Pronoun, in nominative state referent to Allah the Exalted and His Angels; - Verbal noun.

      The imperfect indicative mood verb does not restrict itself to any idea of time; it indicates enduring existence, begun and incomplete, either in past, present or future time.

      It indicates an act which does not take place at any one particular time to the exclusion of any other point in time, but which takes place all the time, or rather in speaking of which no notice is taken of time, but only of duration. In English grammar, we call it "the indefinite present". A verb in the indefinite aspect is used when the beginning or ending of an action, an event, or condition is unknown or unimportant to the meaning of the sentence.

      The peculiarity of Form-II derivative verb is that makes an attribution to object; to consider someone or something to be something. Form II Verb represent two shifts in the meaning from Form-I. First shift is causative and the other is to intensify the meanings of Form-I Verb.

      This verb stems from Root . Basic perception infolded in the Root is to praise, magnify, pay homage; expressing commendation or wishing blessings upon the one who is revered or appreciated.

      Thus the Verb signifies rendering an entity worthy of the meanings of verbal noun and Root. The entity that is commended by Allah the Exalted and His Angels is mentioned by Prepositional Phrase. The Preposition means "upon" - the recipient of commendation; Adjective resembling participle Definite; singular; Masculine; genitive. It refers to the elevated universal Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam.

      Know the fact Allah the Exalted and His Angels commend the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen Allegiant .

      O those/you, who proclaim to have accepted/become believers, listen!

      You are directed to reverently commend him. And you are required to submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.

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        hawk99
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        Salam to All,

        Just came across this clip where David wood a Christian Evangelist says in Qur'an
        3356 Allah prays to Prophet Muhammad
        https//youtu.be/pvB8alwJdYc

        Comments and refutation

        God bless all

        C'mon centi50 brickwall Allah does not pray brickwall
        Who/what would Allah pray to/for? brickwall use better sources
        for your journey handshake

        peace

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          centi50
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          Both seem to have superficial knowledge of Arabic.

          http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00024.%20Salat%20Suad%20Lam%20Waw/22.gif It is a verbal sentence as the Predicate of Verb-like particle. Verb Imperfect; Third person; plural; masculine; Mood Indicative evident by ; Subject Pronoun, in nominative state referent to Allah the Exalted and His Angels; - Verbal noun.

          The imperfect indicative mood verb does not restrict itself to any idea of time; it indicates enduring existence, begun and incomplete, either in past, present or future time.

          It indicates an act which does not take place at any one particular time to the exclusion of any other point in time, but which takes place all the time, or rather in speaking of which no notice is taken of time, but only of duration. In English grammar, we call it "the indefinite present". A verb in the indefinite aspect is used when the beginning or ending of an action, an event, or condition is unknown or unimportant to the meaning of the sentence.

          The peculiarity of Form-II derivative verb is that makes an attribution to object; to consider someone or something to be something. Form II Verb represent two shifts in the meaning from Form-I. First shift is causative and the other is to intensify the meanings of Form-I Verb.

          This verb stems from Root . Basic perception infolded in the Root is to praise, magnify, pay homage; expressing commendation or wishing blessings upon the one who is revered or appreciated.

          Thus the Verb signifies rendering an entity worthy of the meanings of verbal noun and Root. The entity that is commended by Allah the Exalted and His Angels is mentioned by Prepositional Phrase. The Preposition means "upon" - the recipient of commendation; Adjective resembling participle Definite; singular; Masculine; genitive. It refers to the elevated universal Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam.

          Know the fact Allah the Exalted and His Angels commend the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen Allegiant .

          O those/you, who proclaim to have accepted/become believers, listen!

          You are directed to reverently commend him. And you are required to submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.

          Salam Mazhar,

          Thank you for commenting/reply, but your language is so academic difficult for me to grasp. Can u put it in a lay man's language.

          Like how what does "Yusalun" mean here. You say like we directed to commend him. Do you mean praise him? And you said we are required to submit salutation. How can we do salutation to a dead person.

          Please make things clear in a lay man language so I may understand you

          God bless you

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            Mazhar
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            Salam Mazhar,

            Thank you for commenting/reply, but your language is so academic difficult for me to grasp. Can u put it in a lay man's language.

            Like how what does "Yusalun" mean here. You say like we directed to commend him. Do you mean praise him? And you said we are required to submit salutation. How can we do salutation to a dead person.

            Please make things clear in a lay man language so I may understand you

            God bless you

            It is some thing common that we commend living and non-living heroes. We salute graves of martyrs; a gesture of commendation. We acknowledge and appreciate great work done by commending the person.

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              centi50
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              It is some thing common that we commend living and non-living heroes. We salute graves of martyrs; a gesture of commendation. We acknowledge and appreciate great work done by commending the person.

              Thank you Mazhar for the answer.

              OK how can we commend/salute/praise and show obeisance to Muhammad then

              Example?

              God bless you

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                centi50
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                Thank you Mazhar for the answer.

                OK how can we commend/salute/praise and show obeisance to Muhammad then

                Example?

                God bless you

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                  Mazhar
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                  Thank you Mazhar for the answer.

                  OK how can we commend/salute/praise and show obeisance to Muhammad then

                  Example?

                  God bless you

                  Commend to present, mention, or praise; to cite or name with respect, reverence, honour, approval or special praise

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                    centi50
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                    Salam Mazhar,
                    Are you saying Allah is commending /saluting /praising the prophet?

                    God bless

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                      Mazhar
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                      Salam Mazhar,
                      Are you saying Allah is commending /saluting /praising the prophet?

                      God bless

                      Salam,

                      Please re-read all what I have said explaining the Arabic words.

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                        centi50
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                        Salam,

                        Please re-read all what I have said explaining the Arabic words.

                        Salam Mazhar,

                        I quote wote you previously
                        "
                        This verb stems from Root . Basic perception infolded in the Root is to praise, magnify, pay homage; expressing commendation or wishing blessings upon the one who is revered or appreciated.
                        Thus the Verb signifies rendering an entity worthy of the meanings of verbal noun and Root."

                        Entity here = Mohammed
                        Verb from the root S-L-W basic perception is to praise/magnify/commendation

                        So what it means Allah Praise/commend/magnify the prophet.

                        Maybe I just got it wrong from your quote

                        God bless you

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                          huruf
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                          God can do whatever He wants and say whatever he wants to whomever he wants.

                          ?Why should not God, who knows btter than anybody else praise something He considers good, and with whom He is pleased? Anybody can do whatever he wants and God can't?

                          If the nuts who is th ecause of this op does not know Arabic and he is digging to see where he can hook something to be ever so shocked about, well we should not follow his example.

                          Salaam

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                            Mazhar
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                            Salam Mazhar,

                            I quote wote you previously
                            "
                            This verb stems from Root . Basic perception infolded in the Root is to praise, magnify, pay homage; expressing commendation or wishing blessings upon the one who is revered or appreciated.
                            Thus the Verb signifies rendering an entity worthy of the meanings of verbal noun and Root."

                            Entity here = Mohammed
                            Verb from the root S-L-W basic perception is to praise/magnify/commendation

                            So what it means Allah Praise/commend/magnify the prophet.

                            Maybe I just got it wrong from your quote

                            God bless you

                            May be it helps you to perceive what is commending

                            http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/094.%20Ash%20Shrah/94.4.gif

                            And Our Majesty have since raised high for you the mention/remembrance/repute of you .

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                              jkhan
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                              Centi 50 ...
                              3356 doesn't say Allah prays... Salat or Salam is not meant for dead humans by a living human... If anyone says so then it's upto him or her.. Salat and Salam May have many meanings in current Day Arabic and in quran...
                              Most appropriate meaning for 3356 is Bless...what we mean when we say to someone " God bless you" ... We can't in fact make anyone bless.. We are weak.. We approach to God to bless ...but Salam (Greeting with peace) is different.. It's direct to person to person verbally.. In the case of Salat it can be verbally or mentally or may be a supplication directly or indirectly... What in the end a Salat of blessing is a kind of encouragement and support ..
                              To understand this tangibly take the verse

                              3343 "It is He who blesses you, and His angels, to bring you forth from the shadows into the light. He is All-compassionate to the believers."

                              This verse is not for the prophet but common for all believers... God bless us and NOT PRAY.. The outcome is to take us from darkness to light... So blessing is one part of Raheem.. If one is blessed by God he has got the minute part of His Mercy (raheem)...
                              God said the verse 3356 while the prophet was alive.. And God blessed him while he was among his people and asked the people who were among with him to bless and greet him that's a good moral boost, support and encouragement for the prophet...
                              It's not now for us to say salat or Salam to Prophet.... Do this for your loved ones and believers who are alive.. Approach quran with the intention of guidance and you will not need others to answer you...

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                                Peace,

                                The god does the same for those who believe. Him and his malaika youssallo 3ala allathina aamanou.

                                FM translation 3341-43

                                O you who believe, you shall remember God frequently.
                                And glorify Him morning and evening.
                                He is the One who communes towards you, along with His angels, to bring you out of darkness and into the light. And He is ever Merciful towards the believers.


                                This is not exclusive for naby. ! confused

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                                  centi50
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                                  Salam to All,
                                  Thank you for All those replied to me politely.

                                  God bless

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                                    jkhan
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                                    Salam c50
                                    So is it your understanding just saying thank you for all who responding politely.. Do you get actually what the verse 3356 talks of?

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                                      centi50
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                                      Salam to All,

                                      From the discussion I have understood what the verse it means

                                      God bless

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