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According to Ahmadiyya Sect NAMLAH = NAME of a TRIBE ?

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    jawad_mugniya
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    Peace,

    Anyway, i still wonder if jawad_mugniya is now fixed that the Naml was Not a human tribe and that it means the Ant community.

    Not yet, bro. But thanks for your reply.

    Mantiq al Tayr = Human logos (See Lisan al 3arab for the meaning of the word 'tayr&#039

    Second reason is

    in the verse 16. It doesn't say that it's a revelation or an insipiration but it seems like a gradual teaching.

    That's why we can't say that they were speaking the language of birds because nobody can learn the language of birds gradually.

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      Mazhar
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      Yes that is correct. Queen and the male ants all have wings. Worker ant does not have wings.

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        Cushan
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        Another issue to bring to this argument... rabbinical tradition. Before the Quran rabbinical tradition said Solomon had control over angels and demons and all animals and insects. Rational? Not by a long shot. But it's a precedent.

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          quickduck
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          Peace jawad,

          Not yet, bro. But thanks for your reply.

          you're welcome, i'll always try my best to help people understand what they didn't yet.

          Mantiq al Tayr = Human logos (See Lisan al 3arab for the meaning of the word 'tayr&#039

          Second reason is
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          in the verse 16. It doesn't say that it's a revelation or an insipiration but it seems like a gradual teaching.

          That's why we can't say that they were speaking the language of birds because nobody can learn the language of birds gradually.

          Ok, and what do you think about this one ?

          And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.
          Quran 231

          Do you think that Adam was taught "gradually" or by inspiration ?

          Salam

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            jawad_mugniya
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            And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.
            Quran 231

            Do you think that Adam was taught "gradually" or by inspiration ?

            Salam

            Well, the teaching in both cases are different.

            In the history of Sulayman, the teaching is linked to "mantiq al tayr". As a human, I can say that the word "mantiq" is not appliable to the language of "birds". And the verse is clear, they only know the language of "birds" and not ants. Otherwise, the verse would say for example, that they know all the languages of all the animals, but this is not the case, here.

            I think, you don't take seriously the context of verses in the Qur'an.

            You can't quote a verse and compare it to another then assume that the meaning is same. That's not a good methodology.

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              jawad_mugniya
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              Do you think that Adam was taught "gradually" or by inspiration ?

              Salam

              Second, when Allah does something for example, teaches, gives, etc. can we say that it happens in a second or millsecond ?

              By the way, in my opinion there is no supernatural in the Quran means something that goes against the natural laws of this world and the natural understanding of a human. All the things in the Quran must be explainable without saying "This is beyond our understanding blablabla......."

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                Mazhar
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                In the history of Sulayman, the teaching is linked to "mantiq al tayr". As a human, I can say that the word "mantiq" is not appliable to the language of "birds". And the verse is clear, they only know the language of "birds" and not ants. Otherwise, the verse would say for example, that they know all the languages of all the animals, but this is not the case, here.

                Resolve the contradiction. He pronounced that they have the knowledge of the language of birds. And Allah informed in other verse that he understood the statement by she-ant to other ants directing them to enter into their habitats. Similarity between birds and the commanding she-ant is that both fly with two wings.

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                  jawad_mugniya
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                  Resolve the contradiction. He pronounced that they have the knowledge of the language of birds. And Allah informed in other verse that he understood the statement by she-ant to other ants directing them to enter into their habitats. Similarity between birds and the commanding she-ant is that both fly with two wings.

                  Language of birds should be something understable to our level (human understading) then you don't have too much possibilities one is WISDOM (the link of tayr to brain see. Lisan al 3arab) second is THE WAY OF USING BIRDS for SENDING MESSAGES.

                  Now, if you claim it was really a she-ant then you have to explain how the narrator in the verse, when and where it talks about the she-ant giving order to other ants, know the differences between a she-ant (female) and other ant who are male.

                  Is it possible for a human to differentiate between a she-ant and a male ant through just a simple a look, ?

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                    Mazhar
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                    Now, if you claim it was really a she-ant then you have to explain how the narrator in the verse, when and where it talks about the she-ant giving order to other ants, know the differences between a she-ant (female) and other ant who are male.

                    Is it possible for a human to differentiate between a she-ant and a male ant through just a simple a look, ?

                    The confusion arises only when we keep ourselves absorbed in our own thoughts and do not take the trouble of looking into the words of the Book. The narrator of the Episode is Allah and NOT Suleiman alahissalam. Allah fully knows whether some male is commanding or a female. Today we know and can see the difference of sex orgains of both female and male ant. And today we know with certainity that She Ant commands both female and male ants. By the way, some time we may try to look on a female ant and the male ant, we can differentiate both even with naked eye.

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                      jawad_mugniya
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                      The narrator of the Episode is Allah and NOT Suleiman alahissalam.

                      The narrator is not Allah, nor Sulaiman but a third person who is witnessing the mobilization of Sulaiman's army and describes what he sees, hears etc.

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                        quickduck
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                        The narrator is not Allah, nor Sulaiman but a third person who is witnessing the mobilization of Sulaiman's army and describes what he sees, hears etc.

                        Yes you are right the narrator is not Allah nor Suleiman .

                        the narrator is Michael Emerson from the TV show LOST . He's very good at that !!!!! and you are completly "LOST IN TRANSLATION"

                        Salam

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