did Qur'anists know that the prophet has mentioned them ?
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Some People said that the Sunnah and the hadiths are not a part of the Legislation "", and they called themselves the Qur'anists "" proportion to the word Qur'an "" and that they are following what came in it, pretending that the sunnah and the ahiths are liars and deception and distortion. The most shocking things for them is that the prophet peace be upon him told us about this kind of people
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here in this saying of the prophet peace be upon him where he stated that it'll come a people who they will argue about his ahadiths and they will say that they will just take what came in Qur'an(issues about Halal and haram things) and then the prophet pointed out that what he said(about haram things) is what God said(about haram things) are the same thing.
those people who they think theirselves really following Qur'an, in fact they are not because God has orderd them to follow his prophet and when we said follow his prophet, it means follow his ahadiths and his way of doing things .
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004.080 He who obeys the Messenger, obeys God But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).
and what's really makes them out of the context of Iman"faith" despite all being a followers of the book of Allah as they said is denying the way of the prophet did things and how he reacts over some issues which as they said not existing in the Qur'an or the worst they said that these things from ahadiths and deeds are contradicting with Qur'an. I think they have never read this verse
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"But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction".
I have more verses that show that we must not reject hadiths instead of that we have to make it a reference of witness, because the hadiths will be witnessed your actions and rejecting it will not make your faith stronger.
To conclude >> the prophet said
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Now Quranist or UnQuranist ( because after all you're both of them)......what do you think ?
B.S if anyone look for a debate, I'll use arabic because english rejects the meanings, besides it is cluttered.
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Is this the same prophet Muhamamd that did not know the future?
"Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of God. Nor do I know the unseen. Nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I simply follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Do you not reflect?" 650
"Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner" 469
"Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except God. They do not even perceive how or when they will be resurrected." 2765
I think you meant to say what prophet Muhammad allegedly said. Also most here do not take traditional narrations as fact, thus bringing an argument from such a source will likely not be given much weight.
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I find it absurd for those who uphold the hadiths to think that the quranic laws are not complete when God mentions it in the very same book.
I think its very easy to be a sheep in this life and let people control your thinking and I believe the quran can "heal" those who are suffering from this "sheep syndrome." ;D
WAKE UP!
PEACE
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Why didn't God inform us that one day a man named Bukhari would compile another book for us to follow. Why didn't God inform us about isnad to guide us to the correct hadith. Before Bukhari were the muslims supposed to follow any of the thousands upon thousands hadith they heard. Do I follow Sunni or Shai hadith? If one why not the other? What if the Hadith has a strong isnad but contradicts the Quran, should I follow the Hadith (like in the Hanbali school) On that note, will I be judged by God based on which school I follow when the schools have difference of opinion? Why didn't God inform us about the different schools of thought to follow? If Bukhari only kept a small percent of hadith obviously there were a lot of people making stuff and applying it to the prophet, how do we know the Hadith collectors didn't make mistakes? What if they were wrong about the isnad? If certain Hadith are weak, why do we still have them, shouldn't they just be rejected so we don't attribute something false to God and his Messenger. Why didn't Malik mention anything about the Mehdi, Dajjal and return of Jesus, but other hadith collectors did? Who do we trust?
Just some questions.
I actually don't reject all hadith, but I use the Quran as the criterion for judging hadith as God has informed us.
Remember God also said. "The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence." - The Qur'an Surah 3918
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Enemies of the Messengers, last Messenger is no exception, keep fabricating conjectural stories to divert people from the Word of Allah and His Messenger given to people recorded in writing in the Book. Messenger abhored and felt irritated when people wanted to have Hadith from him other than Qur'aan.
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O you who declare to have accepted!
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you people do not enter into the houses of the the Elevated and Chosen One except when the permission is given for you for a meal,
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unlike such people who wait for its preparation for having come earlier,
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but at that time when you are invited thereat you enter into his houses.
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Thereafter when you people have eaten the meal thereby you leave dispersing
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and do not act like those who keep themselves seated for seeking a hadith/story.
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It is certain that this conduct has been causing disconcert/annoyance for the Elevated and Chosen OneAnd anyone who causes disconcert for the Messenger, he has to land in Hell, undoubtedly.
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It is certain that for them is the curse and condemnation in this worldly life and the Hereafter who talk unpleasant vain things about Allah and His Messenger
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Some People said that the Sunnah and the hadiths are not a part of the Legislation "", and they called themselves the Qur'anists "" proportion to the word Qur'an "" and that they are following what came in it, pretending that the sunnah and the ahiths are liars and deception and distortion. The most shocking things for them is that the prophet peace be upon him told us about this kind of people
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here in this saying of the prophet peace be upon him where he stated that it'll come a people who they will argue about his ahadiths and they will say that they will just take what came in Qur'an(issues about Halal and haram things) and then the prophet pointed out that what he said(about haram things) is what God said(about haram things) are the same thing.
Allah knew that someone will fabricate this story and attribute it to His Messenger. He in advance put the evidence about its falsity.
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They ask you, the Messenger what was/has been made permissible for them?
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You tell them, "For you people the nutrient, nourishing things "tayyi'baate" were/have been made permissible/lawful;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/005.%20Al%20Maida/005.%20Al%20Maida.htm
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You, the Messenger pronounce, "I do not find, in that which has been communicated to me , prohibited/forbidden upon him who eats
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except the dead mammal , or the flowing liquid blood, and the meat of swine/pig flesh for the reason that indeed it is filthy; {Ref 6145]http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/006.%20Al%20Anaam%20C%20112-165.htm
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Is this the same prophet Muhamamd that did not know the future?
You didn't respect the prophet peace be upon him, so why I'm waiting respecting his sayings ?
"Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of God. Nor do I know the unseen. Nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I simply follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Do you not reflect?" 650
I hope that you understand the context of this verse, here God is talking by the tongue of the prophet that he knows nothing except what God told him "by inspration" some inspirations contain future events. if you are clever enough you'll know that Moses and Jesus have also had inspiration about future events one of this fuure events is the coming of the prophet Muhammed peace be upon him. one more thing you don't know the story of this verse and its shading.
"Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner" 469
here in this verse the prophet talks about himself that he is not different but in what?? in the call of there is no god but God. he has no idea about what's going to happen except what is revealed to him ( in the revelation, there is some of the unknown issues).
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"Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except God. They do not even perceive how or when they will be resurrected." 2765
well, this is so obvious and we're all agree hat God knows, what you can't stand that God has told the prophet some future news. it's the God's will ( he want to give his prophet some future events, one of it is about Quranists)
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I think you meant to say what prophet Muhammad allegedly said. Also most here do not take traditional narrations as fact, thus bringing an argument from such a source will likely not be given much weight.
I know that you will not take it as fact because you're afraid of taking as fact.
the source is me , and I can "by God willing" prove that Quranists and what they claimed is 100% wrong .( ) /
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I find it absurd for those who uphold the hadiths to think that the quranic laws are not complete when God mentions it in the very same book.
you don't know where the Qur'an is completed ?? it is completed in verses "Ayatte" .
I think its very easy to be a sheep in this life and let people control your thinking and I believe the quran can "heal" those who are suffering from this "sheep syndrome." ;D
WAKE UP!
PEACEthe only person that shall wake up is you .
well, as I know there is no syndrome called sheep syndrome, so here you're lying which is a forbidden thing.
to be a sheep in this life can make things better for you because after all the sheep has been shaded from heaven, but to be a swine in this life can cause disease and illness let alone dirty issues .
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you don't know where the Qur'an is completed ?? it is completed in verses "Ayatte" .
the only person that shall wake up is you .
well, as I know there is no syndrome called sheep syndrome, so here you're lying which is a forbidden thing.
to be a sheep in this life can make things better for you because after all the sheep has been shaded from heaven, but to be a swine in this life can cause disease and illness let alone dirty issues .
Exactly if the ayats are complete why use another source??The laws are complete in the quran and to say otherwise after reading the quran is not believing in Gods words.
In regards to "sheep syndrome" comment it was a tongue in cheek comment used to describe mindsets of those people that follow the crowd which are I believe the majority on this earth.
I suggest you wake up and study the quran using cross referencing instead of using another source to twist verses to support hadiths.
PEACE
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I don't think there's any point debating here. No matter how many verses you give to this reformer dude, they are always out of context and there's shading (whatever that means).
Look at all the verses I gave him and they're still not good enough
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Thereformer, so the Prophet warned us about the Quraniyoon yet in the Quran itself he was told say I only follow that which is revealed unto me
I know you're really into context and I think that's great so lets see the context of that, ayah 10/15
And when Our Clear Verses are recited unto them, those who hope not for their meeting with Us, say Bring us a Quran other than this, or change it."Say (O Muhammad SAW) "It is not for me to change it on my own accord; I only follow that which is revealed unto me. Verily, I fear if I were to disobey my Lord, the torment of the Great Day
So if you notice, some say when the clear verses (not hadith yeah, clear VERSES) 'bring us a quran other than this or CHANGE this'. The Prophet was told to reply 'its not for me to change it'. Why was he told to say this? Does hadith overturn many Quranic injunctions? Then he was commanded to say 'i follow only that which is revealed to me'. So what is 'revealed to him'? Go back to the beginning of the ayah and the answer is simple THE QURAN.
So that hadith you quoted is false and probably created in order to scare people into believing hadith. It worked.
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The most shocking things for them is that the prophet peace be upon him told us about this kind of people
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Al-`Irbad ibn Sariyah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said ?Would any of you think, reclining on his couch, that Allah would only describe what is forbidden in the Qur?an? I tell you, by Allah, that I have warned and commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is in the Qur?an, if not more so.? (Reported by Abu Dawud, Kitab al-Khiraj wal-imarah wal-fay'
The most shocking thing? What I find shocking about this hadith is how obviously it contradicts the Qur'an, as has been shown by others on here.
This hadith is always quoted in texts about the supposed "authority of sunnah", I've read it countless times. nope
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What is mentioned in the parenthesis seems a wish and desire of the person who is quoting their name/referring them. But the fact is this.
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And the first ones/forerunners who took the lead/precedence from the immigrants and the local accommodators/Helpers and those who followed their footsteps appropriately and in decent manner
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Exactly if the ayats are complete why use another source??The laws are complete in the quran and to say otherwise after reading the quran is not believing in Gods words.
Exactly, do you know what does complete in verses"Ayatte" means ? ah of course you don't, let's do some lessons about Arabic "Ayatte" means in Arabic "" in english "Morals" or "sermons" and also means " " in english signs , Marks, Data and signals. well I think we should get another source to solve or to interpret some Data and some signs and some Marks and some signals. How we will do that ? easy by searching in the hadiths .
In regards to "sheep syndrome" comment it was a tongue in cheek comment used to describe mindsets of those people that follow the crowd which are I believe the majority on this earth.
I understand what do you mean about "sheep syndrome" the origin of this word is arabic (we say " " in english Herd mentality . Anyways the sheep syndrome as you claimed is wrong because all the sheep follow one leader (the powerful one and the Oldest and the wise one) .so being take it as a joke about sheep , think again at least they are under a leader , in the other hand you're under your desires.
I suggest you wake up and study the quran using cross referencing instead of using another source to twist verses to support hadiths.
PEACEI use both of them (Qur'an and prophet's hadiths) I found them like twins, so as I said before the only person that should wake up is you. ah one more thing you need to study (I'm not suggesting) .
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all the sheep follow one leader (the powerful one and the Oldest and the wise one)
In displaying flocking, sheep have a strong lead-follow tendency, and a leader often as not is simply the first sheep to move. However, sheep do establish a pecking order through physical displays of dominance. Dominant animals are inclined to be more aggressive with other sheep, and usually feed first at troughs.
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