one Question for Quranists
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So, you're disobeying the prophet and leads you to disobey God as well . so you're not following Quran but you think that you follow it.
Muhammed was forbidden from revealing anything other than the koran
Say I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Sustainer. This (Qur'an) is insight from your Sustainer, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that you may obtain mercy.?
(7203-204)Stop criticizing people for their typing mistakes. P I have seen a lot of grammatical errors in your posts. Should I start critisizing you for your mistakes? ) rotfl rotflyeah >D >D He dines with the devil. >D
bravo bravowhat you don't know , is that the deeds of the prophet and his saying were also from inspiration.
and about mistakes of people , I didn't do it for criticizing him, I just want to show him the right way of writing . -
well, here you disobey prophet , and you came against the verse where God said obeying prophet is obeying him. and if you didn't kill who leaves Islam, you'll be considered a rebel and a cower, because the punishement for someone leaves Islam is death but after advice him first to back to Islam and if he doesn't want , then he must die.
The Quran says 'obey the messenger' so yes, I need to obey him but HE needs to obey the Quran. If he goes against it, Allah would KILL HIM (69/40-47). In this case, he's not obeying the Quran so I don't need to obey him.
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The Quran says 'obey the messenger' so yes, I need to obey him but HE needs to obey the Quran. If he goes against it, Allah would KILL HIM (69/40-47). In this case, he's not obeying the Quran so I don't need to obey him.
The fact is, he wouldn't ever order against the Quran. But a direct order does not equate to a Hadith.
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Do you have any example at the time of the Prophet (s) of one who was killed purely on the basis of rejecting Islam?
No, but at the time of Abo Baker Asadik the friend of the prophet, after the death of the prophet people got rejecting Islam, and Abo Baker Asadik and his friends frim Ali and Othman and Omar Bno Khatab and the others Sahaba, ordered to kill everyone who doesn't want to back to Islam, and by the way the punishment is in Qur'an itself for someone who rejects Islam.
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Oh and by the way, you still didn't get back to me Does following a hadith equate to following a direct order of the Prophet (s)?Yes, absolutely, because hadith is protected from God as well. and I'm talking about hadith Sahih and hadith Hassan.
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No, but at the time of Abo Baker Asadik the friend of the prophet, after the death of the prophet people got rejecting Islam, and Abo Baker Asadik and his friends frim Ali and Othman and Omar Bno Khatab and the others Sahaba, ordered to kill everyone who doesn't want to back to Islam, and by the way the punishment is in Qur'an itself for someone who rejects Islam.
I am talking about Rasulullah (s) seeing as the thread is about following him, not his friends.
Also we are not talking about people who leave Islam and become renegades. We are talking about the countless people who peacefully leave Islam to practice another religion. They are to be killed to for simply leaving Islam when Allah (swt) CLEARLY asserts Let there be NO compulsion in religion.
Yes, absolutely, because hadith is protected from God as well. and I'm talking about hadith Sahih and hadith Hassan.
I dare you to prove it.
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Well done for FINALLY admitting it. Congratulations. yay
)Hahahahah, I'm admitting what I wrote from Birth ..the problem is not me, is the guys here in this website they didn admit that saying that those salaf Asaleh are liars and that they fabricated the hadith. you're confusing between me and them.
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The Quran says 'obey the messenger' so yes, I need to obey him but HE needs to obey the Quran. If he goes against it, Allah would KILL HIM (69/40-47). In this case, he's not obeying the Quran so I don't need to obey him.
I didn't say he goes against it , read the thread , I said he ordered you to do something not existing in Quran.
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what you don't know , is that the deeds of the prophet and his saying were also from inspiration.
The DEEDS of the Prophet outside the Quran are from inspiration?
9/43May Allah forgive you (O Muhammad SAW). Why did you grant them leave (for remaining behind, you should have persisted as regards your order to them to proceed on Jihad), until those who told the truth were seen by you in a clear light, and you had known the liars?
So Allah inspired him to make a mistake then Allah is forgiving him? What a great Allah you got, man!
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I didn't say he goes against it , read the thread , I said he ordered you to do something not existing in Quran.
This DOES go against the Quran though
10/99And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you (O Muhammad SAW) then compel mankind, until they become believers
So Muhammad went against the Quran by killing those who leave islam. Your version of Muhammad anyway...
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I dare you to prove it.
ok, got it
the hadith has took a great part in studying it, so people came from everywhere to take ahadih after the death of prophet . So the question is why people want to study hadith if it was fabricated as guys here pretend ?
All the Salaf Asalih have been guided from God to study hadith and classified it
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here in this verse God said to the prophet that Quran must be interpreted .
and about the salaf asaleh " "
this verse is an order from God to ask the scholars .
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The DEEDS of the Prophet outside the Quran are from inspiration?
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9/43May Allah forgive you (O Muhammad SAW). Why did you grant them leave (for remaining behind, you should have persisted as regards your order to them to proceed on Jihad), until those who told the truth were seen by you in a clear light, and you had known the liars?
So Allah inspired him to make a mistake then Allah is forgiving him? What a great Allah you got, man!
this is the real translation
Allah give thee grace! why didst thou grant them exemption until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars?.
you have to know first the verse talks about what . don't waste my time .
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Can you please tell me what 'huwa' refers to? With daleels please.
this is the real translation
Allah give thee grace! why didst thou grant them exemption until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars?.
you have to know first the verse talks about what . don't waste my time .Ah, I doubt very much the verse is talking about how to make mushroom pie! It says Allah forgives 'you'. Tell me please, why does Allah need to forgive if you didn't make a mistake?
A further question, did the Prophet make any mistake at all? Like in ?abasa?. Who inspired him to make those mistakes?
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This DOES go against the Quran though
so lashing the drunk is against Quran ?????
10/99And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you (O Muhammad SAW) then compel mankind, until they become believers
the verse talks about a situation when the prophet wanted from his people Quraish to enter to Islam, not because he wants to force it, but because he wants from his strain to enter the heaven and he cares about them especially his uncle who didn't want Islam, and the prophet insisted over and over from his uncle to enter to Islam but his uncle refused.
So Muhammad went against the Quran by killing those who leave islam. Your version of Muhammad anyway...
I advice you to know first the verse and its context then talk.
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abdalquran, I like your responses, but they assume an underlying respect for logical argument.
lol indeed.
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so lashing the drunk is against Quran ?????
Of course, because Quran speaks of being drunk but doesn?t assign any punishement. However if the drunk causes any harm, that?s a separate judgement.
the verse talks about a situation when the prophet wanted from his people Quraish to enter to Islam, not because he wants to force it, but because he wants from his strain to enter the heaven and he cares about them especially his uncle who didn't want Islam, and the prophet insisted over and over from his uncle to enter to Islam but his uncle refused.
So in other words, for you Quran is useless now. It only talks about past events. But here?s the problem, by this reasoning, you?re saying the sunna/kalima/hukm of Allah CHANGES but Allah insists that it doesn?t.
There?s no point in knowing any asbab an nuzool because they were made up long after the Quran.
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Can you please tell me what 'huwa' refers to? With daleels please.
"" in arabic language means the "enjoyment by desires" and the verse means that the prophet peace be upon him what he said is not anything from his own desires or someone played. everything he said is the truth.
ah by the way before at the time of the prophet there were poets, and they were Good in making sayings tough ones and the were called the speaker of hawa . that's why the verse said that the prophet is not like them.
the daleel is the interpretation of the word in arabic. you can look for it yourself.
I can cite another daleel from hadith but as I see you're not a follower of hadith.
Ah, I doubt very much the verse is talking about how to make mushroom pie! It says Allah forgives 'you'. Tell me please, why does Allah need to forgive if you didn't make a mistake?
the translation is wrong, God doesn't say "I forgive you" in fact he says "Afa Laho anka".
Allah give thee grace! why didst thou grant them exemption until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars?.
the prophet wanted from his uncle to enter Islam, and he just insisted , so he made no mistake
A further question, did the Prophet make any mistake at all? Like in ?abasa?. Who inspired him to make those mistakes?
this is not a mistake, the prophet was busy and he was talking to the leaders of Quraish calling him to Islam, and this man who was blind, came and interupted them, so the prophet got angry and he didn't talk to him, and the verse came to blame the prophet not said that this thing was a mistake .
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You're still making mistakes, and you don't how Arabic language evolved . so stop lying to yourself .
I said when Salamo Alaykom alone without being in a sentence , we spell it like that Salamo Alykom.
when the both words are in a sentence , we spell it like that Salamun Alaykom .
there is no relation between what you said and what you're talking about, so give it a break and stop playing .
First of all,I know what you said and it doesn't make sense because in the Quran 'salamun alaykum' appears in both sentences and stand alone quotes. You need to check the other verses because like I already said the one I gave you was just an example.
Secondly, I'm off because I cannot discuss with anyone who is arrogant and disrespectful as you are. No one here is going to agree with anyone who shows them disrespect so you're just wasting your time. -
Of course, because Quran speaks of being drunk but doesn?t assign any punishement. However if the drunk causes any harm, that?s a separate judgement.
so Quran doesn't assign any punishement, we will not be clever and bring a punishement, is that what you want? .
well let me remind you that the punishement for a drunk has been proved from Quran by Omar Bno Al-Khatab when he suggested that drinking makes the man wrecked, and when the man became wrecked, he got hallucinations, and when he hallucinated, he said bad words, and saying bad words is kadf and the punishment for kadf is 80 lashes.
So in other words, for you Quran is useless now. It only talks about past events. But here?s the problem, by this reasoning, you?re saying the sunna/kalima/hukm of Allah CHANGES but Allah insists that it doesn?t.
Quran is timeless and I say nothing about changing the words of God and his laws, the propblem is you think that by being clevere and suggest new laws according to Quran is forbidden which is in fact not banned .
There?s no point in knowing any asbab an nuzool because they were made up long after the Quran.
some could be but the majority were not .
