one Question for Quranists
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Of course, because Quran speaks of being drunk but doesn?t assign any punishement. However if the drunk causes any harm, that?s a separate judgement.
so Quran doesn't assign any punishement, we will not be clever and bring a punishement, is that what you want? .
well let me remind you that the punishement for a drunk has been proved from Quran by Omar Bno Al-Khatab when he suggested that drinking makes the man wrecked, and when the man became wrecked, he got hallucinations, and when he hallucinated, he said bad words, and saying bad words is kadf and the punishment for kadf is 80 lashes.
So in other words, for you Quran is useless now. It only talks about past events. But here?s the problem, by this reasoning, you?re saying the sunna/kalima/hukm of Allah CHANGES but Allah insists that it doesn?t.
Quran is timeless and I say nothing about changing the words of God and his laws, the propblem is you think that by being clevere and suggest new laws according to Quran is forbidden which is in fact not banned .
There?s no point in knowing any asbab an nuzool because they were made up long after the Quran.
some could be but the majority were not .
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"" in arabic language means the "enjoyment by desires" and the verse means that the prophet peace be upon him what he said is not anything from his own desires or someone played. everything he said is the truth.
ah by the way before at the time of the prophet there were poets, and they were Good in making sayings tough ones and the were called the speaker of hawa . that's why the verse said that the prophet is not like them.
the daleel is the interpretation of the word in arabic. you can look for it yourself.
Not al-hawa, HUWA. In HUWAA illa wahyun yuhaa (54/4)
I can cite another daleel from hadith but as I see you're not a follower of hadith.
the translation is wrong, God doesn't say "I forgive you" in fact he says "Afa Laho anka".Allah give thee grace! why didst thou grant them exemption until those who told the truth were seen by thee in a clear light, and thou hadst proved the liars?.
the prophet wanted from his uncle to enter Islam, and he just insisted , so he made no mistake
What does ?grace? mean? Why do you need grace if you didn?t do something wrong?
Uncle, what uncle? There?s no uncle in this ayah, this sura or even the whole Quran! The ayah is talking about a context of war between the believers and the kafireen and this is about the munafiqeen?
Do you read the Quran for yourself at all?
this is not a mistake, the prophet was busy and he was talking to the leaders of Quraish calling him to Islam, and this man who was blind, came and interupted them, so the prophet got angry and he didn't talk to him, and the verse came to blame the prophet not said that this thing was a mistake .
So this ?thing? is a mistake but the Prophet didn?t make a mistake then, lol? Who made the mistake then? Ask your mufassiroon?
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First of all,I know what you said and it doesn't make sense because in the Quran 'salamun alaykum' appears in both sentences and stand alone quotes. You need to check the other verses because like I already said the one I gave you was just an example.
Secondly, I'm off because I cannot discuss with anyone who is arrogant and disrespectful as you are. No one here is going to agree with anyone who shows them disrespect so you're just wasting your time.well, I think you want from me to flatter you !! isn't? ; sorry look for another guy can do it (the biggest liar is the flatterer).
one more thing, I'm not looking for anyone here to agree with me, I don't need him .
P.S don't talk about something, you don't know anything about it.
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ok, got it
the hadith has took a great part in studying it, so people came from everywhere to take ahadih after the death of prophet . So the question is why people want to study hadith if it was fabricated as guys here pretend ?
All the Salaf Asalih have been guided from God to study hadith and classified it
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here in this verse God said to the prophet that Quran must be interpreted .
and about the salaf asaleh " "
this verse is an order from God to ask the scholars .
Lol, this is your proof?
That is not proof Bro, seriously.
I asked you to prove that Ahadith are infallible.
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so Quran doesn't assign any punishement, we will not be clever and bring a punishement, is that what you want? .
You call it ?clever? but I have another name for it.
well let me remind you that the punishement for a drunk has been proved from Quran by Omar Bno Al-Khatab when he suggested that drinking makes the man wrecked, and when the man became wrecked, he got hallucinations, and when he hallucinated, he said bad words, and saying bad words is kadf and the punishment for kadf is 80 lashes.
That?s not proof ?from the Quran?, that?s proof from the hadith USING the Quran in an irrelevant way.
I know drunks who don?t do qadhf at all. So there?s no punishment for them, thank you.
Quran is timeless and I say nothing about changing the words of God and his laws, the propblem is you think that by being clevere and suggest new laws according to Quran is forbidden which is in fact not banned
Well if you believe ayah 10/99 then any person who leaves Islam is free. If you suggest any punishment, that?s not ?being clever?, that?s being ?anti-quranic?
some could be but the majority were not .
According to whose opinion? Your ulema again. Your entire Islam is made by your ulema.
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Not al-hawa, HUWA. In HUWAA illa wahyun yuhaa (54/4)
after asking about HUWA and its meanings , you to see what before Huma because Huwa is a Damir ishara.
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
By the Star when it goes down,
Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled,
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.
It is no less than inspiration sent down to him
He was taught by one Mighty in Power,
Endued with Wisdom for he appeared (in stately form)the verses described that the prophet's sayings besides Quran are also an inspiration. huwa means the prophet sayings .
What does ?grace? mean? Why do you need grace if you didn?t do something wrong?
Yes, it is wrong but it's not a mistake. when the teacher said to you that your sentence is wrong, that doesn't mean that your sentence is a mistake. wrong is not mistake, do you understand ?
plus the man who came to interupt them is mistaken, because he interupt two people talking. God blames the prophet not because he didn't want to talk to him, he blames him because he insists in talking with the people in calling him to Islam like he wants to force it .
Uncle, what uncle? There?s no uncle in this ayah, this sura or even the whole Quran! The ayah is talking about a context of war between the believers and the kafireen and this is about the munafiqeen?
I said uncle just to show the difference between the thread and the verses that you have stated. I know that Quran is timeless and this situation can be today too.
Do you read the Quran for yourself at all?
what's your point?
So this ?thing? is a mistake but the Prophet didn?t make a mistake then, lol? Who made the mistake then? Ask your mufassiroon?
No, he didn't make any mistake, as you said before it was wrong but surely it's not mistake.
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Lol, this is your proof?
That is not proof Bro, seriously.
I asked you to prove that Ahadith are infallible.ah so I misunderstood your question, so you want to know if the Ahadith are infallible .
ah well, the Ahadith are from the companions of the prophet peace be upon him, and the companions taught people about these ahadith, and people taught their kindered and so on until today. why do you think that Ahadith can be distorted known that Omar Bno Al-khatab has aware people that he will kill anyone tried to make up any hadith about prophet?
I knew poems before the birth of the prophet and before the call of Islam, so being seeing these poems alive means that ahadiths are also authentic and are from the prophet.
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I hope you understand what you wrote, as I see you can talk without a verse which is in fact you do not even understand it.
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Allah is the One Who has since communicated the Book as the Statement of Fact;
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and as Weighing Scale for ad judgment/evaluation/appreciation/weighing/Equityhttp//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/042.%20Ash%20Shoora/042.%20B%20Ash%20Shoora.htm
Shaitaan conjectures another criterion for self evaluation which is always delusive in nature since he is in search of finding his companions for life in the Hell.
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ah so I misunderstood your question, so you want to know if the Ahadith are infallible .
ah well, the Ahadith are from the companions of the prophet peace be upon him, and the companions taught people about these ahadith, and people taught their kindered and so on until today. why do you think that Ahadith can be distorted known that Omar Bno Al-khatab has aware people that he will kill anyone tried to make up any hadith about prophet?
I knew poems before the birth of the prophet and before the call of Islam, so being seeing these poems alive means that ahadiths are also authentic and are from the prophet.
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what's your point from this Ignoratio-elenchi ? is that mean that I take information by ignorance because of a false information already existed ?
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Philosophy will not serve you by any way , so answer the question or leave a beautiful trace behind you .
You don't know what I will do, so stop assuming .
the question is clear and the answer is clear as well, we follow Asalaf Asaleh . Imam Malik and Bukhari and Muslim and so on.
Selam
The answer maybe clear to you as you are a blind follower. To me I really have to be in that situation to make a decision. As for your sarcasm, well what can I say that others haven't, there you go another philosophical answer for you.
Peace
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Selam
The answer maybe clear to you as you are a blind follower. To me I really have to be in that situation to make a decision. As for your sarcasm, well what can I say that others haven't, there you go another philosophical answer for you.
Peacethe only blind I see is you, you think that following what Quran said and what prophet is blind beliefs, well let me applaud for you because I really don't want to be in your situation and as they said ?But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart...?, so keep going in seeing things with your eyes, your end will be always a blind , there you go another philosopical answer for you.
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the only blind I see is you, you think that following what Quran said and what prophet is blind beliefs, well let me applaud for you because I really don't want to be in your situation and as they said ?But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart...?, so keep going in seeing things with your eyes, your end will be always a blind , there you go another philosopical answer for you.
Allah has decided and pronounced through the Exalted Messenger in these plain and simple words who is blind;
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You, the Messenger pronounce for humanity, "That is a Guide and Healer for those people who have accepted ,
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and those who do not accept/believe, there is heaviness in their ears
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and that/Grand Qur'aan upon them is blinded/far distant,
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the only blind I see is you, you think that following what Quran said and what prophet is blind beliefs, well let me applaud for you because I really don't want to be in your situation and as they said ?But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart...?, so keep going in seeing things with your eyes, your end will be always a blind , there you go another philosopical answer for you.
Selam
You seem to be confused as to what you follow. I follow the word of Allah (written in the Quran). You seem to follow a list of exotic names and stories from the past. If this is not true then I have made a wrong judgement. Its a good thing that Allah is judging us and not you.
Peace
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Selam
You seem to be confused as to what you follow. I follow the word of Allah (written in the Quran). You seem to follow a list of exotic names and stories from the past. If this is not true then I have made a wrong judgement. Its a good thing that Allah is judging us and not you.
Peacethe problem is always over your eyes, I believe in Quran and I believe in Sunnah both of them are necessary in Islam. You believe in one thing / so think.
and by the way you know that what you said about sunnah is just a stories is the same thing that people said before which not make you better than him.
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peace
after asking about HUWA and its meanings , you to see what before Huma because Huwa is a Damir ishara.
I don't understand this sentence at all. Where is the verb? ???
Yes, it is wrong but it's not a mistake.
...it was wrong but surely it's not mistake.
If you do something wrong, you are making a mistake.
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I've just explained to him the way we say the words, so stop attacking me .
I have not attacked you. I asked you to please stop picking on people's spelling and making snide and ridiculing remarks.
Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner.
Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.
16125ok, you said that my post is full of mistakes, go ahead show me my mistakes and see how I'll respond
You obviously have too much time on your hands.
Regarding mistakes, we need to look no further than your next sentence
" Camel Never see his Humb"
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peace
I don't understand this sentence at all. Where is the verb? ???this is a " " we don't need a verb, plus " howa " is " "
If you do something wrong, you are making a mistake.
No, not necessary.
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I have not attacked you. I asked you to please stop picking on people's spelling and making snide and ridiculing remarks.
Yes, you did attack me, and stop bringing verses you don't understand them (an advice)
You obviously have too much time on your hands.
Regarding mistakes, we need to look no further than your next sentencethe proverb is correct " Camel never sees his Humb" , go figure. and it means that people never see their own mistakes yet they are making statements about others