Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Users
Skins
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse
Free Minds Forum Icon
  1. Home
  2. General Issues / Questions
  3. General Issues / Questions
  4. 43:18 Women not able to give clear expression to an argument in disputation ?

43:18 Women not able to give clear expression to an argument in disputation ?

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Issues / Questions
51 Posts 7 Posters 221 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • M Offline
    M Offline
    Mazhar
    wrote on last edited by
    #19

    Mazhar brother, is that your sacred duty to give loooooong and looooong links to your website with each and every translation of yours?

    Qur'aan explains the meanings of the words as well as clearly and distinctly elaborates the concepts discussed in it. Linkage of the verses explaining each other will take you to the correct answer. Just see how clearly the point was described yet people have been saying, many reputed scholars included, that women are weak in arguing and in support bring this verse which has nothing to do with women, a newly born baby rather. Link of continued verses is given to help read the context in continuation, for the one interested to read.

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • U Offline
      U Offline
      unknownuser
      wrote on last edited by
      #20

      Qur'aan explains the meanings of the words as well as clearly and distinctly elaborates the concepts discussed in it. Linkage of the verses explaining each other will take you to the correct answer. Just see how clearly the point was described yet people have been saying, many reputed scholars included, that women are weak in arguing and in support bring this verse which has nothing to do with women, a newly born baby rather. Link of continued verses is given to help read the context in continuation, for the one interested to read.

      ok, fair enough, but just make sure you split the link in 3 to 4 lines please. thanks

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • M Offline
        M Offline
        Mazhar
        wrote on last edited by
        #21

        ok, fair enough, but just make sure you split the link in 3 to 4 lines please. thanks

        Pl let me know what is the method of doing so.

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • T Offline
          T Offline
          Thereformer1
          wrote on last edited by
          #22

          Like Asad and many others are you also taking it as referring to a girl, despite being Arab?

          this is not for you Mazhar
          "Look , I will answer someone really wants to understand and learn and give also what he knows."

          Mazhar

          the verse is talking about the girl as they described it (the Arabs before) as a incomplete inside and oustide and she became complete when she wear jewellery and things for her beauty and she didn't get the right to speak or dispute and if someone agree with her and defend her, he will be with God according to their famous saying ( we got boys, and God got girls referring by girls to the angels ).

          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • A Offline
            A Offline
            Ayisha
            wrote on last edited by
            #23

            the verse is talking about the girl as they described it (the Arabs before) as a incomplete inside and oustide and she became complete when she wear jewellery and things for her beauty and she didn't get the right to speak or dispute and if someone agree with her and defend her, he will be with God according to their famous saying ( we got boys, and God got girls referring by girls to the angels ).

            not much different to what I said really, although I did say it is a warning that this is wrong.

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • M Offline
              M Offline
              Mazhar
              wrote on last edited by
              #24

              this is not for you Mazhar
              "Look , I will answer someone really wants to understand and learn and give also what he knows."

              Mazhar

              the verse is talking about the girl as they described it (the Arabs before) as a incomplete inside and oustide and she became complete when she wear jewellery and things for her beauty and she didn't get the right to speak or dispute and if someone agree with her and defend her, he will be with God according to their famous saying ( we got boys, and God got girls referring by girls to the angels ).

              But dear the red underlined word is a Verb Imperfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; Passive. Root which is obviously not talking about a newly born girl but is describing a general fact and psyche of majority of fathers about newly born sons. And the person who is in vague perplexity of thought is a particular person because of "Huwa" referring to one whom news of daughter's birth is given. How can one stretch the words of Allah to make them match to the perception of one's own wishful desire?

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • T Offline
                T Offline
                Thereformer1
                wrote on last edited by
                #25

                But dear the red underlined word is a Verb Imperfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; Passive. Root which is obviously not talking about a newly born girl but is describing a general fact and psyche of majority of fathers about newly born sons. And the person who is in vague perplexity of thought is a particular person because of "Huwa" referring to one whom news of daughter's birth is given. How can one stretch the words of Allah to make them match to the perception of one's own wishful desire?

                No, you misunderstood .

                the red underlined word is referring to the young girls.

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • M Offline
                  M Offline
                  Mazhar
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #26

                  No, you misunderstood .

                  the red underlined word is referring to the young girls.

                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/043.%20Az%20Zukhraf/43.18.gif

                  And whom the pronoun is referring to? is it also for "young girls or grown up women". Can you please translate the Arabic sentence for me, thanks.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • U Offline
                    U Offline
                    unknownuser
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #27

                    Pl let me know what is the method of doing so.

                    see this example brother

                    Source

                    or instead of "source" you can write whatever you like. for examply "read more" "from my website" anything! ;D
                    Note I put asterisk to disable the url tag

                    Source

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • M Offline
                      M Offline
                      Mazhar
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #28

                      see this example brother

                      Source

                      or instead of "source" you can write whatever you like. for examply "read more" "from my website" anything! ;D
                      Note I put asterisk to disable the url tag

                      I am practicing it
                      Could not do. Pl indicate the steps
                      http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/043.%20Az%20Zukhraf/043.%20B%20Az%20Zukhraf.htmSource

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • A Offline
                        A Offline
                        Ayisha
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #29

                        But dear the red underlined word is a Verb Imperfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; Passive. Root which is obviously not talking about a newly born girl but is describing a general fact and psyche of majority of fathers about newly born sons. And the person who is in vague perplexity of thought is a particular person because of "Huwa" referring to one whom news of daughter's birth is given. How can one stretch the words of Allah to make them match to the perception of one's own wishful desire?

                        sorry but doesnt the third person masculine here refer to 'he' as in the one who is the father of the new baby girl? The baby girl is this word
                        ???

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • M Offline
                          M Offline
                          Mazhar
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #30

                          sorry but doesnt the third person masculine here refer to 'he' as in the one who is the father of the new baby girl? The baby girl is this word
                          ???

                          Yes none else but only the father of newly born daughter whom news of birth is given.

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • U Offline
                            U Offline
                            unknownuser
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #31

                            I am practicing it
                            Could not do. Pl indicate the steps

                            only one link in one tag

                            use the brackets correctly

                            source

                            source

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • T Offline
                              T Offline
                              Thereformer1
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #32

                              http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/043.%20Az%20Zukhraf/43.18.gif

                              And whom the pronoun is referring to? is it also for "young girls or grown up women". Can you please translate the Arabic sentence for me, thanks.

                              the pronoun howa is referring to the girl , and you know why because of the first letters which they are "" it turned the whole sentence speaks in the singular term but the context is about the girl, this is called eloquent sentence. I think you can find like this thing in classic poems(Arabic ones).

                              P.S when I said the girl ( it means child girl, adult girl , woman too) . the whole stages in a woman's life.

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • A Offline
                                A Offline
                                Ayisha
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #33

                                the pronoun howa is referring to the girl , and you know why because of the first letters which they are "" it turned the whole sentence speaks in the singular term but the context is about the girl, this is called eloquent sentence. I think you can find like this thing in classic poems(Arabic ones).

                                so not grown woman but babies/girl child, thanks

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • M Offline
                                  M Offline
                                  Mazhar
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #34

                                  the pronoun howa is referring to the girl , and you know why because of the first letters which they are "" it turned the whole sentence speaks in the singular term but the context is about the girl, this is called eloquent sentence. I think you can find like this thing in classic poems(Arabic ones).

                                  P.S when I said the girl ( it means child girl, adult girl , woman too) . the whole stages in a woman's life.

                                  I have not so far exchanged any joke in serious matters of the verses of Qur'aan. What type of eloquence is this to convert a masculine into a feminine? And consider a singular masculine personal pronoun as referring to a woman and call it eloquence?

                                  "" is also here
                                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.122a.gif
                                  Can he, who was matter/dead-like non responsive to word and light, then/for reason We gave him life and appointed for him visible light with the help of which he freely moves within people,
                                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.122b.gif
                                  be exemplified like the one who is plunged in the layers of darkness from where he can never exit?

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • T Offline
                                    T Offline
                                    Thereformer1
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #35

                                    I have not so far exchanged any joke in serious matters of the verses of Qur'aan. What type of eloquence is this to convert a masculine into a feminine? And consider a singular masculine personal pronoun as referring to a woman and call it eloquence?

                                    "" is also here
                                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.122a.gif
                                    Can he, who was matter/dead-like non responsive to word and light, then/for reason We gave him life and appointed for him visible light with the help of which he freely moves within people,
                                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/006.%20Al%20Anaam/temp%2002%206.122b.gif
                                    be exemplified like the one who is plunged in the layers of darkness from where he can never exit?

                                    I wasn't kidding, and about your next verse, it means both of gender male and female and God used just the singular pronoun of masculine referring to both of the gender whether it is a man or a woman .

                                    for the first >> the verse is talking about girls, I didn't want to explain to you how and why because it takes time, I need to show a lot of things from grammar to the use of prounouns and here you need a lessons first, that's why I said that "" turned the sentence from masculine to feminine not as a joke, just to resume what I will get from my final lessons if I do want to give you but it will take time sorry.

                                    P.S let me concentrate in the verse and I will see if I can explain to you the whole verse.

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    0
                                    • M Offline
                                      M Offline
                                      Mazhar
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #36

                                      I wasn't kidding, and about your next verse, it means both of gender male and female and God used just the singular pronoun of masculine referring to both of the gender whether it is a man or a woman .

                                      for the first >> the verse is talking about girls, I didn't want to explain to you how and why because it takes time, I need to show a lot of things from grammar to the use of prounouns and here you need a lessons first, that's why I said that "" turned the sentence from masculine to feminine not as a joke, just to resume what I will get from my final lessons if I do want to give you but it will take time sorry.

                                      P.S let me concentrate in the verse and I will see if I can explain to you the whole verse.

                                      It is the basic that we begin with third person singular masculine. But it does not necessarily means that it includes or refers to a woman. At such places, with "Man" it is clarified whether be a man or be a woman. However waiting for your lessons.

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      0
                                      • WakasW Offline
                                        WakasW Offline
                                        Wakas
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #37

                                        the pronoun howa is referring to the girl , and you know why because of the first letters which they are "" it turned the whole sentence speaks in the singular term but the context is about the girl, this is called eloquent sentence. I think you can find like this thing in classic poems(Arabic ones).

                                        If so, please provide actual examples from Al Quran. Thanks.

                                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • T Offline
                                          T Offline
                                          Thereformer1
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #38

                                          It is the basic that we begin with third person singular masculine. But it does not necessarily means that it includes or refers to a woman. At such places, with "Man" it is clarified whether be a man or be a woman. However waiting for your lessons.

                                          ok, Al-Hamdo-Lilah, you will like my explanation forget what I said before and see this.

                                          "" means in english the one who .

                                          "" >> here God is still referring to the first peron mentioned "the one who" without specifying the Gender of this person . "" means in english raises in or for.

                                          "" means In .

                                          "" means the things of beauty which are for woman and girls like Gold and jewellery and Harir .

                                          " " means And .

                                          "" means him referring to the person who raises in . So God is still pointing out that he talkes about a gender of human . This gender is mentioned by the word "" which as I said things for beauty for woman . the act that raising in a place where things of beauty are for woman only . so now you are ok that the whole sentence is about a person, we have knew the gender of this person by the things he do or he will do such as things beauty which just for woman.

                                          " " means in Disputing or in arguing or in talking with someone .

                                          " " that he can't defend his situation by strong arguments because the community where he lives through history doesn't give the right to speak or to defend his issues.

                                          so let's see how the sentence is going to be

                                          That the one who raises in a place for doing things of beauty and wearing things of beauty for himself (woman)and that he can't defend his arguments in a disputing .

                                          I hope you get what I mean .

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          0
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Users