Some more challenge for Arab linguists
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Very disappointing again. People have no answers for very basic questions. I do not know, how one can look into mirror have clear conscious? When claiming to understand the message. Acting according to message would be really a stretch under such circumstances.
Peace,
Badar
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If you think that they are basic questions , then why disappointed when having no answer. just try google !
salam
Disappointed due to the dichotomy between claims to know all without proof of it. Due lack of interest in efforts to understand Rabb's message, despite seeing proof of lack of such understanding. Due lack of appetite in progress and continued apathy in a nation, who has already hit rock bottom of all nations. Who was supposed to be a leader in all fronts of knowledge? Due this lack in knowledge, they can not claim for Rabb to be a rabbi alAAalameen, for them. The list can go on and on.
Peace,
Badar
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Disappointed due to the dichotomy between claims to know all without proof of it. Due lack of interest in efforts to understand Rabb's message, despite seeing proof of lack of such understanding. Due lack of appetite in progress and continued apathy in a nation, who has already hit rock bottom of all nations. Who was supposed to be a leader in all fronts of knowledge? Due this lack in knowledge, they can not claim for Rabb to be a rabbi alAAalameen, for them. The list can go on and on.
Peace,
Badar
I can't remember...can you please tell which one of the members claimed ti know all ?? or os this just in your mind ?
Salam
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Peace,
Quickduck, you are completely correct about your conclusions. So that you didn't sound arrogant to non-Arabic speakers (dialect or otherwise) you should have pointed to the fact that you were educated in Arabic and were born into an Arabic speaking family. To be honest, you might have been born into a family that speaks Arabic dialects but not the Classical Arabic of the Jahiliyyah and the Quran as is the case for most Arabs. So I'm not knocking you, as again you are much more correct than Badar. (honestly I don't even understand what Badar's motives are, as they don't seem to be education). But being born an Arabic speaker (technically no one is born speaking any language, but they are born into a family that speaks a certain language) doesn't automatically make you a qualified expert on Arabic grammar. Believe me I've seen it many times with people born into Arabic speaking families or countries. It's more about how you were educated in Classical Arabic (since first grade, your father or mother taught you (not a dialect but Classical), kindergarten, in a university, etc., etc) that makes you qualified.
Godbless,
AnwarI can't remember...can you please tell which one of the members claimed ti know all ?? or os this just in your mind ?
Salam
Peace,
i was born arabic speaker, i don't need to bring any argument.
Who can see any verb in the name of Abou/abaa/abii hurayra ?? You ??
So, you better change your signature because you're far far away from respecting it !salam,
yes,it is neither a verb nor a noun.
it is composed of Three initals (أ and (ب and (ي .i will count the number of occurences in that chapter of every initial and with some luck , maybe they will add up to 19 divisible.
rotflsalam
Peace, may be you did not mean it. But this is how it came across.
Badar
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Badar,
Please do not use my quote to try to insinuate that quickduck thinks he knows it all. I never said that, insinuated that or thought that. I was just trying to help him be more transparent on why he does know 50 times more than you on the subject of Arabic grammar so that you can know why he knows 50 times more than you know about Arabic grammar. Please by all means, defer to him. I don't meant to insult you but your questions are oftentimes . . well . . . meaningless from my perspective and are things that you should be able to figure out on your own. Why you cannot, I am not really sure why. Which is what makes me think that you really have figured out the answers to your questions and are asking them for some alternative motive. Look at the provocativeness of this topic or in how you taunt to try to get someone to answer you. It makes me think that you are not really seeking education, but maybe just a good fight. Anyway please defer to quickduck if he chooses to answer any of your questions. I'll be sure to jump in and make corrections if need be, to help you understand a point. Well, I'm done.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Badar,
I'll be sure to jump in and make corrections if need be, to help you understand a point. Well, I'm done.Godbless,
AnwarPeace, please help quickduck here, he needs it desperately. Has not been able figure out this one,
quickduck, greatly appreciate your response. I would be happy to discuss grammatical issues, you are raising about the word under discussion. But let me ask, do you agree with my conclusion about female makers as not a part of roots of words? In addition, not imparting or changing actual meanings of the roots, besides just changing sex of the meaning of root word.
Peace,
Badar
Badar,
It makes me think that you are not really seeking education, but maybe just a good fight. Anyway please defer to quickduck if he chooses to answer any of your questions. I'll be sure to jump in and make corrections if need be, to help you understand a point. Well, I'm done.
Godbless,
AnwarMay be your are talking animals education, where the transfer of information is thought to be one way. Or is it again indicative of same mind frame that, lead me to include your post with quickduck's. I know it all. Either, as birth right or just because I think so. Both of these characteristics are determinant for education.
There is no fight here. Only purpose is to understand message, by learning linguistic principles. When more than one principle is applicable, to question. Why one is considered over other, in translation? Specially when one principle seems to make meaning more profound and universal compared with, one used in traditional translations.
Peace,
Badar
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Badar,
i hope you get well very soonsalam
Dear quickduck, thanks for your concerns about my well being. I would really feel good and well; if people would participate in discussion about learning language of AlQuran with open mind and free-mind.
Peace,
Badar
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My question to all, who claim to know Arabic as language, is as follows.
What does word conceptually means? I am going to elaborate further, since some friends feel, I am trying to play games with them. May be I know answer already and trying to make others look bad or else this is some sort of a fight. I can assure them, that it is neither.
What I am asking is NOT, how this term is used in grammar as a term. But my question pertains to more the concept of this word based upon its root. Why was this chosen by masters of grammar over any other xyz word as term to describe? What it describes? Because, when I looked up meanings of root, it opens up lot of avenues in understanding. I am just putting up this query, in pure learning spirit. Hence, I am elaborating it, as well. I would appreciate comments with ones own understanding or based upon learning; if needed I would be happy to further elaborate on my part, about query itself or understanding on my part.
Peace,
Badar
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Dear bkanwar2
With all due respect and I mean all due respect, get a grip of yourself. Some of the stuff (dribble) you put out on this Forum along with your buddy abdhur nur confuses yourself, let alone other members.
If you really have a problem understanding an Arabic word, catch a flight, go to Saudi Arabia, find a specialist in Quranic Arabic and ask him/her in person. Job done.
Stop confusing the sh@@ out of yourself and others. I am sure you have no problem understanding the language I have just spoken and you don't need Lanes Lexicon to work my words out.
Peace
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Please share your understanding as to word is a noun or verb? or else it is neither of these two. Thanks in advance.
Badar
is a noun .
is a verb .
the noun is totally different comparing to the verb, and no relation between both of them.
the verb means "to refuse" or "to reject"
the noun is " " and it means "my father" .
your question ends here and take it as read .
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Dear bkanwar2
With all due respect and I mean all due respect, get a grip of yourself. Some of the stuff (dribble) you put out on this Forum along with your buddy abdhur nur confuses yourself, let alone other members.
If you really have a problem understanding an Arabic word, catch a flight, go to Saudi Arabia, find a specialist in Quranic Arabic and ask him/her in person. Job done.
Stop confusing the sh@@ out of yourself and others. I am sure you have no problem understanding the language I have just spoken and you don't need Lanes Lexicon to work my words out.
Peace
Dear Zulu12, you know any one there who even talks about; what is not according to doctrines of Kingdumb, let alone to teach something. If you do, please share his/her where abouts.
is a noun .
is a verb .
the noun is totally different comparing to the verb, and no relation between both of them.
the verb means "to refuse" or "to reject"
the noun is " " and it means "my father" .
your question ends here and take it as read .
Please share your referances.
Peace,
Badar
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Please share your referances.
Peace,
BadarI am Arabic , and the language is in my vains, I even made poem "classical ones" you'll not understand a word from them.
did I say to you what does "he" means ? or give share your reference of "he" and its meaning ? get real.
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Dear bkanwar2
Now you claim that no one in KSA speaks Arabic or understands Quranic Arabic and everything is a concocted 'kingdumbness' with no teachers, is not surprising in the least considering you are someone who doesn't even acknowledge the term God in any language and believes there is no God but you want to study about God!
Do you even accept that the Arabic language even exists, or is it just a figment of your imagination?
Why don't you for once share your references rather than asking everyone else for theirs.
Here, I'll share my reference for the nonsense that comes out your mouth.
Main Entry non?sense
Pronunciation \n?n-sen(t)s, n?n(t)-sn(t)s
Function noun
Date 16141 a words or language having no meaning or conveying no intelligible ideas b (1) language, conduct, or an idea that is absurd or contrary to good sense (2) an instance of absurd action
2 a things of no importance or value trifles b affected or impudent conduct <took no nonsense from subordinates>Source - Merriam Webster Dictionary
Peace
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Dear bkanwar2
Now you claim that no one in KSA speaks Arabic or understands Quranic Arabic and everything is a concocted 'kingdumbness' with no teachers, is not surprising in the least considering you are someone who doesn't even acknowledge the term God in any language and believes there is no God but you want to study about God!
Do you even accept that the Arabic language even exists, or is it just a figment of your imagination?
Why don't you for once share your references rather than asking everyone else for theirs.
Here, I'll share my reference for the nonsense that comes out your mouth.
Main Entry non?sense
Pronunciation \n?n-sen(t)s, n?n(t)-sn(t)s
Function noun
Date 16141 a words or language having no meaning or conveying no intelligible ideas b (1) language, conduct, or an idea that is absurd or contrary to good sense (2) an instance of absurd action
2 a things of no importance or value trifles b affected or impudent conduct <took no nonsense from subordinates>Source - Merriam Webster Dictionary
Peace
No generalities please. Be specific, what references you are looking from me. Go and look most of my post they are backed up mostly by references whenever needed or asked for. Which particular reference do you need? I would we happy to give to you. Would you then accept the truth based upon verification or continue your ancestor?s ways?
Peace,
Badar
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Dear bkanwar2
Please give me the English translation and meaning of 'God' and then give me a breakdown of why all translators of the Quran in English have used this term 'God' and why you are right and they are wrong.
Also give me your personal translation of the Quran from Arabic to English which you have personally carried out and has been verified as correct by independent 3rd parties and is currently in mass circulation.
P.S. Include all references for the above.
Peace
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Salaam Bkanwar2,
Zulu12 is a flamer, as their called on the internet, they only have interest in pointless, thoughtless arguments, they wish people to waste their time in childish and worthless name calling, I have him set to ignore on the forum, the best thing to do with flamers is to ignore their insanity.
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Dear Abdhun Nur
Oh my God. The dead has spoken. I was wondering when the servant of confusion was going to make an appearance. Have you closed down the website yet?
'sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me'.
Do you have any concept what the above phrase means? No, it does not mean that the ice cream van is down the street and I need a dollar to get one otherwise the moon is going to bounce on earth and just miss my house!
Buddy. Don't hate.
Give your partner in crime a hand, or get back into the straitjacket.
Peace