Taking off the Hijab
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Are you Muslim? if Yes , so you better go and look and figure out . sleeping with a woman without legal law, you deserve a punishment "Jald". so it's the same punishment will take a prostitute.
the same punishment does not make the same crime. You have accused chaste women and should have 80 lashes, does that make you 80% a prostitute? ???
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men sleep with women for pleasure and money too, certainly here men sleep with men for money too then go home to their wives and put food on the table for the family with the money they made.
I don't care, they are a bunch >>> I'm talking about the whole country rotfl
why bother with statistics, you wont believe them anyway as you claim 42% is the majority because many lied ???
hahaha, Way to go , no statistics you have yet you're casting the first stone . keep going yay
I wasnt aware I was defending anyone, I was correcting your misinformed definition of a prostitute
You're defending them, you wasn't correcting the term "prostitute", in fact because you're from UK that's why you are attacking Muslims because of your country. I'm wondering if there will be a war between Muslims and uk, what side do you choose ? I doubt you'll choose Muslims .
because there are muslim prostitutes, male and female yes, are you?
they are 100, 1000 or even 10.000 Muslims >>>>> look there they are 42% , I think the population in Uk is 60,975,000, so count elektro
I question you have a brain at all or that you know anything of Quran.
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And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after for such men are wicked transgressors;-I have statistics and this verse for woman in Islam not outside it. and by the way this verse is for you because you have said (thousands of Muslims) a lie.
In muslim countries many of the men are prostitutes as well as the women.
any proof ????? see above (the verse that you have stated). you're attacking Muslims, are you Muslim?
No idea what you mean by dark side, the only dark I see here is your mind.
hahah, defending the prostitutes, I know that you're following your desires (satan and evil spirit).
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and about circumicise , I did say that they said that it is for reason (their in Egypt), so don't claim that it was my idea, that's what I heard and what I read.
You did not get my point. What I was saying was that anyone who believes the idiotic claim that there is a necessity to circumsize women, clearly also believes that women don't have the same right as men to enjoy sex. Because let's face it -- the reason being given for this barbaric crime is always that a woman's libido should be curbed or elimininated.
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I'm not getting involved in this show, as I don't want to get caught in the cross-fire! This is 5 star ratings and worthy of an Oscar.
But I will state that prostitution is rife in all countries and societies regardless of religion or creed. Some is blatantly in your face and some is very undercover, and it involves both sexes.
Anyway, getting back to today's episode.
Keep it going.
Peace
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I don't care, they are a bunch >>> I'm talking about the whole country rotfl
I have statistics
hahah, defending the prostitutes, I know that you're following your desires (satan and evil spirit).
Do they not travel through the land, so that their hearts (and minds) may thus learn wisdom and their ears may thus learn to hear?
Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts.
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The bold is correct, the rest is nonsense. A prostitute, as has been repeatedly explained to you, sleeps with men for money. Not for pleasure or as a hobby.
No, some are just looking for pleasure .some girls find sex as a hobby (the same for guys) .
It is not your right, or mine, to judge them. Do you know that millions of women in this world have no choice in this matter, they are being forced into prostitution by others, or by circumstances because they and their children would otherwise starve?
I'm not judging anyone, she or he judged herself/himself by being prostitute. I know that there are some of them are forced into prostitution, but that doesn't make them not prostitutes.
Who are you to judge anyone without knowing them and their motives?
I'm not Judging, I've statistics and they said that those women chose to sleep with more than a man, so by definition they are prostitutes.
And you are a hypocrite too. There are many Muslim men in this world who marry a second, third, or fourth wife for sex only, for pleasure, as a hobby, because they like more variety in bed, because they are too weak to stay faithful to their wifes and so on. I bet you are not judging them by the same standards as you are judging women. Shame on you!
the only hypocrite in this website I see is you pretending to be a Muslim but you're just trying to ruin Islam (taking off hijab, hadith is rubbish, prostitution, it's ok, being Imama it's ok, ...etc) . this is not a Muslim woman.
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You did not get my point. What I was saying was that anyone who believes the idiotic claim that there is a necessity to circumsize women, clearly also believes that women don't have the same right as men to enjoy sex. Because let's face it -- the reason being given for this barbaric crime is always that a woman's libido should be curbed or elimininated.
I don't care, I've just read it and heard of it in TV, and they have said what I told you, for my opinion I don't know and it is not my business after all, we (my coutry) didn't circumcise girls . Game over.
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your eagerness in defending them, makes questions about you
What on earth are you insinuating? I should be shocked at this statement, but knowing the illogical twists and turns in previous posts, I'm just amazed that it still continues. Apologise please, this is way beyond a decent discussion.On the topic of "I'm a hijabi and I'm proud of it", some women in my extended family carry this to the extreme. In Disneyworld, in the summer, the full works...gloves, eyes covered etc. Apparently, a crowd of kids thought it was a ninja show. No kidding, they even said it out loud. Everywhere they went, many people stared. It's the same as a woman wearing an extremely revealing dress and going out in a mixed gathering of men, women, children and the pets. Inappropriate. It draws attention, just the opposite extremes of the same coin...both parties consider it their right to wear what they choose and for people to mind their own business. They are proud of what they are and don't mind showing it. Great for drawing the mobs upon themselves, provoking a reaction. In the former case what's frustrating is that it's considered god ordained. Thus, one must be free of criticism in the former and those that say it's inappropriate or stare/comment, their day will come.
I think what the women in this thread are trying to say all along is that it's not god ordained, that those that wear it and act condescending, those that insist that others must wear it or suffer the consequences etc should really stuff it. That's it. Many people wear cultural/ethnic clothes (head scarfs for example on one hand, skirts/blouses on the other), nothing wrong with it...there should be tolerance on both sides. But on both sides also there are examples of taking it too far and of inappropriateness.
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I don't care, they are a bunch >>> I'm talking about the whole country rotfl
Yes you are accusing a whole country of prostitution, including all the muslims that live in those countries. well done bravohahaha, Way to go , no statistics you have yet you're casting the first stone . keep going yay
no you cast the first stone and you brought false statistics then also claimed they were the majority because many lied. You not only accused entire countries of prostitution but also of being liars, keep going.You're defending them, you wasn't correcting the term "prostitute", in fact because you're from UK that's why you are attacking Muslims because of your country. I'm wondering if there will be a war between Muslims and uk, what side do you choose ? I doubt you'll choose Muslims .
now we get to the rediculous as normal with you. It is clear from anyone reading I was correcting your WRONG definition of a prostitute. You are obviously not aware how many muslims are living in UK from many countries and natives who have converted.they are 100, 1000 or even 10.000 Muslims >>>>> look there they are 42% , I think the population in Uk is 60,975,000, so count elektro
more babble to show you are trying to get away from your error.I have statistics and this verse for woman in Islam not outside it. and by the way this verse is for you because you have said (thousands of Muslims) a lie.
the verse is for both of us but I am quite sure I could bring more than 4 witnesses to back up my claim whereas you cannot bring 1 WITNESS to back up your claim that all girls in UK and western countries are not virgins or are prostitutes.any proof ????? see above (the verse that you have stated). you're attacking Muslims, are you Muslim?
hahah, defending the prostitutes, I know that you're following your desires (satan and evil spirit).No its you who are following your desires as you would rather believe all western girls are prostitutes. Yes I have proof that many men here give sexual favours for money, where is your proof ALL western nation women are prostitutes or not virgins?
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Do they not travel through the land, so that their hearts (and minds) may thus learn wisdom and their ears may thus learn to hear?
Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts.
(2246)I think you should understand this verse then you can choose it as a reply because the person who defend sleeping with man without marriage is you not me . who is the blind?
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What on earth are you insinuating? I should be shocked at this statement, but knowing the illogical twists and turns in previous posts, I'm just amazed that it still continues. Apologise please, this is way beyond a decent discussion.
Yes, I agree with what you said , but I'm just confused in why she defends the case when woman sleeps with more than a man without marriage ? and she defends prostitution as well?
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Yes, I agree with what you said , but I'm just confused in why she defends the case when woman sleeps with more than a man without marriage ? and she defends prostitution as well?
show me the post where I have defended anything BUT the incorrect definition of a prostitute.
if a woman OR a man is a prostitute it is not for me to JUDGE as you are doing. Only God knows whats in their hearts, not me and certainly not YOU.
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Yes, I agree with what you said , but I'm just confused in why she defends the case when woman sleeps with more than a man without marriage ? and she defends prostitution as well?
If you agree, then apologise and don't make such insinuations again. It is irrelevant whether in your mind she's "defending the case" as the jumping board to insinuating what you did. It's clear to everyone else, that you're confused yes. Read the posts again slowly and carefully...if that doesn't suffice, go read the definition of a prostitute. The derogatory word you're confusing with prostitute is "slut". The latter sleep with multiple men regardless of pay. -
the only hypocrite in this website I see is you pretending to be a Muslim but you're just trying to ruin Islam (taking off hijab, hadith is rubbish, prostitution, it's ok, being Imama it's ok, ...etc) . this is not a Muslim woman.
Look, you can call me whatever you wish. It is not up to you to decide who is a Muslim and who is not.
I would like you to get your facts straight though. I have nowhere declared that I think prostitution is ok. I abhor it, but that does not mean I can judge or look down on women who do this. But I consider this subject closed for now because this issue does not belong here, and the thread is going OT.
May God forgive you for all the times you've declared takfir on people. hypno
who is the blind?
This verse speaks of wisdom and the need to see things for yourself before jumping to conclusions. It also speaks about the necessity to listen to your heart.
I see no heart whatsoever in your statements, no mercy or kindness. Just hatred and condescension based on hearsay and prejudices people have been feeding you.
Ayisha lives in a Muslim country, she has simply described what she observed. You, on the other hand, have not been to the countries whose inhabitants you so eloquently curse and describe as a bunch of morally depraved people.
So who of the two of you has "travelled through the land" and used their eyes and heart? Certainly not you.
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Yes you are accusing a whole country of prostitution, including all the muslims that live in those countries. well done bravo
No, I'm just talking about the native people, the immigrants of Muslims are away from my statistics .the statistics talked about women in UK , none of them was a muslim woman.
no you cast the first stone and you brought false statistics then also claimed they were the majority because many lied.
aha , she will lie for what ? these are statistics, she will not get famous if she said I sleep with four men.
You not only accused entire countries of prostitution but also of being liars, keep going.
God knows . I accused just the women in statistics and because they are more than 42% and the population is more than 60.000.000 men and women, so by counting you'll get the majority and we will exclude Muslims women because none of them in these statistics.
now we get to the rediculous as normal with you. It is clear from anyone reading I was correcting your WRONG definition of a prostitute. You are obviously not aware how many muslims are living in UK from many countries and natives who have converted.
No, I'm right . you're defending them not the word .
more babble to show you are trying to get away from your error.
I don't know what are you talking about ? !!!!!!!!!!!
the verse is for both of us but I am quite sure I could bring more than 4 witnesses to back up my claim whereas you cannot bring 1 WITNESS to back up your claim that all girls in UK and western countries are not virgins or are prostitutes.
No, it's not. you could bring more than 4 witness, they will witness theirselves. rotfl
http//www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN1265950
this england http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/4889570.stm
No its you who are following your desires as you would rather believe all western girls are prostitutes.
I don't say anything without proof . look at yourself .
http//www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad384.pdf
Yes I have proof that many men here give sexual favours for money, where is your proof ALL western nation women are prostitutes or not virgins?
ok , give me your proof ??? I have put a lot of prrofs about what I said . now is your turn .
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I don't care, I've just read it and heard of it in TV, and they have said what I told you
Wow -- you heard it on TV. That must make it true then. Obviously it never crossed your mind for a second that it is a clear violation of God's instructions in the Qur'an which you supposedly know so well.
Hard to believe that this is coming from the same person who screams for scientific proofs and statistics all the time ... ???
edit Could you please quote correctly? The statements in your above posts are not mine. Thanks.
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show me the post where I have defended anything BUT the incorrect definition of a prostitute.
well, everything is on the board, so read what you wrote, I'm not going to waste my time in bringing your posts.
if a woman OR a man is a prostitute it is not for me to JUDGE as you are doing. Only God knows whats in their hearts, not me and certainly not YOU.
I'm not Judging, I'm just saying the truth that there are prostitution whether they are Muslims(are less) or not(are more), but as I see you have jumped from your chair when it was about your country.
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Wow -- you heard it on TV. That must make it true then. Obviously it never crossed your mind for a second that it is a clear violation of God's instructions in the Qur'an which you supposedly know so well.
could you please stop taking what you want to reply ? I've said I just heard it in TV and I told you what they said , I don't care and for my opinion I don't know and it is not my business . so next time take my whole post or don't and leave it.
Hard to believe that this is coming from the same person who screams for scientific proofs and statistics all the time ... ???
Yeah, I always have statistics and scientific facts . deal with it.
edit Could you please quote correctly? The statements in your above posts are not mine. Thanks.
done ; sorry .
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Look, you can call me whatever you wish. It is not up to you to decide who is a Muslim and who is not.
I didn't call you, I've said this is not Muslim woman >>> it's not about you. I mean who agreed with this non-Islamic issues, it is not real Muslim. so you have called yourself .
May God forgive you for all the times you've declared takfir on people. hypno
No, I didn't poit out to this thing, and I'll never do it and God knows what's in my heart, so stop putting words in my mouth . my posts were "are you a Muslim" which is a question , you can say yes or no .
the other one "this is not a Muslim women" which means that I'm talking in general , so I didn't mention anyone from you, I just said that this things are not a Muslim women deeds.This verse speaks of wisdom and the need to see things for yourself before jumping to conclusions. It also speaks about the necessity to listen to your heart.
Your heart can be deceptive, don't forget taking with you your brain .
I see no heart whatsoever in your statements, no mercy or kindness. Just hatred and condescension based on hearsay and prejudices people have been feeding you.
well, you don't know .
Ayisha lives in a Muslim country, she has simply described what she observed.
she observed two or three person or even 10 persons and she said many , what's that supposed to mean and then she said thousands, she was there or what ?
You, on the other hand, have not been to the countries whose inhabitants you so eloquently curse and describe as a bunch of morally depraved people.
I brought statistics not like her .just bla bla bla without any proofs.
So who of the two of you has "travelled through the land" and used their eyes and heart? Certainly not you.
that doens't mean she said thousands (1000000......) which is a huge number . so she lied .
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well, everything is on the board, so read what you wrote, I'm not going to waste my time in bringing your posts.
Exactly. Everything is on the board, and it is clear for everyone except you to see that your accusations were wrong. So why not apologize and let it go instead of insisting?
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Wow -- you heard it on TV. That must make it true then. Obviously it never crossed your mind for a second that it is a clear violation of God's instructions in the Qur'an which you supposedly know so well.
could you please stop taking what you want to reply ? I've said I just heard it in TV and I told you what they said , I don't care and for my opinion I don't know and it is not my business . so next time take my whole post or don't and leave it.
What are you talking about? Yes, you said you heard it on TV, and that's what I quoted.
You made a very careless statement about a serious issue when you previously claimed that there is a "necessity" to circumcize girls in Egypt. You also told me that you know "more about the issue" than I do, thus suggesting you have done extensive research on the subject.
Then you retracted and said you "just heard it on TV". The Qur'an (and common sense) tell us that this is in no way sufficient to base a claim on.
Now you are saying you don't have an opinion and don't know anything about the issue; then why did you make those statements in the first place? You are contradicting yourself.
Yeah, I always have statistics and scientific facts . deal with it.
Erm ... no. You keep asking for statistics or scientific proof, then you reject it and say you don't care for science (as in the left hand -- right hand thread, for example). And when asked by others to verify your claims, you hardly ever give solid statistics, let alone credible sources.