Taking off the Hijab
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you want just to give it a meaning >>> a prostitute who has slept with men without marriage, without legal contract between her and him .
I think all Europe Girls and usa Girls have had slept in high school with many guys, but they married another guys . and I've read a statistics that none of the girls in usa are vergin let alone girls in Europe, so I called them prostitutes.
because the term is valid for every woman had slept with man without marriage .
I would be interested to know what you think of women who HAVE actually been prostitutes, I mean the real meaning as in paid for sex, but have later converted to Islam? Your sweeping generalizations are still judging them as prostitutes. Does your 'god' you follow have no mercy?
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men are just weak animals that cant control themselves, its those uncovered women that are at fault ;D
ahh a world without women would be.............full of trees and animals and no men too bravoPeace,
Respectfully.I must disagree.
Most men might be as you put it, but not all men.
Some men can control themselves and walk by fully naked women and feel nothing of a sexual nature.
Also, i would not like a world without women, i lived in London for a while and when i was hanging with sunnis, we were always without women and it was boring. Women are nice, of course, my soulmate is more beautiful then let's say Rihanna but then again who am i to talk? ;DPeace.
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I must disagree.
Most men might be as you put it, but not all men.
Some men can control themselves and walk by fully naked women and feel nothing of a sexual nature.
Also, i would not like a world without women, i lived in London for a while and when i was hanging with sunnis, we were always without women and it was boring. Women are nice, of course, my soulmate is more beautiful then let's say Rihanna but then again who am i to talk? ;DAlen, I believe Ayisha's post was tongue-in-cheek. She was referring to the argument that women MUST wear hijab because men are just not able to behave if they see a woman who is not completely covered.
As you rightly noticed, this is a very derogatory view of men. Personally, I fully agree that most men are not as described above. Men are not animals, flies, wolves, lions, slaves to their instincts, as we so often hear.
Despite the fact that I've complained about street harassment on this thread, my overall experience with men is not like that. I have always mingled with men, I have close male friends, and I have never had any negative experiences. But that is exactly why I believe harassment is not an issue of how women dress, but how men are brought up, how they perceive women etc. And that's why it bothers me when people who have never lived in an environment where interaction with women is normal and nobody obsesses about how they dress, insist that the women are being responsible for bad male behaviour.
peace
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Peace,
Respectfully.I must disagree.
Most men might be as you put it, but not all men.
Some men can control themselves and walk by fully naked women and feel nothing of a sexual nature.
Also, i would not like a world without women, i lived in London for a while and when i was hanging with sunnis, we were always without women and it was boring. Women are nice, of course, my soulmate is more beautiful then let's say Rihanna but then again who am i to talk? ;DPeace.
peace Alen it was sarcasm, no way do I mean men are like that, certainly my husband is not anything like an animal, neither was my dad nor my son and many many men I know.
It is based on what the traditionalists would have us think when saying why a woman should cover everything but one eye to see with and stay in the home so as not to cause fitna.
It may take time but you will get used to my sense of humour eventually angel
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Alen, I believe Ayisha's post was tongue-in-cheek. She was referring to the argument that women MUST wear hijab because men are just not able to behave if they see a woman who is not completely covered.
As you rightly noticed, this is a very derogatory view of men. Personally, I fully agree that most men are not as described above. Men are not animals, flies, wolves, lions, slaves to their instincts, as we so often hear.
Despite the fact that I've complained about street harassment on this thread, my overall experience with men is not like that. I have always mingled with men, I have close male friends, and I have never had any negative experiences. But that is exactly why I believe harassment is not an issue of how women dress, but how men are brought up, how they perceive women etc. And that's why it bothers me when people who have never lived in an environment where interaction with women is normal and nobody obsesses about how they dress, insist that the women are being responsible for bad male behaviour.
peace
as ever you say it much better than I ever could ;D
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So again you think its down to the woman to remind you? I thought it was supposed to be women that needed reminding of things.
Women are only refereed in the quran to being reminded when they get involved in financial contracts.
Yes it is for the woman to tell the man.
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Wrong. prostitution has nothing to do with sleeping with someone without marriage or we could say there are thousands of Muslim men and women who are prostitutes by that logic and wrong definition.
Prostitution is the giving of sexual favours for financial reward..................hhmm ok I will change what I said because in the majority of muslim countries women are bought for marriage, financial reward is given and the sexual favour granted! Now I understand why you think prostitution is to do with marriage! ;D
Prostitution is as according to the etymology of the term.
The quran refers to women who are forced, or people who are zani.
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Cut that out.
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In fact, the way many traditional scholars describe marriage, it reminds indeed of prostitution. Sex and service for the man, money and a dignified position for the woman -- that's the deal. Some even say that if the woman refuses to have sex with the husband, he is entitled to stop providing for her.
If that's not prostitution, I don't know what it is. nope
Marriage and slave girl is different then prostitution.
1520s, "to offer to indiscriminate sexual intercourse (usually in exchange for money)," from L. prostituere "to expose to prostitution, expose publicly," from pro- "before" + statuere "cause to stand, establish" (see stature). The noun sense of "harlot" is from 1610s, from L. prostituta "prostitute," fem. of prostitutus, pp. of prostituere. The notion of "sex for hire" is not inherent in the etymology, which rather suggests one "exposed to lust" or sex "indiscriminately offered." However, this is now almost the official European term for the institution, e.g. Ger. prostituierte, Rus. prostitutka, etc. Figurative sense (of abilities, etc.) is from 1590s. The noun meaning "a woman who offers her body indiscriminately" (usually for money) is from 1610s. Of men, in reference to homosexual acts, recorded from 1886 (in form prostitution).
We have to study why a woman would be exposed to lust indiscriminately. My only understanding is that such women were raped into living such a life.
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024.004 And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after for such men are wicked transgressors;-
024.023 Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter for them is a grievous Penalty,-
Mashallah.
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prove it. How can you say non were muslim? there is a LARGE muslim population in UK so your statistics are not valid unless it takes form the population AS A WHOLE
YOU said that many lied, not me. ???It's obvious that he's referring to his past relationship... you get it now?
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Maybe this is interesting for some in regards to the original subject. peace
Portrait Emel Abidin-Algan
Faith without the Headscarf
http//www.qantara.de/files/549/58/453e3155c6f7c_Emel_Abidin-Algan.jpg
She's ugly compared to you, of course she doesn't have to cover her head.
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I agree. It is very interesting that early scholars had different views on the subject and some even said a slave woman can pray bare-breasted. But you rarely hear about that; instead you are always being told that there has always been a "scholarly consensus" on the issue, which is clearly a lie.
References!