Is a Pregnant Woman, 1 person or 2?

RA786

Someone please quote the quran and let's also add in if a child is considered part of the parental property.

I think that a child is the Parents Property, however that doesnt entierly mean a Parent can do "whatever they want with it."

In the Quran it explains how a Person's Hands, Eyes, and Tounge will bear witness against You (your soul), even though those may be your property, you will be judged on how you use them.

A Penis may be a man's Property, however he will be judged on what evil or Good (halal/Haraam) activities he does with it. yes
Same with a woman.

nsws1988

Thanks! You've seem to have put a lot of work into this.

A pregnant woman's body isn't just her body. It is the body of herself and the foetus in her womb. Therefore anything she decides to consume, she is also deciding to feed the foetus. So I agree, it is child abuse. It might seem a strong word but that's what it is in my opinion.

A Penis may be a man's Property, however he will be judged on what evil or Good (halal/Haraam) activities he does with it. yes
Same with a woman.

Women have penises? confused

FAR

Women have penises? confused

Yes they do technically have penises. Most of the development is from the same origin http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_reproductive_system#Common_development

Leyna

Salam,

My intention is not say All New Femminists because that is an ignorant Generalization. After reading into femminism, I have learned from many promenent Femminist women that there is a Difference between the Political Femminist Movement of the past and the New Sexualized Femminism that has a lot of Synomonous ideas with Satanism and the works of promenent satanists.
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I have watched many vidoes and information thus leading to my conclusion that the Current Femminism or a.k.a. "New Femminist Movment" and the Mainstream Pop-culture Mind set of today is very intune with Satanism and Satanic Nature.

Hm. I consider myself a feminist, and I certainly have no ties with satanism at all, nor does anyone I know. In general, I feel there are a lot of misconceptions flying around in regards to what feminism actually means. But this is not really the subject here, so maybe we should leave this discussion aside. I would be curious where you read this though, could you give me some of your sources?

The Pregnant Prostatue may not actually be Harming the Daughtor "physically" however, I am not only talking about Physical...I am also talking about Spiritual. There have been many writtings from Prominant Satanic Members who speak about Seeman and the Spiritual Properties. (non-physical) and the Different Energy's that gets mixed when having Sex. This knowledge can be found in many religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism etc...

I personally think she is Harming her Child when she has sex with many men (spiritually).
If Physical Harm is the Only Criteria for child abuse how about Mental and Emotional?

I understand to a certain degree what you mean. And I agree that someone who sleeps with people for money harms herself (or himself) spiritually. However, I don't really think that this woman is harming her child too.

I was also just Listing the Different ways some Mothers harm their child that they are pregnant with that is Accpetiable by Many in Society.

1)Alcohol drinking
2)Crack and Substances
3)Sex with multipul partners. etc...

Imo harming your unborn child through drug or alcohol abuse is wrong. But I don't understand where you're getting the notion from that this is "acceptable by many" since I never met anyone who condones this, quite the opposite.
confused

Also, you have said we shouldnt Judge her, however, I have yet to find the Commandment from Allah in the Torah, Bible, or Quran that says not to judge people.
So until I find that verese I think Judging is a Nessesary Method to use in calling out indecent behavior made by our fellow human brothers/Sisters.

I was not arguing from a scriptural point of view, just stating my personal opinion. I believe we have no right to judge a person unless we know their situation really well.

Things might not always be as they seem. Think of the story of Al Khidr who does some things that seem terrible and wrong at first sight, but in retrospect we learn that they made perfect sense.

RA786

Thanks! You've seem to have put a lot of work into this.

A pregnant woman's body isn't just her body. It is the body of herself and the foetus in her womb. Therefore anything she decides to consume, she is also deciding to feed the foetus. So I agree, it is child abuse. It might seem a strong word but that's what it is in my opinion.

Women have penises? confused

laugh haha well......Some DO...lol

Thanks, actually, its a really sloppy post. i did it in 10 mins yesterday before work but I am trying to tie this in from another Thread

http//www.wakeupproject.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=7687 Complex issue of Feminism.

Leyna

http//www.wakeupproject.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=7687 Complex issue of Feminism

I am pretty much on my way to bed, so I'm too tired to read all of that right now. But what is being mentioned in the first post -- young girls dressed up like Barbie dolls etc. has nothing whatsoever to do with feminism! In fact, most feminists would fiercely oppose such a thing. Sexualizing children and reducing women to their looks is certainly NOT what feminism is about.

hypno

RA786

Imo harming your unborn child through drug or alcohol abuse is wrong. But I don't understand where you're getting the notion from that this is "acceptable by many" since I never met anyone who condones this, quite the opposite.
confused

According to medical websites, there are still people who drink and do drugs while pregnant. There are still laws in some states that are willing to Prosecute these mothers, while there are still may Advocates who are willing to Protest this and feel the Government cannot interviene and that It is Ultimatley a Womans Choice what she wants to do with her body. (whether sexually, with Substance, or any type of thing)

I was not arguing from a scriptural point of view, just stating my personal opinion. I believe we have no right to judge a person unless we know their situation really well.
I disagree both Scripturally, and Personal Opinion. I agree a Full story with Evidence and Due Process is needed in order to make a Judgment...but I still think a Judgment must be made. There are some actions that do not have a reasonable excuse.

I cannot kill my child and say "hey...you shouldnt judge me because you dont know me". you knowing my economic situation, love life, and Car information is Irrelevant. The point is I killed my child..and there really may be no excuse for it. This is also case by case.
For insatnce, I dont think the Helper that was with moses "murdered" the child because he was a Serveant of Allah therefore must have had probable cause...

RA786

I am pretty much on my way to bed, so I'm too tired to read all of that right now. But what is being mentioned in the first post -- young girls dressed up like Barbie dolls etc. has nothing whatsoever to do with feminism! In fact, most feminists would fiercely oppose such a thing. Sexualizing children and reducing women to their looks is certainly NOT what feminism is about.

hypno

Salaam Leyna, I know...Thats not what I am refutting. I am not going against that fact. I know it has nothing to do with Feminism.
Maybe I didnt make things clear....if so I appologize.. ???

I fiercley oppose it too. D I know thats not femminism.

Sexualizing/Exploiting Young women by Manipulation and Decpetive Intellegence is NOT FEMMINISM, just like Strapping a Bomb to yourself and Killing innocent people while stoneing women is NOT ISLAM. thats what I am saying.. confused

Leyna

Salaam Leyna, I know...Thats not what I am refutting. I am not going against that fact. I know it has nothing to do with Feminism.
Maybe I didnt make things clear....if so I appologize.. ???

I fiercley oppose it too. I know thats not femminism.

Alhamdullilah. peace

OT ... why do you have a Kalashnikov in your avatar?

Good night. http//www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/muede/g050.gif

RA786

Salaam Leyna, and have a great night! D

the ak-47 is my favorite antuiqe Gun and is one of the greatest guns ever created. It represents Strength and Solidarity to me.
It is a Rendition of the Famous Malcom X picture, except with me instead.
http//i138.photobucket.com/albums/q270/rickrivero305/Malcolm_X.jpg
3)The symbol above the "R" is Arabic Calligraphy for "Oh Lord, Advance me in knowledge".
Malcom x was a Nation of Islam Follower who then Departed NOI and became a True Muslim (or what that ment for him). He because a Human Rights Activist and Opposed Rasism which made him a Target. He was at a time in his life where we was seeking justice and Truth, while remaing steadfast and Observant in religion.
I really admired his Political work and his religious outlook, and that is why I wanted to make a Rendition picture of him/me as my avatar. D

Peace/Salaam

Leyna

Thanks for explaining. ) I like your rendering better than the original ... nice composition and contrasts. The calligraphy is invisible due to the size though, all I can see is a little star shape.

I know who Malcolm X is! ;D