Foreign vocabulary of Quran - book
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peace all,
For study
http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/Foreign-Vocabulary-of-Quran.pdf
thanks!
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peace all,
For study
http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/Foreign-Vocabulary-of-Quran.pdf
Sorry, but I have to say my opinion I've read some pages and I found it ridiculous, one example there has made me laugh . Silly book with no specific sources.
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Is he an Arab, if so his stand might be the same as is yours.
No, he is not Arab, and by the way you know nothing about my stand . And let me keep it close to your ears "You're committing a bad translation of Quran, so be careful, your translation will mislead people" hmm
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peace all,
For study
http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/Foreign-Vocabulary-of-Quran.pdf
Thanks, Wakas, for bringing this up.
Sorry, but I have to say my opinion I've read some pages and I found it ridiculous, one example there has made me laugh . Silly book with no specific sources.
Anybody claiming to know the language and hence message, just by mere accident of birth. Please try to answer just few words from Arthur Jeffery's book. For a start prove that 951 is an Arabic word. In it's traditional meanings. Please prove, it follows any rules to make it an Arabic word. Use any LEXICON AND RULES OF ARABIC GRAMMAR. Not just by verbal claims and whims.
Peace,
Badar
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Sorry may be my previous post was in wrong thread.
"Syro-aram?ische Lesart des Koran", tells us that the Quran can be traced to a Christian lectionary written in an Aramaic-Arabic language hybrid.
Patricia Crone and Michael Cook developed a thesis that the origin of Islam was in Southern Palestine rather than in Mecca and Medina; they understand the focus on Mecca and Medina as a later Islamic origin myth as is propogated with some what differences by some authors at this site like ayman, Layth and others.
In the quest of finding the original meaninings of quran, we have changed "hur" with white grapes" did this bring other religons nearer to Islam? shall we change each and every ayat and surah which is not acceptable to Jews, Christians, etc to call them to Islam? how many converts the believers of this site have made? and how many converts has Zakir Naik or others who do not believe in altering the Quran have made? if this is the object to gain.
Yes, the influence of Aramaic on Quran should be taken seriously.
some Koran expressions could be explained by the Aramaic language, and it is thus desirable to continue research in this direction. But that is it.However Luxenberg claims
The Qur'an is not (grammatically) Arabic with Aramaic loan-words, but is composed in a jargon that mixes structural elements of two different languages.
Al-quran
We are fully aware that they say,
"A human being is teaching him!"
The tongue of the source they hint at is non-Arabic,
and this is a perfect Arabic tongue.
Surely, those who do not believe in GOD's revelations,
GOD does not guide them.
They have incurred a painful retributionTheFormer
No, he is not Arab, and by the way you know nothing about my stand . And let me keep it close to your ears "You're committing a bad translation of Quran, so be careful, your translation will mislead people"
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Anybody claiming to know the language and hence message, just by mere accident of birth. Please try to answer just few words from Arthur Jeffery's book. For a start prove that 951 is an Arabic word. In it's traditional meanings. Please prove, it follows any rules to make it an Arabic word. Use any LEXICON AND RULES OF ARABIC GRAMMAR. Not just by verbal claims and whims.
Peace,
BadarI'm not claiming to know the language, I know the language because it is my native language.
let's take a look for your word that you're claiming it is not Arabic .
The word " " came in the Quran in the surah 95, the verse 1 and here in this verse God is swearing by a kind of tree that contains a specific fruit called . So the word being in Quran means that it is an Arabic word for one reason that God sent this book written by Arabic and for Arabs. Why would God sent Quran to Arabs without contain Arabic words ?
." Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur??n in order that you may understand."
let's move to the Arabic context
the fruit in this tree which is the tree of "the Tin" one fruit in it called "" and the one who sells this kind of fruit we called it "" .
So the word is originally Arabic word .
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I'm not claiming to know the language, I know the language because it is my native language.
let's take a look for your word that you're claiming it is not Arabic .
The word " " came in the Quran in the surah 95, the verse 1 and here in this verse God is swearing by a kind of tree that contains a specific fruit called . So the word being in Quran means that it is an Arabic word for one reason that God sent this book written by Arabic and for Arabs. Why would God sent Quran to Arabs without contain Arabic words ?
." Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur?n in order that you may understand."
let's move to the Arabic context
the fruit in this tree which is the tree of "the Tin" one fruit in it called "" and the one who sells this kind of fruit we called it "" .
So the word is originally Arabic word .
Referance, please. What is three letter root for this word, from an Arabic Lexicon? Problem, we do not even try to read our own books.
Peace,
Badar
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At Page 67 the author incorrectly spells the word and then conjecturally suggests "it is possible...."
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/temp09%203.26b.gif
Say, "O Allah, You are The Absolute Sovereign of the Kingdom,
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This is used 5 times in the Grand Qur'aan. And he thought that it was a puzzle for the early Grammarians. It was revealed to Arabs who spoke Arabic. When Allah quotes them, it means Allah is not translating hebrew or any other language for Arabs and non Arabs. Allah quotes the Arabs of Saudi Arabia of that time to have said,
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/008.%20Al%20Anfaal/8.32.gif
And when they said , "O Allah! If this is reciting to people] is a Statement of Fact from You{it is said by elite Meccans of those days who refused to believe/accept Qur'aan and they used the word, how could it be considered as borrowed by Qur'aan from outside Mecca?
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Mazhar
Where is this definition of word Root? Quote the reference.
I guess to understand Quran by the root process is not so help ful at all!
however i think this is the way they do itpeace mh,
I apologise for not being clear. If you download the sample, you should see some examples of what I mean. For example
= Alif-Meem-Nun = become/feel safe/secure, state of security/safety, become quiet/tranquil in heart/mind, become free of expectation of evil or free of an object of dislike/hatred, promise/assurance of security/safety, become trustful/faithful/confident, to believe/acknowledge it, manifestation of humility/submission
The file/list will show examples of usage in al-quran (click on the link) & possible meanings of the root. It can be as detailed as we want it.
If you have any further queries, feel free to ask.
Wakas
dear Mazhar
You have a nice site in urdu over there, although doesnot has much content but is good one, specially on Kaaba and Makkah. -
Mazhar
I guess to understand Quran by the root process is not so help ful at all!
however i think this is the way they do itHow would you then understand the words of Qur'aan, if you think you need not know and understand the meanings of the Roots from where the words used in Qur'aan emanated?
dear Mazhar
You have a nice site in urdu over there, although doesnot has much content but is good one, specially on Kaaba and Makkah.It seems you did not enter the site except seeing the introducing page.
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Where is this definition of word Root? Quote the reference.
Dear Mazhar, please read page 29 of William Wright's grammar Vol 1. Furthermore, in Lane's Lexicon almost all nouns have a verbal root. Even the ones Wright calls as primitive nouns.
Peace,
Badar
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Dear Mazhar, please read page 29 of William Wright's grammar Vol 1. Furthermore, in Lane's Lexicon almost all nouns have a verbal root. Even the ones Wright calls as primitive nouns.
Peace,
Badar
Page 29 discusses forms of the verb. And from this you, it is strange, presume he is talking about Roots; "The great majority of the Arabic verbs are trilliteral.........".
Majority of the Roots are also trilliteral. Arabic Root is placment of consonants in a sequence.
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Mazhar
How would you then understand the words of Qur'aan, if you think you need not know and understand the meanings of the Roots from where the words used in Qur'aan emanated?
I said, the root process to understand Quran is not so help full! It may be a factor to understand the quran but we need to know the history, the culture, the persons of that time, other scriputures, archaeoligical evidences and so on.
We need to study the Man, Muhammad.
A believer can understand the Quran and live by it even while possessing little or no Arabic knowledge, he doesnot have to find out tens and tens of meanings for one word and then choose the one that best fits him.History is witness to many people who are proficient in the Arabic language, yet made very twisted and perverted interpretations of the Quran, all while they are accepted to be well skilled in arabic roots and all those stuffs, otherwise we would not arrived at this situaution.
The people of Makkah do you think were not experts in arabic and donot understood the roots of these words used in Quran, The disbelievers of Makkah were expert in the language of the Quran, but they did not understand many of the concepts and similitudes of the Quran. They thus rejected it as being words of a madman.
What one needs to comprehend is that understanding the Qur'an means to understand correctly what is being told in the Verses, the concepts, lessons, signs, admonitions metaphors and imagery. All of these aspects of the Quran hold true regardless [of the language used.Mazhar
It seems you did not enter the site except seeing the introducing pagedear mazhar your site does not has much content though a good one.
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Page 29 discusses forms of the verb. And from this you, it is strange, presume he is talking about Roots; "The great majority of the Arabic verbs are trilliteral.........".
Majority of the Roots are also trilliteral. Arabic Root is placment of consonants in a sequence.
This is what I said before. When referred as trilliteral root, all books are implying to verbal root. Hence, whenever Arabic grammar is taught, they use as a dye to find, root consonants, of a word. However, if you have a different definition. Please share with a reference.
Peace,
Badar
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This is what I said before. When referred as trilliteral root, all books are implying to verbal root. Hence, whenever Arabic grammar is taught, they use as a dye to find, root consonants, of a word. However, if you have a different definition. Please share with a reference.
Peace,
Badar
A verb is a word while Root which contains the semantic core is not a word. Words are formed by supplying the root with a vowel structure and/or with affixes.
