arab conspiracy against islam
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Did you know that your words are also hadeeth... do we reject what you're saying by the assumption? By the way, does that make Miss Bida or Mrs Bida? Or are we still friends?
yes of course my words are hadith, as are yours and everyone elses, but I am not saying take my words as part of religion, as part of the message, saying this is something Allah forgot or said in secret to the prophet.
Bida is something added to the religion that Allah did not give. Allah did not give Bukhari hadith nor did he sanction the prophet to give something as part of the religion that wasnt from Allah. The prophet would never have gone against Allah and would never have added to the religion something Allah did not say in Quran. That is why he said NOT to write anything from him BUT QURAN.
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I read in The Qur'an Allah taught Muhammed 'that which he did not know' or something similar to that, so whatever Muhammed was 'teaching' could only have come from Allah what Allah wanted to tell us so why would Muhammed say to do other things that are not in The Qur'an?
So all these sayings and practises of Muhammed that are not mentioned in The Qur'an cannot be authorized and taught by Allah can they?
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yes of course my words are hadith, as are yours and everyone elses, but I am not saying take my words as part of religion, as part of the message, saying this is something Allah forgot or said in secret to the prophet.
Bida is something added to the religion that Allah did not give. Allah did not give Bukhari hadith nor did he sanction the prophet to give something as part of the religion that wasnt from Allah. The prophet would never have gone against Allah and would never have added to the religion something Allah did not say in Quran. That is why he said NOT to write anything from him BUT QURAN.
Who said that someone gave the prophet in secret? Does the quran say that? Surely if not, then it would say against such a suggestion. But we all know that the prophet was the best example in regards to living the quran.
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I can't vouch for his Arabic translations, not being well versed enough but this document shows me that the quran is not lying when it states that it is a clear book. It does make a lot more sense and the silly questions hadeethists pose to quranists asking for hadeethist rituals in the quran are rendered irrelevant.
If we get down to the nitty gritty, the list of quranic guidelines is rather short but the principals are fundamental and other laws follow in an emergent manner, it is the "Theory of Everything" of living life. It reduces the quran down to what atheists say, "I don't need no damn holy book telling me to follow these rules that I know for myself". Except the only difference is that there is a God, and he is telling you to follow those obvious rules or there will be trouble. So in this way, the quran is a help file with a warning message This is a delicate system, follow these instructions, there aren't many of them or your computer will crash and burn! Which explains why so much of it is regarding hell.
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Who said that someone gave the prophet in secret? Does the quran say that? Surely if not, then it would say against such a suggestion. But we all know that the prophet was the best example in regards to living the quran.
unwritten message
secret message
the fine details of Quran
explains Quran
Quran says follow the hadith
hadith is the wisdomThese are all things I have heard said about hadith by hadithists. No this didnt come from Quran but there are clear warnings IN Quran about this and not to listen to them.
Yes the prophet was the best example OF HIS TIME, in living Quran and all those examples are IN Quran, so no need for hadith.Moderators, my reply box stopped jumping yesterday, it was bliss and I was today going to thank whoever did something and send virtual flowers and chocs. But now its again jumping all over the place brickwall
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The Qur?an (or the Reading)
The first distortion is that the Arabs contend that it is not possible to translate the Qur?an into any other language because the attempt will change the essence of its meaning.
This is patently untrue, and is the first conspiracy hatched by the Arabs to prevent the people of the world from understanding the word of God in their own languages. It also has the effect of making the Arabs the de facto keepers of the faith since all matters related to the Arabic language have to be referred to them. The inevitable result of this is that whatever they claim to be the correct translation has to be accepted as God?s truth. The net effect of this is the gradual and insidious replacement of God?s deen with practices of the invented Arab religion.
It is common knowledge that non-Arab Muslims around the globe daily recite five ritual prayers in Arabic. It is one of the idiosyncratic requirements of their Arab religion ? a requirement that is not to be found in the Qur?an. The English, French, German, Russian, Japanese, Chinese, African and other non-Arab speaking communities are told that they must ritually pray to an Arab god specifically in the Arabic language. This presupposes that God cannot understand any other language, which by itself defies logic.
The Arabs deliberately erected a language barrier to exert their influence over their religion and, by extension, over the people who practice the Arab religion. As a result, they created the Arab and Muslim culture as we know it today. They prevent the faithful from serving the Lord of the Universe by systematically isolating them from the Qur?an. Eventually, all translations of the Qur?an have to undergo their censorship before they can be circulated as legitimate translations.
This book hopes to systematically explore and destroy all these illogical Arabic illusions. We will refer to the Qur?an, armed with a healthy dose of common sense and logic. This means that anyone and everyone ? Arab and non-Arab alike ? can check and verify the arguments presented. The Qur?an can withstand any scrutiny or criticism. It is truly God?s revealed word.
The Arab conspiracy has been exposed. The followers of the invented Arab religion who do not use their common sense to discover the truth, or to question their priests, and who unashamedly call themselves ?Muslims? are the worst creatures on the face of the earth today. God has condemned them for their blind subservience to the Arabs. Their conspiracy is against the objective of the Lord of the Universe, the Creator of the seven heavens and the earth. It was through His mercy that He revealed His will to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and the other prophets. Each of them, obviously, received the revelations in his own language and, to date, mankind has never been instructed to serve God in only one particular language. The true objective of revelation has always been to make life simple for everyone so that they could all serve Him.
Serve God alone
The message from God to all His prophets is consistent. It is simple and straightforward. It is simply a sanction of universal values listing righteous deeds to be upheld by all. In simple terms, it is a master plan for a productive life.
Let us not forget that it is the Devil?s purpose and nature to interfere. God has, time and again, reminded His servants not to serve him who imposes false restrictions beyond God?s own sanctions. God?s revelation is all about this concept ? nothing more and nothing less. There are no religious institutions, no religious obligations nor ritual prayers. God did not make provision for religious pilgrimages nor for the systematic collection of money in His name. He did not command His prophets or messengers to worship Him in the ordinary sense of that word. There is no reference to religious institutions or religious obligations in His Scripture. None whatsoever. What better way for the Devil to subvert God?s system than by contaminating it!
So, how did all these practices creep into Islam? Where in the Qur?an are these practices dictated? Let us examine the Scripture to see what God has enjoined upon us.
Inherently, all the prophets, messengers, and His servants ? be they men or women ? are required to serve God through their respective individual deeds both in substance and spirit. Islam is concerned with deliberate and conscious obedience to God, not mindless automated behaviour. His message conveyed to us by His messengers simply says ?You shall not serve other than Him?. Within the framework of those words lies the truth of Islam.
We did not send any messengers before you but with the message there is no god except Me, therefore you shall serve Me. (2125)
There is no mention in the Qur?an of worship in the ordinary sense of that word or of ritual prayer be it three, four or five times a day or a week. It was but an Arab conspiracy against God and the Last Prophet which saw the introduction of religious institutions, houses of worship, ritual prayers and religious laws. For example, the Arabs have manipulated the meaning of the term ?way of life? or deen to mean ?religion?, and ?I serve? (ya?budu) to mean ?I worship?. Whilst at first glance these changes seem minute, they have had a tremendous impact on Islam. Sadly, the keepers of the faith have also perpetuated many other distortions. Among them are the Ka?aba in Mecca and the practice of mandatory pilgrimage.
God has declared the Arabs to be the staunchest disbelievers and the staunchest hypocrites. This will be demonstrated beyond all doubt by this book. The Qur?an confirms
The Arabs are staunchest in disbelief and hypocrisy, and most likely not to know the limits of what was revealed by God to His messenger, and God is Knower and Judge. (997)
Thus, the probability of Arabs being the caretakers of God?s deen is close to zero. The current status quo, however, has the Arabs as the heroes and champions of ?religion? with non-Arabs putting their blind trust in the Arabs.
pps. 7?9
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God has declared the Arabs to be the staunchest disbelievers and the staunchest hypocrites. This will be demonstrated beyond all doubt by this book. The Qur?an confirms
The Arabs are staunchest in disbelief and hypocrisy, and most likely not to know the limits of what was revealed by God to His messenger, and God is Knower and Judge. (997)
pps. 7?9
Peace,
I know that's just a quote from the book, but I'd like to reiterate that the word "a3rab" (alif ayn ra alif ba) in the great reading means "nomads", not "Arabs" as an ethnic group.
9101 From the nomads (ب around you are hypocrites, and from the people of the city.
9120 It is not for the people of the city, nor for the nomads (ب around them, that they should lag behind the messenger of the god.
Even today, the spelling of "Arabs" as an ethnic or linguistic group is quite different ayn ra ba (= minus two alifs). Did the author of the book not look at history and see that many of the traditions are not "Arab", as he claimed, and are in fact Judaic and Persian? "Blame it on the Arabs" is all too common these days.
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David, have you experimented with the idea that 3arab (ain ra ba, as it appears in 41/44, 16/103 etc) may NOT mean Arabs? Just a thought.
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David, have you experimented with the idea that 3arab (ain ra ba, as it appears in 41/44, 16/103 etc) may NOT mean Arabs? Just a thought.
Peace,
Well, it's interesting that it seems to be used a common noun, right? I was wondering if maybe "quran arabi" might mean "reading clear" or "reading mother-tongue" or something. Any links?
Thank you,
-David
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How bout 'flawless' reading?
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I think the following comments may be closer to what I'm thinking...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223073#msg223073
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223516#msg223516
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223517#msg223517
Might help explain the link between a3rab (non-city) and 3arab...
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Thanks! I'll have a read of that!
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I think the following comments may be closer to what I'm thinking...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223073#msg223073
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223516#msg223516
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599109.msg223517#msg223517
Might help explain the link between a3rab (non-city) and 3arab...
If the book is enough to guide you, why do you study BY a teacher?
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Who needs teachers? we have discussions PARTNERS? People who discuss together. Any one of us could be wrong but that's ok because we all think for ourselves. THAT'S the difference.
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Who needs teachers? we have discussions PARTNERS? People who discuss together. Any one of us could be wrong but that's ok because we all think for ourselves. THAT'S the difference.
aha and when I said the difference is a virtue before, you said that it is not ok , this is a contraduction of terms, are you ill mentally ? or maybe you are schyzo.
People who are going to discuss must first know the subject that they will discuss . Do you(all of you) know the subject that you're going to discuss ? if yes How? and what for ? if No, why ? and what for ?
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we have discussions PARTNERS
Indeed, as Moses wanted Aaron to be his partner.
2029-32 Make for me an assistant from my family; my brother Aaron. Strengthen me with him, and give him a share of my mission.
We are responsible for using our individual faculties of intellect to discern truth from falsehood, and we will return to the god all alone. May he have mercy on us all.
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aha and when I said the difference is a virtue before, you said that it is not ok , this is a contraduction of terms, are you ill mentally ? or maybe you are schyzo.
People who are going to discuss must first know the subject that they will discuss . Do you(all of you) know the subject that you're going to discuss ? if yes How? and what for ? if No, why ? and what for ?
You see reformer, for Quranists (at least those I know) it's ok to be different because the Quran is a lifelong learning process (rabbi zidnee ilman - 20/114). For you guys, you got the 'firqa najiyya' (saved sect) complex. to you, you MUST prove yourselves to be right. Hence, having ikhtilaf is not an option because if you have al-haqq, it cannot be two al-haqqs!
I don't pretend to know everything about the Quran. I learn from my reading daily. What i DO know however is you and your ulema do NOT represent the Quran. Sorry.
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Indeed, as Moses wanted Aaron to be his partner.
2029-32 Make for me an assistant from my family; my brother Aaron. Strengthen me with him, and give him a share of my mission.
We are responsible for using our individual faculties of intellect to discern truth from falsehood, and we will return to the god all alone. May he have mercy on us all.
wow, nice one David. I hadn't thought of that before.
Reformer, THATS how discussion partnerships function.