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What does God mean in verses where he mentions hadith?

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    abdalquran
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    Zulu, anti-hadith groups have existed from the beginning. Aisha Musa documents this extensively in 'hadith as scripture'.

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      zulu12
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      Such as?

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        abdalquran
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        such as the people mentioned by Shafiee in Risala who say we don't need sunnah. Shafiee was the first legist who sealed the idea that the sunnah was part of fiqh.

        Aisha Musa believes that the ahl-al-kalam were called as such because they asked for sharia based only on kalamullah/the Quran.

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          Do you mean Muhammad ibn Idris ibn al-Abbas, al-Imam al-Shafii, Abu Abd Allah al-Shafii al-Hijazi al-Qurashi al-Hashimi al-Muttalibi?

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            Muhammad ibn Idris ,yes. I don't know the rest of his names off hand.

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              Thereformer1
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              No, it shows that intelligent people get bored with people like you who claim to be able to answer questions but run round in circles trying everything and not answering anything, then come on with insults, as you normally do.

              I like this saying and it is from an ex-Quranist

              Quranists are people who realize that their house is burning, but instead of getting out of that burning house, they go & sit in the basement!

              Get out of the burning house A.S.A.P.!

              http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599400.0

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                abdalquran
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                I like this saying and it is from an ex-Quranist

                Quranists are people who realize that their house is burning, but instead of getting out of that burning house, they go & sit in the basement!

                Get out of the burning house A.S.A.P.!

                http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599400.0

                So you agree with that writer that Islam is inherently bad O Very nice job there, pal!

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                  So you agree with that writer that Islam is inherently bad O Very nice job there, pal!

                  The ignorant will understand it the way you understood it .

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                    Ayisha
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                    I like this saying and it is from an ex-Quranist

                    Quranists are people who realize that their house is burning, but instead of getting out of that burning house, they go & sit in the basement!

                    Get out of the burning house A.S.A.P.!

                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599400.0

                    The only one here sitting in the basement because their house is burning is you. Your obvious flap and panic to the point of insults because you cant answer any questions is amusing though.

                    The link you gave is an ex muslim, would you prefer no one came to islam as a convert? I think your answer is YES you would prefer that

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                      The only one here sitting in the basement because their house is burning is you. Your obvious flap and panic to the point of insults because you cant answer any questions is amusing though.

                      Try to translate my post and read it and understand it and then let's speak .

                      The link you gave is an ex muslim, would you prefer no one came to islam as a convert? I think your answer is YES you would prefer that

                      wow look you're a seer . No I love the converted people more than the people around me .

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                        Ayisha
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                        Try to translate my post and read it and understand it and then let's speak .
                        You post was in English and although it is not always good English I did manage to understand it, read it and then I spoke.

                        wow look you're a seer . No I love the converted people more than the people around me .

                        yes because they are all hungry for you to lead them on the hadith worshippers path. Sorry you're too late here, this is for people who have escaped from the grasp of hadithists

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                          You post was in English and although it is not always good English I did manage to understand it, read it and then I spoke.

                          I'm talking about my post an arabic

                          yes because they are all hungry for you to lead them on the hadith worshippers path. Sorry you're too late here, this is for people who have escaped from the grasp of hadithists

                          No, I've never taught any converted one hadith or anything else, I let them first search and look for the truth and I suggested to read and learn from schools and books . And then they can ask me . I do love him because they have wonderful stories about their conversion and I love them because God has forgiven all their deeds before Islam and they became like the baby (a new one).

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                            Ayisha
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                            I'm talking about my post an arabic
                            you seem to be confused. your post was about a burning house which you posted in English

                            I must admit you are great at the circles and confusion, not so great at actually sticking to a topic and saying anything worthwhile though.

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                              you seem to be confused. your post was about a burning house which you posted in English

                              I must admit you are great at the circles and confusion, not so great at actually sticking to a topic and saying anything worthwhile though.

                              I mean read my post in the other thread and the post was an arabic . translate the words and understand them.

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                                Ayisha
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                                I mean read my post in the other thread and the post was an arabic . translate the words and understand them.

                                ahh another circle to direct me to something neither I nor you were talking about. whatever

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                                  ahh another circle to direct me to something neither I nor you were talking about. whatever

                                  Well, as I see you have made your mind like a rock, you don't want to learn neither to listen neither to try to translate what I said in Arabic . well done .

                                  P.S being writing in english means that I have been humble with you . If I was really as you think I'll not use english with you . You didn't meet some people who they will smack you on the face because of speaking language not their own language.

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                                    Ayisha
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                                    Well, as I see you have made your mind like a rock, you don't want to learn neither to listen neither to try to translate what I said in Arabic . well done .
                                    Why give me Arabic when you know I am still learning? Why not just stay on the topic instead of flititng about to avoid answering questions?

                                    P.S being writing in english means that I have been humble with you . If I was really as you think I'll not use english with you . You didn't meet some people who they will smack you on the face because of speaking language not their own language.

                                    No I didnt mean people that ignorant. Anyone smacks me in the face for not speaking their language gets a smack in the face back

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                                      abdalquran
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                                      Why give me Arabic when you know I am still learning? Why not just stay on the topic instead of flititng about to avoid answering questions?
                                      No I didnt mean people that ignorant. Anyone smacks me in the face for not speaking their language gets a smack in the face back

                                      Ayisha, reformer uses Arabic so that people won't dare to answer him. He doesn't know that the fort he made for himself is created from paper. We got enough Arab-literate folks in here. Reformer is the archetypal Arabo-centric sunni who thinks Arabs know everything about deen. But just ask them what 'alif laam meem' means and you will see.

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                                        Ayisha, reformer uses Arabic so that people won't dare to answer him. He doesn't know that the fort he made for himself is created from paper. We got enough Arab-literate folks in here. Reformer is the archetypal Arabo-centric sunni who thinks Arabs know everything about deen. But just ask them what 'alif laam meem' means and you will see.

                                        Salam abdalquran
                                        believe me I know what reformer is ;D I know he knows nothing of Quran too, even though he may think he knows all there is to know about it. It is fun watching him do cartwheels to avoid answering a question though rotfl If I ask him what Alif, Laam, Meem means he will answer yet another question I didnt ask and off we go again rotfl

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                                          hope4
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                                          Selam all.

                                          Here is a quote I read in Aidid Safar's book (Mental Bondage).

                                          Sincere Muslims the world over must realise, the
                                          Reading teaches them to use their common sense. ?God
                                          deliberately blocks His guidance from those who defy their
                                          common sense ? (10100). The so-called religious experts
                                          are no better than any ordinary Muslims. They will not be
                                          guided unless God guides them. In His fairness God says
                                          He guides whomever He wills - men or women without
                                          injustice. A person is guided not because of his or her
                                          knowledge of the language - but by their wisdom and power
                                          of reasoning.

                                          Also let me add this one so some people on here can think before they speak, because one day we will all be humbled for what we say

                                          4911 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for
                                          they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other
                                          women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock
                                          one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the
                                          name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does
                                          not repent, then these are the transgressors.

                                          Peace

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