Asalaamu'Alaikom
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Salaam,
Basically I came to GOD Alone through having a debate, or rather an argument, with a guy on facebook who accused me of not being a 'proper' muslim due to my 'un-islamic' appearance in my profile pic. Sad I know.
Anyway, it got me thinking about certain details so I did a search on the net to see what was actually in The Qur'an and if what this guy was saying is true.
Lo and behold he was quoting The Prophet Muhammeds (Peace be upon him) hadith which I knew about when I reverted to islam as a sunni.
I was a practising sunni for a while but strayed away from islam due to alot of pressure put upon me from my sunni brothers who basically wanted me to live (except sleeping, lol) in my local Mosque & an uncomfortable meeting with some sunni extremists.
I guess, like most muslims here, I feel that The Qur'an is enough to live by God's commands & I can't say I fully trust Muhammeds hadith due to how they came about and when they were compiled and who put them together and gave their authority, because Allah never said He did!
I'm fairly new to this site and will always be seeking the truth.
There are some nice people here and it's the best site I've found promoting God alone.
Peace all.
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handshakeoh I forgot welcome
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http//gal.darkervision.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/stoning.thumbnail.jpg
That picture makes me so >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >( >(
stupid hadith following kuffir bastards
The only bastard is you. These are Shi'a not Sunnah . We don't stone anyone, we advice first then if the person doesn't accept the advice and makes the same sin , the judge or the parents of the person will decide the punishment.
and by the way who told that this photo is right, I've watched a people who are satan worshippers and they stoned a girl and telling the word that those persons are Muslims. get your facts and stop insulting people. Insult is easy.
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The only bastard is you. These are Shi'a not Sunnah . We don't stone anyone, we advice first then if the person doesn't accept the advice and makes the same sin , the judge or the parents of the person will decide the punishment.
and by the way who told that this photo is right, I've watched a people who are satan worshippers and they stoned a girl and telling the word that those persons are Muslims. get your facts and stop insulting people. Insult is easy.
Who says this photo is not right considering she is wearing the hijab, YOU, you stupid thick hadith following kuffir bastard.
Oh and if it's as you say the judge or the parents are the ones who decide the punishment for leaving Islam then what if that punishment is stonning to death, what do you have to say about that???I dont give a crap whether these are shia, sunni, wahabi, sufi are whatever stupid sect that the "people" in the photo are from becuase whatever sect they are from the are disobeying GOD in the Quran when he tels us not to divide ourselves inot sects.
Provide me with chapter and verse from the Quran where GOD is saying we should stone people to death for apostacy???
You right to insult is easy and insulting you stupid hadith following kuffir ass is made so simple by you stupid thick as pig shit post
dumb idiot
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I do recall Isa being quoted as saying, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" and "Judge not and you will not be judged".
I don't see how these words from the canonical gospels could possibly be taken for a mistranslation.
If so, then what? The Dead Sea Scrolls? Now we are all witches to be dunked in the basin, to see if we float?Or just line us up and burn us....
There is, essentially, no difference in the mindset.
Al Lah is no more compassionate than this?!How dare we...
Excuse me, please.
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Liar.
The only Liar is you . never never never never never never 100000000000....0000..0000.......0 times sunnah stoned anyone. We advise as God and the prophet told us to do the first thing is advise.
People get stoned to death all the time, and not only in countries with a Shia majority.
Really!!! ok bring to me and prove that and show me where and bring statistics about people stoned to death in sunni countries . Even the shi'a don't stone poeple today . The only persons that stone people are the worshippers of Satan and the persons that are still in the religion of Majouseya and they are living in Iraq and Iran. this lie will cost you a lot , you have accused people (1.5 billion + the other sects) , so begin counting your worst.
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Really!!! ok bring to me and prove that and show me where and bring statistics about people stoned to death in sunni countries . Even the shi'a don't stone poeple today .
Stoning is still being practiced in Iran, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, UAE, Nigeria.
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The only Liar is you . never never never never never never 100000000000....0000..0000.......0 times sunnah stoned anyone. We advise as God and the prophet told us to do the first thing is advise.
Really!!! ok bring to me and prove that and show me where and bring statistics about people stoned to death in sunni countries . Even the shi'a don't stone poeple today . The only persons that stone people are the worshippers of Satan and the persons that are still in the religion of Majouseya and they are living in Iraq and Iran. this lie will cost you a lot , you have accused people (1.5 billion + the other sects) , so begin counting your worst.
I hate to have to point this out but...
Stoning in Sudan
http//www.afrol.com/News2002/sud004_stoning.htm
Stoning in Saudi Arabia
http//www.lankatruth.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1325two-sri-lankans-will-be-stoned-to-death-in-saudi-arabia-for-adultery&catid=35local&Itemid=50
Stoning in Afghanistan
http//www.nytimes.com/1996/11/03/world/stoning-of-afghan-adulterers-some-go-to-take-part-others-just-to-watch.html?pagewanted=1 -
Also, in 2001 an Indonesian militant group, Laskar Jihad Ahlussunnah wal Jama'ah (involved in religious violence in the eastern islands) stoned a man to death because he was guilty of rape. They're Sunni.
Check this Qur'an mistranslation
242 (Hilali & Khan translation)
The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allahs Law).And the other translations
Free_Minds
The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them with one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity overtake you regarding God's system if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
Khalifa
The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD's law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.
Yusuf_Ali
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
Shakir
(As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.
Pickthal
The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment. -
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How is ?adultery? proven, before a stoning sentence is passed in the courtroom?
In states where stoning is codified in law (Iran and the Sudan,) adultery must be proven in court. According to many interpretations of Islamic Law (including the Iranian Penal Code), proving adultery is very difficult, and a guilty sentence is nearly impossible to obtain through hard evidence. Adultery punishable by stoning must be proven by the eye-witness testimony of either four just men (or three just men and two just women) or through four separate confessions by the defendant before a judge. But in fact, most stoning sentences are issued not on the basis of testimony or confession but on the judge?s ?knowledge? or ?intuition.? Article 105 of the Islamic Penal code of Iran allows a single judge to rule according to his personal opinion instead of hard evidence. As a result, most if not all adultery cases are unfairly tried.
How is stoning carried out?
The Islamic Penal Code of Iran is very specific regarding the details of how stoning should be executed. Article 102 states that men shall be buried up to their waists and women up to their breasts for the execution. Article 104 states, referring to the penalty for adultery, that the stones used should ?not be large enough to kill the person by one or two strikes; nor should they be so small that they could not be defined as stones (pebbles.)?. In some cases, if a victim can escape from the ditch during the stoning, they will be freed. However, because women are buried up to their breasts and men only at their waists, women will have a smaller chance of escaping than men.
What is the relationship between stoning and women?s rights?
Women are far more likely to become victims of stoning. For example, of the ten cases of individuals awaiting punishment by stoning in Iran, nine are women. Even though there is no article in law that mandates punishment by stoning exclusively for women, misogynist and discriminatory laws in the Iranian Penal Code, particularly Family Law, make women far more likely than men to be found guilty of ?adultery?.
In the Iranian Penal Code, a married woman has no right to divorce, a privilege which is reserved for the husband. Women have no custody rights of their children after age seven; as a result, women who can obtain a divorce by proving their husbands are either abusive or an addict, choose not to do so fearing the loss of their children. A man can marry up to four wives simultaneously, and may establish a sexual relationship with any other single woman through a temporary marriage without the requirements of marriage registration, ceremony, or obligation to any possible child that may result. In addition, a woman is legally obliged to submit to her husband?s sexual demands and do her best to satisfy him sexually. Many similar discriminatory laws and regulations exist in other countries and communities where stoning is still practiced.
Hence if a man is sexually unsatisfied or in an unhappy relationship, he has many avenues open to him to dissolve the marriage and/or satisfy his sexual needs in a temporary ?marriage?. However, these legal options are denied to women, and a woman seeking alternative intimate relationships is, in the eyes of the law, ?committing adultery?.
http//www.stop-stoning.org/faq_stoning
Somali woman stoned for adultery
20-year-old woman divorcee accused of committing adultery in Somalia has been stoned to death by Islamists in front of a crowd of about 200 people.
A judge working for the militant group al-Shabab said she had had an affair with an unmarried 29-year-old man.
He said she gave birth to a still-born baby and was found guilty of adultery. Her boyfriend was given 100 lashes.
It is thought to be the second time a woman has been stoned to death for adultery by al-Shabab.
The group controls large swathes of southern Somalia where they have imposed a strict interpretation of Islamic law which has been unpopular with many Somalis.
'Lenient'
According to reports from a small village near the town of Wajid, 250 miles (400km) north-west of the capital, Mogadishu, the woman was taken to the public grounds where she was buried up to her waist.
She was then stoned to death in front of the crowds on Tuesday afternoon.
The judge, Sheikh Ibrahim Abdirahman, said her unmarried boyfriend was given 100 lashes at the same venue.
Under al-Shabab's interpretation of Sharia law, anyone who has ever been married - even a divorcee - who has an affair is liable to be found guilty of adultery, punishable by stoning to death.
An unmarried person who has sex before marriage is liable to be given 100 lashes.
BBC East Africa correspondent Will Ross says the stoning is at least the fourth for adultery in Somalia over the last year.
Earlier this month, a man was stoned to death for adultery in the port town of Merka, south of Mogadishu.
His pregnant girlfriend was spared, until she gives birth.
A girl was stoned to death for adultery in the southern town of Kismayo last year. Human rights groups said she was 13 years old and had been raped, but the Islamists said she was older and had been married.
Last month, two men were stoned to death in Merka after being accused of spying.
President Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, a moderate Islamist, was sworn in as president after UN-brokered peace talks in January.
Although he says he also wants to implement Sharia, al-Shabab says his version of Islamic law would be too lenient.
The country has not had a functioning national government for 18 years.
http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8366197.stm
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Stoning is still being practiced in Iran, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, UAE, Nigeria.
Yes, and it is the right thing for the "Al-Mohassan" . I hope my country do this thing too.