Quran vs quranists
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peace
Hikmah literally means wisdom, but it means here the knowledge, and the understanding of the Qur??n, and the Sunnah and one?s ability to speak and act in the correct and right way.
How do you translate this word "quranists" ? how do you interpret it ?
and why this translation said that it is sunnah
I have researched the word hikmah before and came to the conclusion that it means wisdom. Imho it does not make sense to translate it as sunnah / hadith.
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17/39 These (referring to 17/23-3 are among al-hikmah, which thy Lord has revealed to thee. Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.
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Salam all,
This is an easy one
The book by itself can either guide or misguide as per 226
Then as a prophete and messenger, he should have by default the "hikma", the thing that makes you "guided". Anyone can get this "hikma" by Allah's will as per 2269Peace
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Thereformer1,
thanks for the verses except you have one problem why does "hikma = sunnah hadith" Shafi was the first to assert such a claim.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8803.0 look at this hadith, telling you the wisdom is the Quran not hadith, isnt that a contradiction in fiqh?
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I did a root search for / ha-ka-ma and came across several verses that use the word / hekma.
I can see that -- if you're intent on doing so -- you might interpret hekma as sunna in particular verses where it's used in conjunction with Mohammed. However, the word is used throughout the Qur'an, and in some verses it would not make any sense at all to translate it as hadith or sunna of Muhammad.
Or do they envy mankind for what Allah hath given them of his bounty? but We had already given the people of Abraham the Book and Wisdom, and conferred upon them a great kingdom.
Am yahsudoona alnnasaAAala ma atahumu Allahu min fadlihifaqad atayna ala ibraheema alkitabawaalhikmata waataynahum mulkan AAatheeman
"And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel
WayuAAallimuhu alkitaba waalhikmatawaalttawrata waal-injeela
By Allah's will they routed them; and David slew Goliath; and Allah gave him power and wisdom and taught him whatever (else) He willed. And did not Allah Check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief But Allah is full of bounty to all the worlds.
Fahazamoohum bi-ithni Allahiwaqatala dawoodu jaloota waatahu Allahualmulka waalhikmata waAAallamahu mimma yashaowalawla dafAAu Allahi alnnasa baAAdahumbibaAAdin lafasadati al-ardu walakinna Allahathoo fadlin AAala alAAalameena
We strengthened his kingdom, and gave him wisdom and sound judgment in speech and decision.
Washadadna mulkahu waataynahualhikmata wafasla alkhitabi
"This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom."
Thalika natloohu AAalayka mina al-ayatiwaalththikri alhakeemi
Then will Allah say "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said 'This is nothing but evident
Ith qala Allahu yaAAeesa ibna maryama othkur niAAmatee AAalaykawaAAala walidatika ith ayyadtuka biroohialqudusi tukallimu alnnasa fee almahdi wakahlanwa-ith AAallamtuka alkitaba waalhikmatawaalttawrata waal-injeela wa-ithtakhluqu mina altteeni kahay-ati alttayribi-ithnee fatanfukhu feeha fatakoonu tayranbi-ithnee watubri-o al-akmaha waal-abrasabi-ithnee wa-ith tukhriju almawta bi-ithneewa-ith kafaftu banee isra-eela AAanka ithji/tahum bialbayyinati faqala allatheenakafaroo minhum in hatha illa sihrun mubeenun
Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.magic.'
OdAAu ila sabeeli rabbika bialhikmatiwaalmawAAithati alhasanati wajadilhumbiallatee hiya ahsanu inna rabbaka huwa aAAlamubiman dalla AAan sabeelihi wahuwa aAAlamu bialmuhtadeena
Mature wisdom; but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.
Hikmatun balighatun famatughnee alnnuthuru
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None of the planets & birds follow the conjecture/opinions of any scholars in their salat so why should the foremost creation of Allah?
The planets and birds " " means " they glorified God" . Their salat is different from us and they are supposed just to glorify God because they are without spirits (the soul) .
P.S Off-Topic . Answer the questions or tell me your opinion about the word in the topic as I highlighted that it is the subject .
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peace
I have researched the word hikmah before and came to the conclusion that it means wisdom. Imho it does not make sense to translate it as sunnah / hadith.Ok, I'll use your word wisdom and tell me , is wisdom just words ? If Yes how? and what for ? if No why ? and what for ?
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17/39 These (referring to 17/23-3 are among al-hikmah, which thy Lord has revealed to thee. Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.
ah you didn't tell me are they (referring to 17/23-3 deeds or not ? and how he will perform them ?
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Wisdom is a deep understanding of people, things, events or situations, resulting in the ability to choose or act to consistently produce the optimum results with a minimum of time and energy. Wisdom is the ability to optimally (effectively and efficiently) apply perceptions and knowledge and so produce the desired results. Wisdom is comprehension of what is true or right coupled with optimum judgment as to action. Synonyms include sagacity, discernment, or insight. Wisdom often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions" so that one's principles, reason and knowledge prevail to determine one's actions.
One with Wisdom, is WISE
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Salam all,
This is an easy one
The book by itself can either guide or misguide as per 226- Verily, All?h is not ashamed to set forth a parable even of a mosquito or so much more when it is bigger (or less when it is smaller) than it. And as for those who believe, they know that it is the Truth from their Lord, but as for those who disbelieve, they say "What did All?h intend by this parable?" By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-F?siq?n (the rebellious, disobedient to All?h).
well, this an example from God, the believers will understand the example . The non believers and the hypocrites they will not and asking its meanings .
Then as a prophete and messenger, he should have by default the "hikma", the thing that makes you "guided". Anyone can get this "hikma" by Allah's will as per 2269
Peace- He grants Hikmah to whom He pleases, and he, to whom Hikmah is granted, is indeed granted abundant good. But none remember (will receive admonition) except men of understanding.
Can you please me with any interpretation and comprehension of the verse from your side ?
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Thereformer1,
thanks for the verses except you have one problem why does "hikma = sunnah hadith" Shafi was the first to assert such a claim.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8803.0 look at this hadith, telling you the wisdom is the Quran not hadith, isnt that a contradiction in fiqh?I have never read the claims of Sahfi and I've searched for the verse myself then I looked for it in some interpretation from some old and new scholars and as I said I was shocked because I found the same result and it is that Hikma is sunnah which by definition in hadith .
The word "HIKMA" in arabic has a lot of meanings other than wisdom . So think for the link and I hoped the best for you . Now it's up to you to follow what God said or what Satan said .
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- Verily, All?h is not ashamed to set forth a parable even of a mosquito or so much more when it is bigger (or less when it is smaller) than it. And as for those who believe, they know that it is the Truth from their Lord, but as for those who disbelieve, they say "What did All?h intend by this parable?" By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-F?siq?n (the rebellious, disobedient to All?h).
well, this an example from God, the believers will understand the example . The non believers and the hypocrites they will not and asking its meanings .
I understand that in this verse He is saying people like YOU have to use hadith to understand the parable. This is not a good example for promoting hadith.- He grants Hikmah to whom He pleases, and he, to whom Hikmah is granted, is indeed granted abundant good. But none remember (will receive admonition) except men of understanding.
Can you please me with any interpretation and comprehension of the verse from your side ?
he grants some with wisdom and some not, those that are granted wisdom will have abundant good and those that are not granted wisdom will be forever looking fo meanings in other books to explain.
side note I have a complaint that in your original post you have added words to Gods Book that were not there in the original Arabic, and you should know that.
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I have never read the claims of Sahfi and I've searched for the verse myself then I looked for it in some interpretation from some old and new scholars and as I said I was shocked because I found the same result and it is that Hikma is sunnah which by definition in hadith .
The word "HIKMA" in arabic has a lot of meanings other than wisdom . So think for the link and I hoped the best for you . Now it's up to you to follow what God said or what Satan said .
As has already been pointed out Allah gave the wisdom (Hikma) to Jesus and many other prophets, that is NOT the sunnah of Muhammed but is the wisdom given by Allah. Your logic says Allah gave the sunnah of Muhammed to Jesus which is not true
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I have never read the claims of Sahfi and I've searched for the verse myself then I looked for it in some interpretation from some old and new scholars and as I said I was shocked because I found the same result and it is that Hikma is sunnah which by definition in hadith .
The word "HIKMA" in arabic has a lot of meanings other than wisdom . So think for the link and I hoped the best for you . Now it's up to you to follow what God said or what Satan said .
see above, Wisdom has a lot of meanings in English too. Seems you are not sure what the English word Wisdom actually means. It does not mean sunnah of muhammed and if you need to to apply to sunnah of anything then its the sunnah of Allah.
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I did a root search for / ha-ka-ma and came across several verses that use the word / hekma.
I can see that -- if you're intent on doing so -- you might interpret hekma as sunna in particular verses where it's used in conjunction with Mohammed. However, the word is used throughout the Qur'an, and in some verses it would not make any sense at all to translate it as hadith or sunna of Muhammad.
Thank you so much for your research, that shows that you want to understand .
ha-ka-ma= Hakama which means a person who is allowed to judge because of a specific criteria of justice in his heart or people say him as juste man .
we say in arabic " " means "this person is Hakim" the word Hakim means two things that this person wisdom or this person knows how to judge because of some qualities of wisdom in his judgement .
So basically this word never can't be juste words alone, it is deeds and reports .
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I've searched for the verse myself then I looked for it in some interpretation from some old and new scholars and as I said I was shocked because I found the same result and it is that Hikma is sunnah which by definition in hadith .
But there are verses that don't make sense if you replace "hikma" with "Muhammad's sunna / hadith". I will do that in some ayat below in order to illustrate what I mean.
Or do they envy mankind for what Allah hath given them of his bounty? but We had already given the people of Abraham the Book and Muhammad's sunna, and conferred upon them a great kingdom.
"And Allah will teach him (Jesus) the Book and Muhammad's sunna, the Law and the Gospel
By Allah's will they routed them; and David slew Goliath; and Allah gave him power and Muhammad's sunna and taught him whatever (else) He willed.
We strengthened his kingdom, and gave him (David) Muhammad's sunna and sound judgment in speech and decision.
"This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Muhammad's sunna."
Then will Allah say "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Muhammad's sunna, the Law and the Gospel and behold! ...
Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with Muhammad's sunna and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.magic.'
Mature Muhammad's sunna; but (the preaching of) Warners profits them not.
How did you came up with your conclusion (that hekma = sunna / hadith) when you thought about the following verses? confused
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Wisdom is a deep understanding of people, things, events or situations, resulting in the ability to choose or act to consistently produce the optimum results with a minimum of time and energy. Wisdom is the ability to optimally (effectively and efficiently) apply perceptions and knowledge and so produce the desired results. Wisdom is comprehension of what is true or right coupled with optimum judgment as to action. Synonyms include sagacity, discernment, or insight. Wisdom often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions" so that one's principles, reason and knowledge prevail to determine one's actions.
One with Wisdom, is WISE
We're talking about wisdom from God and it is always behind the word " the book=Quran" . And it came equal to the book and the Gospel and the Torah . and It is for all prophets . As we know Ibrahim has sunnah, Mussa has sunnah too, Aissa has sunnah as well, and the list is too long , this is the meaning of wisdom in Quran , there other parts in Quran where it stated that wisdom is just wisdom. But when it came equal to his book, sorry it means something else .
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ha-ka-ma= Hakama which means a person who is allowed to judge because of a specific criteria of justice in his heart or people say him as juste man .
we say in arabic " " means "this person is Hakim" the word Hakim means two things that this person wisdom or this person knows how to judge because of some qualities of wisdom in his judgement .
I know what it means. Doing a root search implies that you look up the various meanings.
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But there are verses that don't make sense if you replace "hikma" with "Muhammad's sunna / hadith". I will do that in some ayat below in order to illustrate what I mean.
Hikma means everything that prophet did and said(every prophet has his own sunnah), whether it is Hadith or act, so it is wisdom. or if you're not agree with me ? please prove that wisdom means wisdom ? and what is wisdom for you ?
and why it is behind the book of Allah when the verses are about the prophet ?How did you came up with your conclusion (that hekma = sunna / hadith) when you thought about the following verses? confused
Look, I've searched for all the words in Quran that mentioned "HIKMA" and I found that the verses that speaks about the prophet always the HIKMA came behind the book of Allah, and in some verses equal to the Gospel and the Torah. And is a verse, it came alone and the verse was about the prophet .
If you look careful about the verse that God metioned a prophet with HIKMA, you'll find that it is never came behind his message (of any prophet) and God in thoses verses was talking about another type of HIKMA not the same one that has been mentioned in the verses that speak about the prophet Muhammed peace be upon him .